UK Gets First "Sharia Controlled Zone".

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My drinking doesn't affect anyone I assure you, yes I can handle it very well and yes some would say that at 6ft 2 and about 17 stone I am a 'big boy'.

'All Iranians are like Egyptians', why would I think that?
Do you think that I am that moronic that I can't differentiate North African and Middle Eastern people just because they are 'brown'?
And I was talking about Ancient Egypt.

You sir said that Ancient Egyptian beer was different from the beer I drink?
How do you know?
Sure, probably tasted slightly different.
But it was brewed for the same reasons - to be enjoyed recreationally - and just where is the problem with that?

Oh, and just for information, I have some good Iranian friends.
One fled Iran when Khomeni came to power, he was quite young and very passionate and idealistic.
He eventually settled on the council estate in North East England where I lived.
He loves a drink and is great company and we developed mutual respect and a great friendship.
We are still friends 25 years or so later and meet up every now and then.

My other Iranian friends own a kebeb shop next to a pub I used to have.
They are practising Muslims but fled the current regime due to their involvement with the democracy movement in Iran.
They are cracking people and we frequently meet for coffee and I have been to some family celebrations.

My last post for a while..

A little extra for my last post but other things too.

For those that wish both religion and laws to mix lets have a quick look, countries who would be classed as Muslim extreme are often the most corrupt and people abusing , look at Pakistan, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Somalia etc etc.
These countries are totally controlled by deep rooted BUT visible corruption, money talks and the key term there is visible..

Don't be stupid, pretty much every country is fuelled by corruption but place like the UK and the States choose to hide it behind closed doors, there's less civil rights abuses but trust me, the economy is as crooked as a storks leg.

What hurts are those that claim their country is good to the core, they believe their own politicians don't lie to them, they unite around believing they are the best, sorry folks but its all a sham. Our economy here in the UK is in tatters, our government has sold us out behind closed doors. The same is true of America, the people in power are stripping you clean while giving ego boosting speeches.

Don't you be daft enough to believe your leaders tell you the truth, they tell you what you want to hear and then drop massive bombshells on you to deal with. Neither the UK or the US should be in other countries, especially when its built on a lie and MONEY.

Oh, and don't think the money will filter down to you ordinary people, it won't...

What has this to do with Muslim Extremists, well basically at least they look you in the face and tell you they are going to f*** you over, and they will, every chance they get...

How exactly are they going to enforce these areas? With violence??? Will they will then feel themselves felt by the long arm of the proper law of this country? I would think that this would be unlikely - do you really think that there would be any witnesses coming forward to aid the police?

Originally posted by Travlla

Originally posted by Samuelis
this thread was just posted to an Australian website,

Well done racist's in this thread... now you have painted us all in a bad light.

While I am in no way implying that ATS is a racist website, I am disgusted at the comments made by what seemed to be the majority of the users were left for the rest of the world to see.

tadpoll.org...

edit on 10-7-2011 by Samuelis because: (no reason given)

A bad light to all 9 members of you funny lil site

nice way to advertise mate

here's my reply to your crapola over there,don't worry about spamming me either i left a false email addy

Why the hell is my comment racist ? If your going to immigrate to a country wouldn’t you look into it’s laws and culture first? if you don’t i believe you are a moron,whatever race color or religion you are, you sir seem to have an issue with freedom of speech,

posted on 22-5-2011 @ 23:30 this post Who cares what those westboro nutters think of us,plenty of left wing nut jobs in Oz who say bad things about the US,it goes both ways,don't judge a whole country by a few nutters,


you wrote this yourself on another thread. Doesn't the same apply in this scenario?

Don't let a few bad egg's ruin the whole salad my lost buddy.

Since when did get all gung ho about muslims? A bad experience recently? and no other radical muslim posts on your profile. Or is it just the Op's non story was so compelling? what with the news story link and all.

OMG what's actually happening over there nowadays?

I'm a muslim and i'm shocked to see this, to me you're granting the extremist to apply the law to everyone which they shouldn't. Sharia law should only applies to muslim and that's what practiced here.

We respect other religions and dont try to impose ours onto them because it's blatantly rude and even the tenets of islam state that you should respect other religions and their culture. People like this are the ones that gives islam a bad name.

A while back 1 of my online friend from europe told me that they are not allowed to wear cross on chain publicly because it might offend the islamic community there. I'm thinking that it might be a fluke or something and just dont take it seriously.

But seeing this, i'm confirmed that you guys are populated by islamic extremist and the bad thing was you're actually complying to their demands. Extremist are bad news, like in the post. Not respecting others while they are the foreigner there while their own religion actually told them to tolerate and respect the religion,believes and culture of their neighbors.

To me if they are going to impose those zones, it should only applies to muslim. It's like they are trying to make their own country/culture in that area.

I lived in a country that have 4 major religions and 3 major race with islam as the main. The government is fast to clamp down any extremist that try to cause dissents through religion wise since it's really easy to do that. Shop sells alcohol but muslims are the one prohibited to buy it and i don't mind seeing someone drinking alcohol or even sitting next to him out of respect for his believes and cultures because if you don't like it then don't sit in a cafe that serves alcohol. it's as easy as that.

I wonder why the people here have those kind of tolerance to other religions vice versa but it's different over there?
Must be those middle east people, they are usually hot headed, rude and always looking for a fight instead of a peaceful solution.

Originally posted by emptyOmind
personally, i don't see what's wrong with this. i mean yeah, i drink beer, i go to concerts, etc. but why do i have to do it in a muslim area? in bangkok there are muslim areas everywhere just like this, any muslim owned apartments for example and even some whole neighborhoods. so basically i just stay out if i plan on doing anything like that. why can't muslims and everyone else get what they want so that everyone's happy? what's so wrong about that?

The problem is that creating divides does not help the situation, If I were to go to Somalia, I'd obey their laws or expect to get punished, its their country and I have to abide by them BUT if you look at some of these countries they have 2 maybe 3 religions and what you are seeing in these places is that the extremists are slowly but surely wiping out these other religions.

This leads to my 2nd point, having or providing Muslim, White, Black blah blah only area's is a recipe for disaster, its returning to segregation (self imposed tho) and denying innocent people the right to walk freely in their own tax paid land. Her near where I live we have Southall, its a mainly Asian area BUT I've walked through there many times and never had a bit of hassle. People will often stick together by belief or race but to make those a no go area is insane, no one deserves to OWN an area, those trying to should be punished.

By making or giving area's on a no go status is not only unlawful but it creates hatred on both sides and you really have to side with the person just wanting to walk freely and without harm in their own country, be they born here or not, if you are British then this IS Britain, not Somlia, Not Pakistan, its the UK...

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Sure the western government/systems are far from perfect, but in my opinion the root cause of all the problem is creeping socialism and extreme cross wind from the left trying to accommodate all manner of disfunction.

f@#k the government, and certainly f@#k other governments.
Declare UDI (unilateral declaration of independence)

Originally posted by spolvil
How exactly are they going to enforce these areas? With violence??? Will they will then feel themselves felt by the long arm of the proper law of this country? I would think that this would be unlikely - do you really think that there would be any witnesses coming forward to aid the police?

Yes by violence and no one will come forward, it will be a lawless area..

Originally posted by rizas
OMG what's actually happening over there nowadays?

I'm a muslim and i'm shocked to see this, to me you're granting the extremist to apply the law to everyone which they shouldn't. Sharia law should only applies to muslim and that's what practiced here.

We respect other religions and dont try to impose ours onto them because it's blatantly rude and even the tenets of islam state that you should respect other religions and their culture. People like this are the ones that gives islam a bad name.

Yes they are but I have to disagree with any idea of Sharia law being introduced and must say that as an ordinary Muslim I don't see why you need Sharia law, its not a law created from the book, its a man made law that favours men, the laws here favour men, women and children...

Also, the same people wishing to bring Sharia want it to REPLACE, yes replace the laws here..

Don't believe me, the clerics shout it all the time....

I'm sorry, Sharia law is out there to be practised by those that want it, its a mere plane ride away, if those that feel so strongly about it then go to it happily.

Don't however feel its the right to impose it on me...

I'd be happy if all religion was removed...

I urge ordinary peace loving lawful Muslims to denounce Sharia law and to get on to the streets and make you voice heard loud and proud distancing yourself from the extremists...It would help..All it needs is a backbone..

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As I have already said, the article as posted in the OP and as discussed throughout the thread, is misleading (deliberately) the reader. There is no official sanction for this Sharia zone if any kind. Those who attempt to enforce such a state of affairs will be arrested for breaching peoples human rights at least, and at worst murder and assault , should things get to that unfortunate stage.

The fact is that there will never be official support, or even unofficial government support for such a scheme. The paper which printed this story with such an inflamatory heading, have a habit of stiring up race hate, because the paper is staffed by , owned by , and run by bigoted scum, who insult the memory of the British men who fought and died to defeat the Nazis in WW2, by bringing a new fascism to Britain. Personaly I hope the entire employee list of the paper gets herpes and dies.

Originally posted by rom12345
reply to post by Mclaneinc

 

Sure the western government/systems are far from perfect, but in my opinion the root cause of all the problem is creeping socialism and extreme cross wind from the left trying to accommodate all manner of disfunction.

f@#k the government, and certainly f@#k other governments.
Declare UDI (unilateral declaration of independence)

edit on 11-7-2011 by rom12345 because: (no reason given)

I agree, here in the UK the governments opened our doors to everyone and it was done deliberately, instead of picking people because of usefulness to the UK, those that could look after themselves and only allowing the people who had provable reasons to come here we just welcomed everyone.

Now we have many who have imported their dysfunctional ways here, crime rates are higher, the social security system is barely hanging on because many who come here do not work, ever and we support their 10 kids, housing here is a mess and so on and so forth.

It was the wrong thing to do and done by our government deliberately as we have found out.

Yes the dysfunctional need to be removed / treated, we need to keep the identity of who we are and welcome people to JOIN it.

I see nothing but growing chaos here in the UK....Governments must be made accountable for these mistakes.

Originally posted by emptyOmind
personally, i don't see what's wrong with this. i mean yeah, i drink beer, i go to concerts, etc. but why do i have to do it in a muslim area? in bangkok there are muslim areas everywhere just like this, any muslim owned apartments for example and even some whole neighborhoods. so basically i just stay out if i plan on doing anything like that. why can't muslims and everyone else get what they want so that everyone's happy? what's so wrong about that?

And here we have the "most ignorant reply of the thread" winner. Advocating the politics of appeasment of evil, the same which caused WW2. The PC folks claimed immigrant muslims would never want to impose sharia law in Europe. Now it suddenly changed to, "yeah they want, but whats wrong with that"? Really??

Let me paraphrase you:

Personally, i don't see what's wrong with this. i mean yeah, i like jews, i go to synagogues, etc. but why do i have to do it in a nazi area? in berlin there are nazi areas everywhere just like this, any nazi owned apartments for example and even some whole neighborhoods. so basically i just stay out if i plan on doing anything that involve jews. why can't nazis and everyone else get what they want so that everyone's happy? what's so wrong about that?

No. people who advocate things which are against basic human rights, such as muslims wanting sharia law, should NEVER get what they want. Period. I would prefer full scale civil war before any areas in Europe becoming ruled by any aspects of sharia law.

Originally posted by ALOSTSOUL


Ok.

The police and government route is the likely option but they have had years to curb this problem and have done almost nothing. It is getting better though.

I assure you i'm not trying to incite hate, as I said in a previous posted I hold no hate in the heart.

ALS

See, a little detail would help us understand your perspective.

- What hasn't the Police and Government done which you would like to be done - "to make what better"?

- What other option is there other than the government and police?

Originally posted by Australiana
The muslims are demanding, through this sharia law, that they want a different type of banking system for muslims to implement a different set of laws here for them. This law includes not paying interest like the rest of us have to!

Or how about let them set up their Sharia banking system and then, under local/national equalities laws, sue or prosecute them if they refuse to open accounts and extend credit to non-Muslims?

Prohibition against usury is the only good thing about Sharia, utilise it!

Someone are disgusted with other slave beliefs then their own system.

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A neighbour is invited to a community b-b-q. The neighbour arrives and takes himself a seat at the function. He then begins to verbally attack the host about his ideals and principles. He demands that the food be changed to something more apropriate that he can eat, and cooked in a certain way. He then demands that the female guests at the bbq stop dressing like 'whores' and put on something more suitable. He then tells you he is offended by the principles you and your guests are operating this bbq under. From this point on, all he does is comment on how everything at the bbq offends his ideals, and make demands that the community bbq accommodate his way of life. Small wonder that elements of the bbq are slightly bemused about who this invited guest thinks he is making all these demands. Some just nod in agreement at everything he says and say, 'Yes yes, we're offensive. We must change ourselves to accommadate this guest we have invited to our bbq'. Some remain indifferent and watch the ambience and decor of the party change around them without ever recognising it. Some are so outraged at the arrogance of the guest that they want to kill him. Some just want the guy running the bbq to take the guest to one side, remind him that he is a GUEST, and if he finds the party and everything it stands for as so offensive, there are plenty of other bbq's in other neighbourhoods that are more apropriate to his way of life.
I'm afraid 'neighbourhood' is the best analogy I could think of for 'country'.
If I was invited to the kind of bbq the guest wants to be a part of, (which I wouldn't be, it would be demanded,) and chose to act in a similar way, it wouldn't be too long be for I had my head, or a hand cut off, a probably stoned for offending the host.

Originally posted by Zamini
reply to post by fatpastyhead

 

Beer is my religion. I don't care if you are black, white, yellow silver or orange. I don't care if you are a muslim, a christian or a robocop. You ask me to step away from my beer and I will unleash fury upon you

And you don't find ANYTHING wrong with that?

You've been duped by alcohol. Ethanol is indeed a conspiracy.

By the way, another fear mongering thread against Muslims. How expected. Notice how the original article is gone? Even a tabloid couldn't verify the story

I am not alcohol dependant. It was just a bit of light hearted humour. I do however enjoy a nice cold beer at the end of a long days work and especially when it is a hot day. That is my choice made with my life and I love it. The only thing I have been duped by is the weather over here n the UK.

Originally posted by Mclaneinc

Originally posted by rizas

Also, the same people wishing to bring Sharia want it to REPLACE, yes replace the laws here..

Don't believe me, the clerics shout it all the time....

Wow i cant believe the hold they have over there. Care to link me to any news or anything regarding this, since being at the other side of the world this kind of issue don't really get much publicity here and i'm the type that like to listen to both sides.

Over here it applies only to certain areas like marriage and etc. Criminal or others will use the conventional judicial system since it will apply to all race. The opposition party is the one that uses sharia law as their slogan for political campaign (Saying that they want to impose it to everyone) and the only supporters that they get are the poorly educated or radical type of people. luckily they are a minority party.

Because the law is human made, here it will be updated by the approval of all the committee appointed by the government to make it practical and actually applies to current environment. The problem is it differs from different country and some don't even bother to update it.

But i agree that it's the extremist/fanatics/hot-head that gives any culture, religion or race a bad name. They are the type that will twist the law or facts to suit their needs.

Hey thanks for the thread goes to the OP. Cheers.

First up, in the UK the public consumption of alcohol is a traditional past-time. We have done it like for centuries. Only with the liberal control freaks in government (local and central) representing the LibLabCon party have these draconian alcohol-free zones in urban centres been introduced. In small towns and suburbs it is still common and legal to see locals having a chat on the footpath with beers in hand.

And so they should be allowed to continue doing just that. My family, my parents and their parents fought to preserve those very freedoms. We paid with blood and death. Our cities (like Liverpool) still show the scars of those struggles. English people are saddened by those that want to overturn our way of life. Drinking is just one example. Another is how we like our women to look like: attractive. To us that means they are free to dress how they want... legs and boobs and all if that's how they want to dress. Our people gave their lives to defend that freedom.

Secondly, and I have to be subtle in how I say this... just what are good patriots doing to actually stop the Islamification of our country? We fought for peace against Germany. Will we fight for England? How?

Thanks for the rant.

Originally posted by NadaCambia
And am I supposed to be physically scared or in awe of soldiers? Because most soldiers I know are skag-head chavs who dropped out of school, spent a few years on the dole and then wanted to go to the Middle East to shoot "rag-heads". Unless we're talking special units I'm not too intimidated by your lads in general, to be frank.

I was not going to contribute to this thread ... until I read this. I have something to say to YOU now,NadaCamia ..... HOW DARE YOU! HOW BLOODY DARE YOU. We lost a Loved one fighting in A'stan ... he was a better person than you could ever aspire to be ... I want to call you all the names under the sun right now, but you know what? YOU ARE NOT WORTH IT. and I do not want to lower myself to your extremely LOW level. I am better than that.

Don't bother responding to me ..... I have said what I wanted to say, but NOT what I think of you ...but they do say though, that( with regards to your 'skagehead chavs' comment,) that it 'Takes one to know one'.