The Palestinian Propaganda, and the Truth of how Israelies BELONG in Israel.

The British (with US help)are the ones to blame for Israel.

They set it up as a way to get rid if Jewish holocaust survivors.

Other countries like France went along with it as they did not want large numbers of holocaust survivors in there country ether.

Most Arabs living in Israel prefer Israel over the Arab states that surround Israel.

The Druze and Bedouin Arabs don't want a Palestinian state.

Splitting off a Palestinian state will NOT stop conflict in the Palestinian state.
It will NOT stop conflict in Israel.

It will increase conflict in the area.

The Palestinians are the suckers fighting a war for other Arab states and Iran
www.sullivan-county.com...

With a independent Palestinian state with open borders to other Arab state you will have a massive arms buildup in Palestinian till the Palestinians attack Israel in a full blown war.

Then if the Palestinians win you will have the Samson option go into effect. And israel has 400 nuclear weapons.
en.wikipedia.org...

Any arab county that supplied arms fighter or support to a independent Palestinian state will be on the receiving end.

And you think gas prices are high now what would happen if the whole middle east was a radioactive waste land.

reply to post by ANNED

The British (with US help)are the ones to blame for Israel.
They set it up as a way to get rid if Jewish holocaust survivors.
Other countries like France went along with it as they did not want large numbers of holocaust survivors in there country ether.

Absolute BS..
You really need a history lesson..
The Balfour treaty pertaining to the formation of Israel was discussed way before WWII and any holocaust..

And why blame the British or the US or anyone else for that matter when it was planned by Rothschild..
Many links to all of this..
Do some research before spreading more Israeli lies.

The declaration was made in a letter from Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The letter reflected the position of the British Cabinet, as agreed upon in a meeting on 31 October 1917. It further stated that the declaration is a sign of "sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations."

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by backinblack


Sorry mate, not absolute BS at all. Yes the Balfour declarations and Zionism had been building momentum for decades, but in the aftermath of WW2 the large numbers of all manner of refugees coupled with total destruction of infrastructure helped shape public opinion sufficiently to support a Jewish homeland. This public support was not possible until after the war, when everyone wanted to get on with their lives, and felt the same for other groups too, like the Jews.

It was the American public interest, now awakened, which swayed the balance in favour of a homeland against a fair number of objections, like the Palestinians who lived there. Thanks to the general Arab support of the Axis powers, Palestinians were seen as enemy, and lost the "moral" right, in westerners eyes to the land.

Public opinion was more important then than now, and even Rockerfeller had to sway public opinion before implementing his plans. There would be a good argument that WW2 was orchestrated (it WAS) by the bankers precisely to achieve such social instability so as to make that, and other changes easier to implement by TPTB.

It was public support form the US & UK that created the state of Isreal, but we must never forget the powers behind the "news", same then as it is now.

reply to post by harryhaller

Sorry mate, not absolute BS at all.

Sorry mate but it is absolute BS..
Yes you are partly correct but the other poster was making out like the Jews were forced to accept Israel when in fact it was the Jews pushing for that particular piece of dirt..

True or not???

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by hdutton

 

Jordan was once part of greater Israel and relatively still a newly created nation. The Jordanians are quite progressive and I must admit many parts of Jordan with it's well established cities and towns are quite beautiful, Amman is similar to Jerusalem (great shopping there too). Although on the outskirts of some much smaller towns, they are somewhat similar to Gaza and very Islamic in mentality however Amman is alot more progressive and liberal; good education system in place and health care is not bad.

Jordan is a great place and definately an option......although 80% of Jordanians are Palestinian Arabs, the Jordanians don't want the Palestinians from Israel in to Jordan due to many of them being high risk and troublesome especially those from Gaza.

Jordan should be an option put on the table. It's a win win for both sides.

I have been very busy and have just now read this reply.

I would be very interested to read your history books and look at any maps to which you may be refering.

Before there was Israel, there was Palestine and Trans-Jordan. If memory serves me, Jordan was created at, or not long after, the fall of the Ottoman Empire after WW I.

I don't see how you can find anything else other wise. It may be you have been watching too much Fox News, I just hope you don't believe everything they tell you.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


If you believe Israel has a god given right to that land, because they lived there 2,000 years ago, I demand (if you live in the United States, Canada, or Latin America) that you cede YOUR HOME and LAND to the Mohawk, Iroquois, Cherokee, or whatever Indian tribe was ORIGINALLY living where you live today, and you can go live in a FEMA camp until we figure out what to do with the refugee problem.

Originally posted by freedish
It doesn't matter what evidence you provide...some people don't care what the real truth is...

The reason why some people don't support Israel (Obama) is very simple. Israel is Gods chosen nation, and those who hate God will also hate Israel.

Also I think its funny that the Arabs excuse for blowing up Israels citizens is that the land belonged to them first...but most people forget that the jews inhabited israel WAY back before the roman empire...soo technically the jews had the land first.

the vasy majority of "jews" in israel are actually decended from the kazars in europe. their king decided they should have a faith and chose judaism over moslem and christianity hundred of years ago. these people were mercenarys and fought the wars of other countries for a living.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Stewie
It seems to me that if there indeed is "Palestinian Propaganda", that it would be about as powerful as the Palestinians themselves.
Not very.
Whom are those powerful media personalities that are dispensing this "Palestinian Propaganda"? I understand that Jewish interests are in control of the vast majority of western media, so, how are these people without a country getting their word out?

From the Palestinian authority, Hamas, Hezbollah, other terrorist Islamic groups, and several other Islamic extremist countries alongside the Islamic extremist multimillionaires, and multibillionaires. That's what keeps the indoctrination machine going, and I am VERY CERTAIN that we have at least some Palestinian propaganda posters in these forums.

Didn't you know that for example there are also several Islamic extremist training camps in the U.S.? Who do you think pays for those camps, and who buys the land?

Similar camps can be found throughout the world.

well, israel owns and controls american u.s., so why do you put up with it? one of your prime leaders, ariel sharon (the butcher) admits publicly "now dont you worry about america, they do what we want them to do!"

reply to post by g146541


The USS Liberty always comes up....sorry my friend.....the American Govt owns that one and are 100% responsible for putting their naval crew and ship in a war zone snooping around in the middle of a war that had nothing to do with the USA.

If the stove is hot, do you go on put your hand on it?

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


You know what? Who cares what you and your ilk thinks. Israel is going no where and there's nothing you can say or do to change that.

Got it?

reply to post by bluemirage5


I am sorry but please do not attempt to lie to me about a clearly marked ship with a big OLE AMERICAN FLAG and then being attacked by what they thought was their allies.
It seems the US is always bailing out israel so maybe they did have business there.
8 hours before the attack the first scout reports went to israel with hull markings, after that there were no fewer than 8 more reconnaissance flights orbitted the vessel before the attack.
You are correct about the US "owning" that attack they did pay for it and then never did decimate their enemy.
You see yes it does always go back to the USS Liberty for me as this is the one thing that cannot be spun on the US.
Well except for the Americans who knew and allowed it to happen.
But it is a FACT that israel knowingly attacked their "ally" and attempted to finish the job.
For this I will never forgive israel, but I will spread this beautiful nugget of truth to all who would hear the truth and not propaganda.
So who was at fault here in your eyes?
Do you support the attack on the USS Liberty?

Remember the USS Liberty!

reply to post by g146541


The USS Liberty was NOT clearly marked as you allege. In fact, there were no markings to suggest it was American and anyone who claims otherwise, including those on board the naval vessel, are liars in the first degree.

You guys were on a spy mission; obviously the ship is going to be unmarked!!!

reply to post by bluemirage5


Is this what you truly believe?
What about the markings on the hull.GTR-5 or the big american flag?
I know the mirage jets in the initial assault were unmarked though.
Funny, your are not the first mirage to attack an American it seems.
We may have been on a spy mission, ....for israel.
AND WHY WOULD THE US THE WORLD SUPERPOWER SPY ON ISREAL??
Did you ever listen to the survivors, I know you didn't read any history books.
Go ahead there is days worth of info on the web.
Do you support the attack on the USS Liberty?

reply to post by g146541


The USS liberty was obviously loaded with terrorists that wanted to bring aid to gaza.

reply to post by bluemirage5

What a croc of #.
Israel is controlled by Jewish banksters, the same ones that control the U.S. government. Money makes the world go around, and guess WHO can create money out of thin air?
The west is controlled by Israel, because the west is governed by people who can be bought.
It is as simple as that, and you cannot dispute these simple truths.
Not with me.

reply to post by mayabong


Actually if you travel 40-50 years into the future that same uniform now seems to be the terrorist uniform I am sad to say.
You not far from the truth brother!

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by g146541

 

The USS Liberty was NOT clearly marked as you allege. In fact, there were no markings to suggest it was American and anyone who claims otherwise, including those on board the naval vessel, are liars in the first degree.
You guys were on a spy mission; obviously the ship is going to be unmarked!!!

edit on 26-5-2011 by bluemirage5 because: (no reason given)

BS mate..
The Liberty was 100 miles off the coast and Israel claimed they thought it had shelled the coast..

I'd like to know what guns they think the Liberty used to do that.......

Israel is nothing but lies, period......

Originally posted by backinblack

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by g146541

 

The USS Liberty was NOT clearly marked as you allege. In fact, there were no markings to suggest it was American and anyone who claims otherwise, including those on board the naval vessel, are liars in the first degree.
You guys were on a spy mission; obviously the ship is going to be unmarked!!!

edit on 26-5-2011 by bluemirage5 because: (no reason given)

BS mate..
The Liberty was 100 miles off the coast and Israel claimed they thought it had shelled the coast..

I'd like to know what guns they think the Liberty used to do that.......

Israel is nothing but lies, period......

Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty. Some survivors, in addition to some U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials involved in the incident, continue to dispute these official findings, saying the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake, and it remains "the only maritime incident in U.S. history where [U.S.] military forces were killed that was never investigated by the [U.S.] Congress."

At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.

USS Liberty incident

reply to post by backinblack


The USS Liberty was NOT 100 miles off the coast at all. How on earth did you figure that one out?

reply to post by g146541


The USS Liberty were NOT spying for Israel either.

Fact is, the ship was unmarked, well within Egyptian waters AND spying, probably on both Egypt and Israel.

The Americans should'nt had been there in the first place!!!