A man will be punished by dripping acid into his eyes in Tehran on Saturday May 14- Norway condemns

reply to post by RMFX1

Not true. Maybe for the most part, but there are also plenty of people in prison who are more than happy to be there having spent most of their adult lives there. They simply do not know how to function in society and as such prison is the easier option.

Like homeless people?

reply to post by RMFX1

I can't speak for the U.S, but it is well known that prisons here in the Netherlands and also in the UK are very comfortable.

Comfort VS. freedom. Which one do you choose?

You would rather give up freedom just for a little comfort?

Like I said... freedom is on prisoners' minds 24 hours a day, regardless of comfort, TV, libraries, soft beds, video games, etc.

Originally posted by Deaf Alien
reply to post by RMFX1

 

Not true. Maybe for the most part, but there are also plenty of people in prison who are more than happy to be there having spent most of their adult lives there. They simply do not know how to function in society and as such prison is the easier option.

Like homeless people?

Well, a lot of them would certainly be homeless if it weren't for them having the luxury of being in prison.

reply to post by RMFX1



Exactly I bet there are many homeless who would be grateful for the food and shelter and

amenieties provided by prison. And also there are many pensioners trying to eek out their

megre pensions, This past winter i know of many who went to libraries or Shopping Malls

just to keep warm,( its a case of heat or eat for many of them) the criminals in prison don't

have that problem !!! I always thought people went to prison as a punishment for a crime,

not a 3 star soujourn. Some discomfort and deprivation may work wonders in reducing

habitual reoffending

reply to post by Miraj


for thousands of years There have been much worst punishments then death! Like the Iron maiden or the breaking wheel. in some country's all it would take is to steal a loaf of bread to feed a hungry family. if this line of punishment hasn't worked a deterring people from doing crimes. then we can tell there's a bigger problem.

Originally posted by Deaf Alien
reply to post by RMFX1

 

I can't speak for the U.S, but it is well known that prisons here in the Netherlands and also in the UK are very comfortable.

Comfort VS. freedom. Which one do you choose?

You would rather give up freedom just for a little comfort?

Like I said... freedom is on prisoners' minds 24 hours a day, regardless of comfort, TV, libraries, soft beds, video games, etc.

I'm not sure why you would need to create 2 posts to quote 1 of mine, but anyway...

Where did I say that I would give up my freedom for a little comfort? I wouldn't, but there is little doubt that there are many that do. If you are not willing to accept that then maybe you should have a look into it instead of trying to turn it into something about me and what I would do.

reply to post by Deaf Alien





Short answer.........Like i said previously........If you can't do the time DONT do the crime.

It realy dosen't get any simpler than that

reply to post by eletheia


I guess I don't really understand your post Taking away your freedom is the worst thing they can ever do to you.



Pouring acid on the perp's eye lowers that woman's level to him.

ah I understand why I double posted. It's my secret.

Sorry for the double post.

reply to post by RMFX1

I'm not sure why you would need to create 2 posts to quote 1 of mine, but anyway...

Where did I say that I would give up my freedom for a little comfort? I wouldn't, but there is little doubt that there are many that do. If you are not willing to accept that then maybe you should have a look into it instead of trying to turn it into something about me and what I would do.

I apologize. I replied to 2 parts in your post and forgot the last part lol.

You kept saying that in some prisons the prisoners are "comfortable".

I am just asking you to choose. I am sure you would choose freedom every time.

Prisoners don't care about comfort, good food, visits from families, etc. All they want is freedom.


Revenges on perps will create more revenge.

How do you think the family of that guy will feel when they pour acid on his eyes? They want revenge, right?

The cycle continues.

The punishment fit's the crime IM0, maybe we should castrate pedophiles? Im all for that, maybe there are things we can learn from Islam as well as they learn from us?

A muslim tribunal goes a long way more then much of our Judicial system these days, no pun intended. To some criminals prison time is just a vacation from their career. But if he loses his eyes, balls, well he will probably choose a new career. Our criminal Justice system is a joke as it is corrupt, they are more concerned with locking up nickel and dime drug dealers/addicts then giving violent offenders and sexual predators REAL time.

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Whats so hard to Not understand?? . I'll say it SLOWLY one more time..............

If you value your FREEDOM DON'T commit a crime where the punishment is going

to deprive you of the FREEDOM you pertain to value so much Sorry i can't make it any

clearer than that

reply to post by eletheia


It is clear.

As to the topic -

What is even clearer is that doing the same thing to the perp is being the perp himself or herself.

reply to post by Deaf Alien



And the perp was dealt with accordingly

Originally posted by eletheia
reply to post by RMFX1

 

Exactly I bet there are many homeless who would be grateful for the food and shelter and
amenieties provided by prison. And also there are many pensioners trying to eek out their
megre pensions, This past winter i know of many who went to libraries or Shopping Malls
just to keep warm,( its a case of heat or eat for many of them)

Well, that's what happens when your community diverts all their funds to building and filling prisons. Sure you've got kids starving and elderly people freezing, but at least that John caught in the prostitution sting is off the streets!

the criminals in prison don't
have that problem !!! I always thought people went to prison as a punishment for a crime,
not a 3 star soujourn.

You've never been anywhere near a prison, have you? The vast majority of them are pretty terrible places. I hate to break it to you, but basic amenities like water and heat are kind of "human rights." Even for people you don't like. And while I understand that people like you just LOVE the idea of prison rape, my understanding is that it's not exactly pleasant. If assault and rape are advertised features in the three-star hotels you frequent, they may not be being completely honest about their rating.

You may also want to notice that, ideally, our judicial system serves out justice. Not revenge. The idea of a prison is not to make a prisoner suffer - the idea of a prison is to remove the convict from general society for the duration of his sentence.

Some discomfort and deprivation may work wonders in reducing
habitual reoffending

Again, you've never once been near a prison, much less inside one. Please, commit a felony, then get back to us in two-to-five. I expect stories of silken bedclothes, foie gras, and erotic massage by buxom Swedish ladies. Some of my ex-con buddies assure me that these luxuries don't actually exist in prison, but I'm sure you'll be vastly more honest than them, right?

reply to post by eletheia


Well if i ever become homeless and I cant find work or food or shelter and nothing to lose then im going to set myself up to go to jail. Of course I wont harm anyone or damage anything in the process. And im a law abiding citizen "now" but when I was a young man I got in to trouble often hanging with the wrong crowd. Was in jail here and there for petty theft and things like that and it was not that bad. Army set me straight after that. Only thing that sucks is being away from family and friends. So i can verify from a criminal perspective that Jail is better then being on the street living in a box. 3 hot meals and a cot "uncomfortable one" but it takes getting use to. Even cable TV, basketball court, arts and crafts you name it. Not much worse then the barracks. In many cases it is a college for criminals, they come out with a PHD in crime and become institutionalized and can no longer function in society after doing hard time. The department of corrections is a funny name, it does not correct or rectify the problem it just prolongs it. It is about making money more then punishment. The system here has failed.

Example

I also had a stalker conspire to murder me "come to my house with a gun" was arrested and was convicted of a class D felony. This person plead out and they dropped the stalking charges. Said person had received a suspended sentence with 5 years probation. So yeah had this person been caught with a large amount of narcotics they surely would have been sent up the creek.

Originally posted by w810i
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

 

Maybe then this idiot should have thought about the consequences of his actions. He has no one to blame for himself for the position he is.

No one here is arguing that he shouldn't be punished for what he did. Simply that "revenge" is not an appropriate system of law and order. It's really not that hard to understand, is it?

Blinding him won't heal his victim's eyes. Having her hold the dropper to do it isn't going to help her at all. Turning justice into bloodsport does no favors for the rest of the society, either. It just degrades everyone. Turning the victim into the abuser and the abuser into the victim doesn't correct anything, it just means that now there are two people who have been injured for absolutely no gain at all.

Also you might not want to get too cheerful about Iranian law - had she married him, he'd have been in his rights to beat her with a stick until she went blind from concussive brain damage. And heaven help her if she spurned him because she had a female lover - that's the death penalty, there.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox

No one here is arguing that he shouldn't be punished for what he did. Simply that "revenge" is not an appropriate system of law and order. It's really not that hard to understand, is it?

Blinding him won't heal his victim's eyes. Having her hold the dropper to do it isn't going to help her at all. Turning justice into bloodsport does no favors for the rest of the society, either. It just degrades everyone. Turning the victim into the abuser and the abuser into the victim doesn't correct anything, it just means that now there are two people who have been injured for absolutely no gain at all.

I have been trying to say that but you have said it so much better!

NOBODY is having any sympathy for the "perp" in this thread. This is about us as a whole (the entire human race or the world).

Where does it end? What if the family of the "perp" (whether or not he or she is innocent) wants revenge for what has been done to this person? Where does it end?

Perhaps we better listen to what Jesus has said (don't matter if I believe in the bible or not. It's what enlightened people say)

What he done was sick, But the punishment is disgusting, but the only thing worse is the fact that so many of you are condoneing this punishment.
I believe he should be punished but,,,,,,Acid????
What is this world coming to?????? What are we teaching the children if we think this is right.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox



Don't go making assumptions you know nothing about me, i could quite easily have been

to or know someone close who has been to prison.

Contrary to your assumptions I don't LOVE the idea of prison 'rape' i infact i abhor rape of

any sort, however if i were a criminal (and you seem to think everyone is aware of prison rape)

i would make dam sure i kept out of them. ( AGAIN IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME DON'T DO

THE CRIME )

You state the idea of prison is to remove the convict from society fot the duration of his

sentence I always believed they went to prison to learn the error of their ways and not repeat

their crimes (obviously i was wrong ) If i had been 'prison raped i would make sure i NEVER

NEVER returned. To my knowledge prisons are full of reoffenders - so i take it that it must not

be something that they find (in your words) "not exactly pleasant"

Then you mention 'human rights' well i dont want to know about the 'human rights' of

murderers, rapists, burglers, assaulters, wife beaters, acid throwing rejected suiters. I want

to know about the 'human rights' of all the VICTIMS. As far as i am concerned the perpetrators

lost any rights when they committed their crimes.