Man Jailed For Getting Underage Girl Pregnant . . . with a twist

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by warbird03
That doesn't absolve the girl..

Legally, it does. At 15, sex can't be consensual, as she was not legally old enough to give consent. She CAN'T give consent.

I agree %100 with you. But, what if the girl told the man she was 16, or 17, of legal age? What if he thought she was legal because thats what she told him. Would the same punishment still apply to him as she gets away with manipulating a man?

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And what of the mother?

Another knee-jerk.



Disappointed in ATS today.

Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by AnitaCigarette

 

I like your train of thought. There may be some truth into that.

Regardless, it does take two to tango, teens are more mature now than when I was a teen so she was most likely totally coherent in her decision to be with the man. The man on the other hand, probably shouldn't be put in prison for what he did but he does need some form of rehabilitation ie. put through some sort of mental institution or mandatory psychiatric/ psychological counseling. I mean, granted she may have been sexually mature but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that teens, especially at that age are not mentally mature.

The reason they are so much more "mature" now is because of the damn hormones they pack into our meats & processed foods!

Originally posted by kimish
But, what if the girl told the man she was 16, or 17, of legal age? What if he thought she was legal because thats what she told him. Would the same punishment still apply to him as she gets away with manipulating a man?

Yes and here's why. She's underage. The responsibility for HIS legal actions falls with HIM and HIM only. It's HIS responsibility to be certain that he doesn't sleep with a minor. There's nothing illegal about manipulating a man. If there were, most women would be in prison. (ha-ha, just joking, ladies)

the more i read this thread the more i get infuraited by some of the comments condoneing this..as someone already stated she may well be physically mature..but not mentally....

and if the mother did know this grown man was having sex with this child,then she should be punish aswell...its morallly wrong in so many ways...

like i said..i'm digusted by some of you saying this is ok.....ARRGGHHHHHHHH!!!!

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


Ahhhh you got me for a bit there!!
And i thought i was smarter than that.
You post "Man Jailed For Getting Underage Girl Pregnant . . . with a twist"
And folks bit and hard too.
Folks, we have been trolled.
I fed the troll.

Originally posted by warbird03
reply to post by AnitaCigarette

 

It's only a one-way street if she didn't want it. There's nothing in the link that says either way, although it makes it sound like it was mutual. Yes, I realize she's underage. I don't agree with his actions and I think it's disgusting. That doesn't absolve the girl. As I said, if it turns out that it was against her will, I'm all for any and every cruel punishment available. Otherwise, they're both at fault.

Oh, right. There's a guy involved, so everything's all his fault.

No, there is an adult involved, therefor he should be locked up. The Courts would do the same thing to a 25 woman who was having sex with a 15 year old boy.

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
And what of the mother?

What about her FATHER??? What about the school? The church? I mean, you can bring in all sorts of people to blame, but there's only ONE person who is legally responsible for this man bedding an underage girl. And that's HIM.

Don't you believe in personal responsibility? The mother did NOT do this. Am I to be blamed for all the stuff I didn't prevent?

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
You are smarter than that, BH.

Yes, I am. Joint me, won't you?

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by kimish
But, what if the girl told the man she was 16, or 17, of legal age? What if he thought she was legal because thats what she told him. Would the same punishment still apply to him as she gets away with manipulating a man?

Yes and here's why. She's underage. The responsibility for HIS legal actions falls with HIM and HIM only. It's HIS responsibility to be certain that he doesn't sleep with a minor. There's nothing illegal about manipulating a man. If there were, most women would be in prison.

(ha-ha, just joking, ladies)

Exactly, in fact, he should have asked to see some I.D. first, just like Quagmire on Family Guy.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by kimish
But, what if the girl told the man she was 16, or 17, of legal age? What if he thought she was legal because thats what she told him. Would the same punishment still apply to him as she gets away with manipulating a man?

Yes and here's why. She's underage. The responsibility for HIS legal actions falls with HIM and HIM only. It's HIS responsibility to be certain that he doesn't sleep with a minor. There's nothing illegal about manipulating a man. If there were, most women would be in prison.

(ha-ha, just joking, ladies)

What's he supposed to do in that situation? Go have a background check run on her before sleeping with her? Don't get me wrong, if there was any question about her age then he should have stayed away in the first place. If she had him convinced she was legal though, then it changes the situation.

Although, it would appear that he was aware of her age. I don't think the mother would be aware of the relationship otherwise.


Too many people in this thread are too busy shouting "CHILD MOLESTOR!" to actually participate in discussion about it or to even realize that we know very little about what happened.

Edit: Just to be clear, I am completely against what happened. It's disgusting to me and most people here. It's all about perspective though.

The mother should be made accountable for her parenting skills and endangerment.
The man should be charged and the girl should be enrolled in counseling, perhaps with her mother.
Of course all of the parties involved should be accountable and laws applied.

I still don't see the twist.

Originally posted by cluckerspud
The mother should be made accountable for her parenting skills and endangerment.
The man should be charged and the girl should be enrolled in counseling, perhaps with her mother.
Of course all of the parties involved should be accountable and laws applied.

I still don't see the twist.

Finally, somebody get's what I've been saying.

Originally posted by cluckerspud
The mother should be made accountable for her parenting skills and endangerment.
The man should be charged and the girl should be enrolled in counseling, perhaps with her mother.
Of course all of the parties involved should be accountable and laws applied.

Agreed, & drug test them while your at it, because this seems like something irresponsible people would do. (not saying drug users are irresponsible, however, a majority of them are)

Originally posted by warbird03
Honestly, there's nowhere near enough information to make any judgements about it. Yes, it sounds bad. No, I'm not trying to defend the guy. There's just not much to go on.

I guess my point is, don't take one side or the other when we really don't know much about it.

Uhm, we know she is 15, we know he is 25. That's all I need to know to make the judgment that he is a pedo, put the pedo in jail for life.

Originally posted by snapperski
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

ER HELLO ....she 15 so he was having sex with her when she was 14 or even younger(hence the baby)....in my books his a pedophille ...i'm shocked you seem ok with this.

edit on 4-4-2011 by snapperski because: grammer

Pedo's don't see anything wrong with it and are supportive of it. So, pedo's will support pedo's.

Uh NO Pedo's should not EVER be allowed to marry the ones they rape.

In regards to the op question about the mom, if it was me, I would have called the police right away and filed charges. What the mom did or did not do, does not lesson what a pedo did. You have a strawman argument.

Peace

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
And what of the mother?

What about her FATHER??? What about the school? The church? I mean, you can bring in all sorts of people to blame, but there's only ONE person who is legally responsible for this man bedding an underage girl. And that's HIM.

The article says nothing about any of that. The article DOES state that the mother knew of the relationship.

Don't you believe in personal responsibility? The mother did NOT do this. Am I to be blamed for all the stuff I didn't prevent?

So the mother does not have a personal responsibility to protect her child?

If you knew your 15 year old daughter was in a relationship with a 25 year old man yes, I would blame you.

Nowhere did I say that I condone the man. In fact, quite opposite.

But I do say that the mother should be facing charges as well.

Originally posted by cluckerspud
The mother should be made accountable for her parenting skills and endangerment.
The man should be charged and the girl should be enrolled in counseling, perhaps with her mother.
Of course all of the parties involved should be accountable and laws applied.

I still don't see the twist.

The twist is that the police and courts knee-jerk and goes off on the man, while saying nothing of the mother.

Hell . . . the people who "deny ignorance" are sheeple after all. Look at this thread for proof. There is your twist.

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No one says it what the man did should be lessened. I am saying that the mother should be charged with crimes as well.

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh



Apparently you didn't read the article....

The article also says that the mother DID try to keep him away from the girl.

It doesn't go into detail as to what the mother tried.

Court records show that Galvan told the girl’s mother he was willing to sign a document that he would take care of the girl and their baby.

The mother refused saying she had been trying to keep her and Galvan apart for the past year.

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
The twist is that the police and courts knee-jerk and goes off on the man, while saying nothing of the mother.

Hell . . . the people who "deny ignorance" are sheeple after all. Look at this thread for proof. There is your twist.

Welcome to America pal. The justice system is flawed and doesn't always work.

What a twist!!!!!!

Originally posted by cluckerspud
The mother should be made accountable for her parenting skills and endangerment.
The man should be charged and the girl should be enrolled in counseling, perhaps with her mother.
Of course all of the parties involved should be accountable and laws applied.

I still don't see the twist.

because there is no twist in this story....

just plain paedophilia.

and i hold a deep passion for these kind of humans to be hung on the gallows..
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and for all those that think this is ok...there a reason you wont find a picture of this child,as she still a minor...

YES A MINOR.

lock him up..and show his face all over MSM so people know we as a society wont accept this kind of behaviour..and hope some nasty bast#rds in prison deal him just punishment.


EDIT: I'm done with this thread...this sort of stuff just p#ss's me off.