Proof Of Alien Contact? Could This Be The Smoking Gun?

Originally posted by DarthChrisious
I fear the only way that the media will cover these types of stories is if aliens showed up and took a crap in Lindsay Lohan's front yard.

OMG. That would be the best "disclosure" EVER!

A slap to the face of MSM and debunkers alike.

"Uh, yeah ... we're here. We've been here. You've known it for a long time and had your chance. Since you refuse to disclose this information to the general public ... we've chosen to take a crap on Lindsay Lohan's front yard in hopes that you might cover that story."

reply to post by OrionHunterX


I have to agree with OrionHunterX! Your analysis and subsequent plausible conclusions are sound. I think the meteorite fragment embedding itself is the least likely to have happened.

With all of the data presented here ( more than the good Dr. ) I hope that this continues to propel us all in our ongoing search for our own truths. In light of this discovery, and many like it...hard facts and credible information is hard to obtain and substantiate. True there will always be disinformants out there who wish to derail a collective body like ourselves... Skeptics, Hopefuls and the Like.

I have come across a great read, Project Blue Beam. I know most of you have already read this and aware of what is presented in it.

Ok...think I may be going on a feeble rant! Back to the point.. well done.! Star & Flagged!!

Originally posted by urbancowboy13
reply to post by OrionHunterX

 

I have to agree with OrionHunterX! Your analysis and subsequent plausible conclusions are sound. I think the meteorite fragment embedding itself is the least likely to have happened.

I dunno. I'm not so convinced. There's a few reasons.

Firstly, there is the chain of custody. When the "object" was removed, it was a pile of bits and pieces which were light in colour. After the "Good Dr." finished with it, it had "reassembled" into a single dark object.

Secondly, he claims that the thing was transmitting on a radio frequency. If that were true, it would be the single greatest find of science. Yet he just removes the thing as though that were some mundane unimportant fact.

Moreover, he presents no video documenting this. He doesn't describe the equipment used to detect the radio frequency transmissions. He presents no recording of the transmission.

I mean come on, this would be an ALIEN SIGNAL, which could be studied by scientists and decoded! It would be much more than proof of alien existence.

But instead of studying this important fact, he brushes it off by asking rhetorically what alien civilisation actually uses radio frequencies. They all use "scalar waves" whatever the hell they are, according to the Good Doctor.

So that proves this is NOT an alien artifact then does it?

The guy's claims are not even remotely credible I am afraid.

Show me evidence for even a single one of these extraordinary claims and you can have all the media and scientific attention you want. What he's describing is not just extraordinary, but preposterous.

Every single person seeing this knows for sure that it's made up. But for some reason, people continue to want to believe it is true, even if there are holes in the story you could drive a truck through.

Originally posted by ai123
The significant deviations from the expected norms of these elements would indicate a extraterrestrial origin as our earthly elements have been studied exhaustively and their ratio's are well known.

Does it necessarily indicate it is extraterrestrial or does it indicate it is manufactured?

Originally posted by ai123
Lastly, now that the origin of this object is cleared up; I would like to consider real hypothesises as getting hit by a meteorite albeit possible, would most certainly not go unnoticed causing serious harm or infection post impact. The impact itself, the force of impact could be similar to that of being shot by a small fire arm.

I think there is a severe lack of imagination among those advocating the meteor explanation and those criticizing it.

One would not have to be hit by a meteorite newly entering the atmosphere for it to wind up in the human body. A tiny fragment could have been on earth for years, decades, centuries. The subject is doing some sort of outside activity at some point in his life, falls, scrapes the area where the "implant" is found and the fragment becomes embedded.

Originally posted by ai123
On a side note I attend University of Toronto, and could do some investigative work to the tests conducted at our material science lab any ideas on what I should look for and or ask to see?

You should write Dr. Leir and ask. His answer should tell you a lot.

Originally posted by WingedBull

Originally posted by ai123
The significant deviations from the expected norms of these elements would indicate a extraterrestrial origin as our earthly elements have been studied exhaustively and their ratio's are well known.

Does it necessarily indicate it is extraterrestrial or does it indicate it is manufactured?

I think it is actually pretty hard to manufacture something like that. It is much more likely that it is extraterrestrial in origin. Of course here "extraterrestrial" doesn't mean little green men extraterrestrial, just from off the planet, e.g. a fragment of meteorite.

Originally posted by WingedBull

Originally posted by ai123
Lastly, now that the origin of this object is cleared up; I would like to consider real hypothesises as getting hit by a meteorite albeit possible, would most certainly not go unnoticed causing serious harm or infection post impact. The impact itself, the force of impact could be similar to that of being shot by a small fire arm.

I think there is a severe lack of imagination among those advocating the meteor explanation and those criticizing it.

One would not have to be hit by a meteorite newly entering the atmosphere for it to wind up in the human body. A tiny fragment could have been on earth for years, decades, centuries. The subject is doing some sort of outside activity at some point in his life, falls, scrapes the area where the "implant" is found and the fragment becomes embedded.

Well, that is assuming the meteorite was actually in the body in the first place. In the video I just watched the object was described as being in fragments which were light in colour when passed to the Dr. then a few days later after he passed them to the lab, there was a single object, dark in colour. This is from the Dr's own mouth.

It's soooo much more likely the Dr. threw away the bits of rusty iron or plastic or cyst or chipped bone or whatever found in the foot and replaced them with a piece of a meteorite he purchased on Ebay.

Originally posted by WingedBull

Originally posted by ai123
On a side note I attend University of Toronto, and could do some investigative work to the tests conducted at our material science lab any ideas on what I should look for and or ask to see?

You should write Dr. Leir and ask. His answer should tell you a lot.

I do hope that ai123 will ask at the lab and see what they say. That would be extremely interesting indeed. I suspect all they did was a materials analysis, the report from which was attached earlier in the thread. But let's see what they say.

Here's a full length feature for those who have the time and inclination to watch it. Quite interesting!

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my questions indeed (I'll add a star to your reply ;-) )

before I run the risk of starting a flame: I do not intend to go into the overall claim (or question, actually).
All I notice is that yet again claims are being formulated, in this case claims that base their legitimation on the reputation of institutions, without any prove.
I can accept the possibility that indeed the analysis was made using the best of methods in the best of labs. I'm just not willing to believe whatever someone claims to be the outcome of such exercise.

reply to post by DarthChrisious


would love to see that plastic TV-invented person eat that crap, actually. Let's make a reality show about it: celebs, ET and crap, that would be a killer show. Bring in the six-packs now

I don't know what to make of Doctor Lier, its certainly a risky move being the implant doctor, how many would be put off using his services knowing he might be considered a qwack for doing what he does.

Its certainly not a venture based upon turnover as in I doubt there's a queue day in day out to have implants removed. Technically he's a very bright fellow so he's either a clever fraud, a clever guy on the wrong track or a clever guy who really has found something.

2 things puzzle me and I see no mention of them so far, what sort of work of normal nature would attach itself to nerves?

And the other, how does it stay and avoid rejection by the bodies defences?

This subject has always interested me since I found that a small orange mark on my leg actually had a tiny lead like core inside that could not be crushed. My worries were made even worse when my daughter while at a very early age (around a year old) suddenly overnight developed an identical marking as me, upon squeezing it an identical small lead like thing came out. Again this was impossible to crush but in my bid to look closer at it I accidentally twanged the item from between my fingers onto the carpet and lost it for ever.

Just to add: I know this thing appeared on my daughter in a matter of a few hours if that, the reason I know this is my wife had a C section so was in quite a bit of pain for a while so from day one I took over all the nappy changes and most of the other chores around my daughter. I had from memory not long changed her nappy and the object was on her tummy so would have been obvious before.

My object was in my leg since I was a child, apart from the slight orange ring there was no clue there was anything there and no soreness from it over those 40yrs.

I actually posted a thread on here asking if anyone knew any natural reason how we got these thing, if they was a disease etc...

Apparently there wasn't...

Originally posted by DAVID64
I've seen several documentaries about these. Nat Geo or Discovery channel, can't remember which it was, but these are very interesting pieces of evidence. You can show skeptics and debunkers evidence all day and they will find SOME way to pick it apart. I was going to start a thread yesterday about something I and my neighbor saw at around 6:00 pm but couldn't get to my camcorder in time so didn't bother. No evidence.

One of the mental diseases I suffer from translates as a love for docu's, even the US versions (I prefer BBC).
I'm sorry (and I don't mean to be disrespectful) but none of these docu's do PROVE anything. All they do is packaging claims and present them as prove. As they are produced for TV (and the mental age of an 8-12 years old), such an approach is understandable... Just don't be fooled by it.

Originally posted by Logical one

Originally posted by Skate

You're quite the dumb guy. The metals and what not in the implant are metals NOT FOUND ON THIS EARTH. There you go, that means it's of extraterrestrial origin. Couldn't have been a meteor because a piece of meteor isn't going to grow legs and walk into some guy and surgically implant itself.

I don't think we need to get rude about this.....lets keep it civil......what do say friend?

Firstly elements on Earth are the same as elements off Earth.

If the test in this Youtube are to believed then they are meteorite fragments.

Like I said small meteorites hit the Earth everyday.......who is to say that a tiny fragment didn't manage to penetrate the person's body, perhaps several years earlier....perhaps even when they were small kids playing outside.

edit on 3-4-2011 by Logical one because: (no reason given)

I really appreciate the patience you obviously have in dealing with an overwhelming amount of utter ignorance, packaged in aggression.

Originally posted by Logical one

Originally posted by Gorman91

Simple elements. Is HCl artifical? Stuff connects. Especially in high speed collisions in space.

I'm no chemist, but isn't it also true that chemical reactions can also occur when an objects enters Earth's atmosphere due to the intense heat?

I'm not qualified either but I do recall from trying to understand how the chemical elements came into being that it takes gigantic heaps of energy, a condition that is only present in the core of stars.

So I doubt if the high speed collisions can provide that amount of energy. But than again, little do I KNOW, I'm just a poor human bean :-)

Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes

Originally posted by Logical one

Originally posted by Gorman91

Simple elements. Is HCl artifical? Stuff connects. Especially in high speed collisions in space.

I'm no chemist, but isn't it also true that chemical reactions can also occur when an objects enters Earth's atmosphere due to the intense heat?

I'm not qualified either but I do recall from trying to understand how the chemical elements came into being that it takes gigantic heaps of energy, a condition that is only present in the core of stars.

So I doubt if the high speed collisions can provide that amount of energy. But than again, little do I KNOW, I'm just a poor human bean :-)

There are two types of things that can occur:

1) Chemical reactions: these occur around us all the time. E.g. your body is full of them. They combine various kinds of molecules into other kinds of molecules, i.e. you put a pile of compounds in and out comes a pile of other compounds. (A molecule is a collection of atoms of various elements joined by chemical bonds.)

For example, HCl is hydrochloric acid. It's not a great example because it occurs in the stomach. Throw up and you have plenty of it.

Anyhow, HCl can be produced by putting hydrogen chloride in water. And the former is produced by exposing Hydrogen to Chlorine. These sorts of reactions are denoted by chemical formulas, e.g:

Cl2 + H2 → 2HCl

2) Nuclear reactions: these are the ones that occur in fission (e.g. the radioactive splitting of atoms of heavy elements like uranium into lighter elements) and fusion (e.g. the fusion of isotypes of hydrogen to form helium). The latter occurs in stars. The former of course occurs naturally in radioactive elements, and also in nuclear reactors.

The reactions for these also have formulas, but they may be more complicated as they involve components of the actual atoms themselves, such as neutrons and protons, and various other subatomic particles.

As I don't understand the context here, I'm not sure what is being argued. But you certainly don't need cores of stars to form HCl. It occurs abundantly in living things and can be manufactured on a table-top with simple chemicals. It's an unremarkable compound.

reply to post by Mclaneinc

And the other, how does it stay and avoid rejection by the bodies defences?

Obviously I can't speak about the object in the OP video. But when a foreign object enters the body (like a sliver of metal) the body sends white cells (i think) that essentially encapsulate the object. This material is biological in nature, and covers the entire object. The body then usually tries to eject the object, in some cases allowing it to float freely around the body.

This is completely normal and in no way an indication of alien tech, or bioengineering, it's a simple basic fact about how the human body works. All the self proclaimed experts in here and no one got that?

I do recall seeing a docu years back talking about implants, possibly this particular doctor. They showed someone who had something floating under the skin in their forearm. They went on to remove it, and claimed it was an alien implant and further testing was needed.

Don't recall the outcome of testing, but it was essentially what I just described, either a shard of metal or stone, introduced into the body, it was encapsulated and became a free floating body inside the persons arm. Nothing mystical or alien about that, I've had 1 myself. Usually they enter through the foot and you might not even notice as it's quite small.

This, obviously, only explains a segment of reports. It doesn't explain any implants emitting RFID signals, or material that is classified as extra-terrestrial. Again though, I have yet to see any official peer reviewed cases that prove this.

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OMG this Was an awesome article! I've always believed we're not alone and this artical just reaffirms my belief in extraterrestials. AHH I wish they would just make themselves public arleady!

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by Mclaneinc

 

And the other, how does it stay and avoid rejection by the bodies defences?

Obviously I can't speak about the object in the OP video. But when a foreign object enters the body (like a sliver of metal) the body sends white cells (i think) that essentially encapsulate the object. This material is biological in nature, and covers the entire object. The body then usually tries to eject the object, in some cases allowing it to float freely around the body.

This is completely normal and in no way an indication of alien tech, or bioengineering, it's a simple basic fact about how the human body works. All the self proclaimed experts in here and no one got that?

Well, there are so many other holes in the story, it's tempting to jump on them all at once. But yes, I noticed this too.

Of course, to the Dr's credit he notes that in one case the "implant" did not provoke an immune response, which would announce itself with inflammation.

Actually, I think that some metals do not provoke a strong immune response. Thus they are commonly used for implants of another, much more terrestrial kind.

The Dr leaves it up to the reader to assume that metals do not combine with biological tissue. He also leaves it up to the reader to assume that he has evidence (other than his own imagination) to prove that they did in the case of these implants.

I suspect he is just saying that based on the fact that the test reports determined there was both biological and metal substances found in the sample he provided. Not so unusual if you put a piece of meteorite in a bottle of someone's blood plasma though. All other "significant" finds are in the reader's imagination. The science actually tells a very boring story.

Of course if we could get any evidence of any of the more extraordinary claims he makes, then we might have something. As usual, all the actually important evidence is missing. But you are told where to purchase the Dr's book on the subject.

So what we seem to have is an object containing several materials that also happen to be used in creating electrical devices; and we're not just talking about copper and iron here, we're talking about alloys and rare elements that are almost exclusively found in artificial devices and NOT in nature. Of course the thing was dissolved in order to get this analysis, so we have to look at the parts rather than the whole.

If you found four wooden wheels, two wooden axles and a wooden box in a pile by the side of the road, would you call it a wagon, or a freak accident between trees?

Now I am exaggerating a bit and I haven't come to any conclusions. I think it would be a great idea to look at some analyses of known meteorites so we can compare them to this one.


reply to post by MelvinTheMad

I thought this was an excellent point. Good catch!


reply to post by Druid42

I personally am not suggesting this is alien. I am suggesting it is artificial. Whether or not it is "alien" is beyond my scope for now.

Greetings,

I admit that I only read the first 7 pages or so before skipping to the back, but I didn't see any materials scientists or engineers weighing in....

Since I am, here's what the SEM results actually say- as many have guessed, it's a complex iron-based alloy. The presence of "weird" trace elements generally indicate nothing more than the quality of the manufacturing plant. This material sample has trace elements well within the limits of a "super clean" designation, and this is quite honestly nothing more than a piece of hardened stainless steel, and a quite common alloy. The fact that this was found in a foot by a podiatrist/surgeon makes a lot of sense, as these slivers can work their way into your hands and feet without you noticing and you will find them years later as they shift and cause discomfort.

Incidentally, the photos also showed nothing special at all- there may have been some trace biological material, but I'm afraid there's no way to argue that it was attached to the nerve endings, since they would have been removed by the acid etching that is used to prep the samples for the microscope. Even if it was attached to biological material upon removal, that's something that occurs every time a foreign substance is stuck in the body- your body isolates it the best it can, and its presence is monitored by the nerve endings that already extend through your body.

Sorry- I don't post much and I hate to debunk, but when promised a "smoking gun" and then reading the data, I got really really disappointed and wanted to save some of you the trouble.

Originally posted by Itop1
Just remember.... an alien could slap some skeptics in the face, and they still wouldn't believe it

What an ignorant, biased, and inflammatory comment.

Should I counter with an equally immature and ignorant response?

How about: "Just remember....any idiot with a story and a wallet is proof enough for most believers!!"

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Nice of you to chime in. Just wonderin, what is your field of research as I have been talking to your uni last august
when I was in maimi, about my anti gravity project and they asked me to join as phd student.