Afghan mob storms UN office, kills 8, beheads 2

Anybody that knows anything about Afghans knows revenge is part of their culture. They very much believe in an eye for an eye. Does that justify murder and beheadings? No. However, anybody that decides to get in a tit for tat with the Afghans will found out that they will respond in kind and worse. It's embedded in their culture. They will never change. So if you decide to burn Korans in an effort to incite them you will get your wish. It is unfortunate that others will pay the price for somebody else stirring them.

Anybody that wishes to burn a Koran (I am Christian), I challenge you. Get on a plane and go to Kabul,. You don't have to stay long. The Airport in Kabul is right in the city center. You can walk up the road about 1/4 mile from the terminal through all the security and you are smack in the middle of the population. Set your Koran down and go ahead and light it up. Hopefully you didn't waste money on a return ticket.

I can guarantee these people burning Korans don't have the balls to burn a Koran in Afghanistan. They'd rather do it right here and watch innocent people in Afghanistan die for their actions. I say put this so called reverend (he's a terrorist in my opinion) on a plane and send him to Kabul for a day. Just one day. This isn't about religion. This is about purposely trying to incite people. He should face those he wishes to incite face to face if he feels that strongly about things. He's a coward...plain and simple.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Funny what gets passed off as 'evidence' around these parts.

Right, I guess lies, and more lies meanwhile claiming everyone else but you lies would pass of as evidence "for some"...

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
There is as much 'evidence' they are battle-weary fighters from Iraq as there is they are 'freedom fighters'. Just one guy saying one thing, and another guy saying something else.

Really?... is that why most tribes in Iraq united to fight Al Qaeda, and other FOREIGN Islamic extremists?...

Is that why the so called "freedom fighters", by some, had to bomb polling places because they didn't want THE IRAQI PEOPLE to vote?...

Is that why the so called "freedom fighters' have murdered more IRAQI CIVILIANS than the coalition forces have, even thou some people claim the contrary?...

Just do a search about bombings in Iraq and see who dies the most...

Unfortunately some coalition forces do unspeakable things, but when they are caught they get sent to prison and are court marshalled, meanwhile Al Qaeda murders Iraqi civilians pretty much every day and some people hail them as "freedom fighters", and such people do not want any sort of retaliation against Al Qaeda, but if some coalition forces do the same these same people get up on arms and want blood from all coalition forces...

Originally posted by brewing
... I say put this so called reverend (he's a terrorist in my opinion) on a plane and send him to Kabul for a day. Just one day. This isn't about religion. This is about purposely trying to incite people. He should face those he wishes to incite face to face if he feels that strongly about things. He's a coward...plain and simple.

While I disagree with what the reverend did, calling him a terrorist is a bit far - not to mention that word is thrown around way too often. I'd prefer to label him as mentally unstable, possibly? He did author Islam Is The Devil by the way (it always reminds me of The Waterboy).

Anyone who wants to kill someone over their "holy book" being burned needs some serious mental help as well. And, of all the people to get revenge from, folks from the U.N.?

These Muslims further influence the negative image the West has of them, and are just as barbaric as the "kill team" that recently made the news.

well, if karzai kept his mouth shut, things wouldn't have been as bad.

"The Quran was burned March 20, but many Afghans only found out about it when Afghan President Hamid Karzai condemned the desecration four days later. The burning took place at the Dove Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, the same church where the Rev. Terry Jones had threatened to destroy a copy of the holy book last year but initially backed down."

news.yahoo.com...

so what is he trying to do?


i think this will come back and bite him in the butt.

reply to post by JRCrowley

You're a very, very confused individual. The actions of western nations in their constant intervention in the middle east, their perpetual military attacks, bombing, killing, raping, pillaging, torturing, murdering, stealing... you give everyone else a pass. Interesting.

The actions of western nations in the Germany in 1945, their their perpetual military attacks, bombing, killing, raping, pillaging, torturing murdering, stealing.. You give them a pass. Interesting.

See?
Learn the difference between justified war liberating a country from oppresive regime that kills its own citizens (nazism, Taliban..) and unjustified invasion into peaceful country (such as islamic invasion into Dagestan). Violence justifies use of violence to stop it.

And when you call them these "people". What does that mean? What is your categorization, really?

Isnt it obvious? I mean religious extremists/fundamentalists.

You are just so confused.

lol Dont try to picture yourself like you have some hidden knowledge, its ridiculous. I am just consistent in my logic.

By that logic, the Chinese should be attacking the U.S. and the U.K. right now. And those are just to start. Those two countries are responsible - BY FAR - for the worst human rights atrocities and violations of the past 2 decades.

Dont be ridiculous. Prove your claim. Are you saying basic human rights of citizens of US and UK are being systematically violated, like for example under Taliban regime? How exactly is US and UK directly responsible for human rights violations elsewhere in the world, for example in afghanistan? (hint:some collateral damage in fights against religious extremists is OK, since the only alternative is return of the Taliban regime, which would be far more against basic human rights. Its lesser necessary evil).
The only thing I can think of is that they quietly support illegal Israeli occupation in Palestine. But thats only indirect, and there is really no alternative, since Israel has nukes, so its understandable. And you cannot really compare Israeli occupation regime with Taliban either.




And just to add, if the US and UK are indeed as bad as you describe, liberating invasion would be a right course of action.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


"Really?... is that why most tribes in Iraq united to fight Al Qaeda, and other FOREIGN Islamic extremists?... "

..lol.. ever consider US troops are seen as foreign?, and extremists?

The local people in Af-pak-iraq-istan areas are still attacking foreign troops & interests for one basic and obvious reason: They're not inspired to jump on the "Team America" bandwagon.. because they know, just like we do, GOP & DNC politicians are untrustworthy liars full of crap.

reply to post by brewing


Wonder how much sympathy there would be if Westerners start killing Muslims for the burning of our symbols like our flags.

reply to post by brewing



grab a couple afgan good ol' taliban boy's and set em down around conroe texas, with a flag and bible, some lighter fluid and some matches.

no interpreter and we see if they want to burn that flag and bible.

Originally posted by GovtFlu
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

"Really?... is that why most tribes in Iraq united to fight Al Qaeda, and other FOREIGN Islamic extremists?... "

..lol.. ever consider US troops are seen as foreign?, and extremists?

The local people in Af-pak-Iraq-istan areas are still attacking foreign troops & interests for one basic and obvious reason: They're not inspired to jump on the "Team America" bandwagon.. because they know, just like we do, GOP & DNC politicians are untrustworthy liars full of crap.

Actually in Iraq US troops are never attacked any more the Iraqis see them as there defenders. Biggest problem in Iraq is there killing each other over religion.In the end the Iraqis will be OK they don't want to have this violence continue and in the end they will win.

Afghanistan on the other hand has all ways been a lost cause and will all ways be. They are incredibly back wards in there beliefs and well quite frankly the country is a hell hole. Picture the old west with AK 47s. Very little law enforcement and guns decide who's in charge. Ive seen entire villages change just by who comes in one minute pro US next Taliban, The Afghan people are a beaten people they look at the world as difficulties to over come and there not willing to do things to change it. But in there defense Afghanistan has known nothing but war for hundreds of years and thats why i guess they don't try to change things.

Originally posted by Konah

Originally posted by brewing
Anyone who wants to kill someone over their "holy book" being burned needs some serious mental help as well. And, of all the people to get revenge from, folks from the U.N.?

Terry Jones (I refuse to refer to him as a "Reverend") knew innocent people would get killed, they have threatened that. I'm not arguing what they did is right. Those people have no money or I'm sure they would come here and take care of the issue personally with this guy. Terry Jones knew exactly what the results of this would be. However, he still choose to do it knowing it wouldn't be him that suffered the that result. I don't think Terry Jones has any mental issues...he is a big coward though. Got something to say? Say it directly to the people you have a problem with, don't cower back here in the usa with police protection and all that.

Put him on a plane and send him to Afghanistan. Guarantee he would be singing Allah's praises the first hour after touchdown. It won't help him though. They'll have his head on a stick in no time. I'd cheer them on.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I'm trying, but for the life of me I can't see what your post has to do with mine. It' like you quoted me and then just started ranting about something unrelated.

Yeah, it's hard to believe because they really weren't resorting to violence over the Danish cartoons or murdered a Dutch director for painting Islam in a negative light. No siree, they were fighting European oppression. They totally don't resort to violence or threats of violence for people who mock Islam. Salman Rushdie, who's that? What the hell is South Park?

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Darkrunner

 

Yeah, it's a lot easier to ignore all the innocent people that die in war by dehumanizing them isn't it?

Just calling a spade a spade. Anyone that murders and riots over a cartoon or someone burning a book is of inferior intelligence. I'm all for culling people like this from the human race.

next time I hear of some muslim destroying or insulting christians. Im gonna head to the nearest muslim area and top a couple of these assholes.

This is just a question...Could this actually get worse? I mean would/ could the PTB use this as fodder for reducing our rights even further?? However, unlikely...Look at THIS .......If Karzai really thinks that we will alter our First Amendment rights because he has no control over his situation, he has no understanding of a free Democracy. I guarantee... many more people would die here over this "right", than would ever over his book...

IMO, I don't think this would happen.... but it IS interesting to start seeing this kind of stuff start being posted in the MSM.

Originally posted by GovtFlu

..lol.. ever consider US troops are seen as foreign?, and extremists?

The local people in Af-pak-iraq-istan areas are still attacking foreign troops & interests for one basic and obvious reason: They're not inspired to jump on the "Team America" bandwagon.. because they know, just like we do, GOP & DNC politicians are untrustworthy liars full of crap.

heh?... Is that why most tribes in Iraq have united and are fighting WITH coalition forces to get al qaeda forces?... I made my point by posting facts, not opinions.

We even had Iraqi people fight against insurgents/including al qaeda because they are tired of these "freedom fighters", as some people thousands of miles away call them, killing Iraqis...

Iraqi insurgents targeting barbers
A bomb rips through a women's hair salon, shattering wall-length mirrors and shredding posters of various coiffures. In another neighborhood, gunmen...

By Monte Morin

Los Angeles Times


BAGHDAD, Iraq — A bomb rips through a women's hair salon, shattering wall-length mirrors and shredding posters of various coiffures.

In another neighborhood, gunmen fire wildly into a busy barbershop, killing the owner and three teenage boys as they wait for haircuts.

At yet another shop, a masked visitor presses a note into the palm of a horrified haircutter. The message: "Our swords are thriving for the neck of barbers."

Iraq's insurgency has long targeted other Iraqis — police, government leaders and national guardsmen — as a means of destabilizing the nascent democracy, but now guerrillas have taken aim at a far more unlikely line of work.
...

seattletimes.nwsource.com...

Iraqi Civilians Fight Back Against Insurgents
By ROBERT F. WORTH

Published: March 23, 2005

BAGHDAD, Iraq, March 22 - Ordinary Iraqis rarely strike back at the insurgents who terrorize their country. But just before noon on Tuesday, a carpenter named Dhia saw a troop of masked gunmen with grenades coming toward his shop here and decided he had had enough.

As the gunmen emerged from their cars, Dhia and his young relatives shouldered their Kalashnikov rifles and opened fire, the police and witnesses said. In the fierce gun battle that followed, three of the insurgents were killed, and the rest fled just after the police arrived. Two of Dhias nephews and a bystander were wounded, the police said.

"We attacked them before they attacked us," said Dhia, 35, his face still contorted with rage and excitement, as he stood barefoot outside his home a few hours after the battle, a 9-millimeter pistol in his hand. He would not give his last name.

"We killed three of those who call themselves the mujahedeen," he said. "I am waiting for the rest of them to come, and we will show them."
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www.nytimes.com...

What were you saying?

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Fundamentalist Muslims want you converted to Fundamentalist Islam, or dead. They want Moderate Muslims dead. They want every religion to convert or die.

Draw a picture of Mohammed, they want to kill you. Insult Mohammed in any way, they want to kill you. Be a woman and wear pants, they want to kill you. Be a woman and get raped, they want to kill you. Not wear a face covering or head covering, they want to kill you. Insult the Qur'an in any way or claim that it is not flawless, they want to kill you. Try and leave the fundamentalist Muslim religion, ...well...you get the point.

If we let these goons try and use fear to change our laws, then they have won and we have lost. Burning the Qur'an is NOT the same as yelling fire in a crowded theater. It IS the same as burning a piece of paper with words on it, and having people try and kill you for doing it. Nothing more, nothing less. It sucks that their beliefs clash with our freedoms, it really does but SORRY! Fundamentalist Islam is what needs to change into moderate Islam, NOT American laws becoming Sharia Laws.

Oh and if you think this is bad now, just wait until May 20th. May 20th is "Everybody draw Mohammed Day".
en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by idonotcollectstamps


The Muslims in those pictures are extremely poor, and beaten down by their own governments who indoctrinate them from birth to believe that the west is the source of all their troubles. It has nothing to do with their religion being more violent than others, many of those ancient books glorified violence. It's their level of poverty and hopelessness channeled into fanatacism, extreme anger, and hatred. Look at the most poverty stricken areas here in the U.S. even, they are extremely violent. Muslims raised in 1st world countries generally act and behave as we do. They think the extremists are idiots too, but many are probably too busy living their lives, and raising their children to have to come out and make a statement of condemnation every time some group of brainwashed fools with nothing to lose snap and kill people. I don't see people demanding Christians come out and condemn the actions of abortion clinic bombers, the Westminster Baptist Church, the orthodox christian Serbs that raped and massacred thousands of innocent people, etc.

I watched that CNN show the other day about the people against the building of the mosque in TN. Those inbred fools were so extremely ignorant and disingenuous, it made me sick and embarrassed of this country to watch it. Either we have freedom of religion, or we don't. The door swings both ways, atheists and agnostics could start trying to legally block the building of churches too, since Christians have been known to kill because of their religious beliefs. I'm agnostic, and despise organized religion and think the world would be much better off without it, but I would never want to force that belief on others. People have a personal right to worship as they please, as long as they don't harm anybody.

Originally posted by 27jd
reply to post by idonotcollectstamps

 

The Muslims in those pictures are extremely poor, and beaten down by their own governments who indoctrinate them from birth to believe that the west is the source of all their troubles. It has nothing to do with their religion being more violent than others, many of those ancient books glorified violence. It's their level of poverty and hopelessness channeled into fanatacism, extreme anger, and hatred.

yes.... because you know each one of those people personally.....

Im sorry 27jd.... YOU DON'T KNOW THEM, and therefore you invalidate everything you ASSUME....

if you come back with proof and are alive, not in a pine box..... you might change my mind

Originally posted by longtermproject
yes.... because you know each one of those people personally.....

Not sure what you think my point was. I wasn't saying all those in the pictures are kind, reasonable individuals. I was saying that the reasons they are how they are, is because they live in poverty, which is true, and that they are indoctrinated from birth into extremism and hatred of the west by design, which is also true. Those facts are documented, and readily proven. The same thing happens here, and has pretty much happened in all civilizations. Our leaders easily brainwash this population into fearing some far away bogey men, if it's not communists, it's islamofacists, etc. and not paying attention to who is really screwing us over. It's sad people are so easy to manipulate, on both sides of this staged conflict. It's also true, and documented that the leaders of both sides meet behind closed doors, have sleep overs, and party together. But, somehow people completely overlook that.

if you come back with proof and are alive, not in a pine box..... you might change my mind

How do you mean? I'm not sure what you thought I was saying...