Afghan mob storms UN office, kills 8, beheads 2

reply to post by brewing


It doesn't look like anyone has brought this up in a minute, mostly because they are busy arguing, but it is my understanding that the guy didn't actually burn the korans.

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Ask the mod? I don't know.

Originally posted by RSF77
It doesn't look like anyone has brought this up in a minute, mostly because they are busy arguing, but it is my understanding that the guy didn't actually burn the korans.

He did, he staged a mock trial, and they burnt it. Here's the video...

www.good.is...

I can't believe a room full of adults actually engaged in such stupidity, but that's the thing about freedom of speech. They have every right to do it, no matter how stupid it is.

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by RSF77
It doesn't look like anyone has brought this up in a minute, mostly because they are busy arguing, but it is my understanding that the guy didn't actually burn the korans.

He did, he staged a mock trial, and they burnt it. Here's the video...

www.good.is...

I can't believe a room full of adults actually engaged in such stupidity, but that's the thing about freedom of speech. They have every right to do it, no matter how stupid it is.

They will end up banning or outlawing these kinds of "demonstrations" because of the consequences that result from doing them.
Those psychos in Afghanistan, murdered people that had absolutely nothing to do with it, they werent even Americans but they dont care, they werent muslim and thats all that mattered to them.

Originally posted by soleprobe
This is a perfect example of how evil the western powers and those who work for them are. Imagine a military from a Islamic regime occupying Canada for 10 years and murdering hundreds of thousands of Canadian civilians

Yeah - or Spain for 800 years... or the Levant for 1300 years or something along those lines. Preposterous notion, isn't it? EVERYONE knows muslims don't invade foreign places and enforce their religion at sword point. They're a peaceful bunch, Bush said so!

It's us damned Americans who have the monopoly on that sort of behavior. We ARE the evil in the world. No one else can even get a foot in the invasion door anymore since we took the whole damned planet over (btw everybody watch your six, more on the way - we just can't get enough of conquest).

I just don't know where these people get the notion that a muslim could successfully invade his own bathroom, much less a foreign place It's not like they've had any practice at invasions or violent behavior.

Nope. It's all the US.

Originally posted by TriForce
Those psychos in Afghanistan, murdered people that had absolutely nothing to do with it, they werent even Americans but they dont care, they werent muslim and thats all that mattered to them.

I agree, they were definitely the most in the wrong in this story. They're like rabid dogs, and should be put down. I just don't think that's any reason to treat all muslims as if they are capable of that (not that you are suggesting that, just making the point again). There are many muslims living here in the U.S., yet we have had very few terrorist attacks since 9/11, with the exception of a few lone wolves. There have been more plain crazy people who've snapped than muslims, even with the ongoing wars in the M.E. and Afghanistan.

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by longtermproject
yes.... because you know each one of those people personally.....

Not sure what you think my point was. I wasn't saying all those in the pictures are kind, reasonable individuals. I was saying that the reasons they are how they are, is because they live in poverty, which is true, and that they are indoctrinated from birth into extremism and hatred of the west by design, which is also true. Those facts are documented, and readily proven. The same thing happens here, and has pretty much happened in all civilizations. Our leaders easily brainwash this population into fearing some far away bogey men, if it's not communists, it's islamofacists, etc. and not paying attention to who is really screwing us over. It's sad people are so easy to manipulate, on both sides of this staged conflict. It's also true, and documented that the leaders of both sides meet behind closed doors, have sleep overs, and party together. But, somehow people completely overlook that.

if you come back with proof and are alive, not in a pine box..... you might change my mind

How do you mean? I'm not sure what you thought I was saying...

the way you have it worded made it sound as if you know that is how these people are.... not all of these anti govt extremists are poor..... in fact some of them are pretty rich, and own nicer cars than americans do.

This seems to be all part of the old plan that’s been in the works going back more than 100 years to create war between Christians and Muslims, bring in WWIII and from its ashes global government.

The outrage and protest may really be over the 10-year brutal occupation and as I said earlier may have been sparked by those “leaked Kill Team" trophy photos:

A well-planned military Intel-op to purposely release the “Kill Team” photos to enrage Afghans and then when they respond blame it on the loner-nut book burner to further incite enmity between Christians and Muslims. After all… isn’t that what many of these posts are about in response to this incident… hatred towards one group or the other? I see very few stepping back to try to analyze the big picture and are fueling the frenzy…. intentionally or unintentionally.

Originally posted by longtermproject
not all of these anti govt extremists are poor..... in fact some of them are pretty rich, and own nicer cars than americans do.

Not all of them, but the majority by far. They're not really anti-govt I don't think, they're just anti-anything that goes against the only thing they were ever taught in that region. It's not an excuse for their actions, but it is a reason.

Now, the Muslims that live here, I do know many personally. And they're good people who's religion, like many Christians, is only a part of who they are. Over there, it's everything to them and they're brainwashed from birth by the most strict and oppressive interpretations. The bible could just as easily be used in that way, and I'm sure there are many Christians who would be angered to violence if you burned a bible in front of them.

Originally posted by soleprobe
The outrage and protest may really be over the 10-year brutal occupation and as I said earlier may have been sparked by those “leaked Kill Team" trophy photos:

I still disagree with this. As horrific as those kill team photos were to us, over there I think they almost respect that kind of brutality. They've been living under the Taliban, watching women be stoned to death and executed on playgrounds with AK's.

Here is a photo from the protest in Pakistan, that spread to Afghanistan. Not sure if you saw it when I posted it before, but it makes it pretty clear that the burning is what they are protesting...



But, I do agree about the division of our civilizations being intentional. If not to incite war, just to keep people hating and fearing an outside enemy while the politicians and elitists on both sides screw us all royally and live like kings.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by -W1LL


as a matter of fact they do have sat TV. how else would they know all of our sins?

I think you misunderstand my point. I'm not saying television doesnt exist in Aghanistan. I was responding to the Amero-centric poster who was blaming the "MSM/PTB" for this, and questioning whether that poster thinks the average Afghan sits down to watch Keith Olbermana and Fox and Friends.

Yawn, this is why I think the USA is better off being semi-isolationist's. When the chips are down everyone is our enemy. As for Afghanistan, the country should of been razed to the ground from the beginning.

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by soleprobe
The outrage and protest may really be over the 10-year brutal occupation and as I said earlier may have been sparked by those “leaked Kill Team" trophy photos:

I still disagree with this. As horrific as those kill team photos were to us, over there I think they almost respect that kind of brutality. They've been living under the Taliban, watching women be stoned to death and executed on playgrounds with AK's.

Here is a photo from the protest in Pakistan, that spread to Afghanistan. Not sure if you saw it when I posted it before, but it makes it pretty clear that the burning is what they are protesting...



But, I do agree about the division of our civilizations being intentional. If not to incite war, just to keep people hating and fearing an outside enemy while the politicians and elitists on both sides screw us all royally and live like kings.

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Ever stop and think that maybe, just maybe, most people don't like most other people? If the citizenry of every nation had it's way immigration would be 0%(atleast in Western nations).

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What a bunch of goddamn savages. Everytime I hear about something like this it just makes me so angry. Those people over there deserve to live in their little third world s h it box. Some people burn a quran, and they kill people over it? No one in the middle east wants peace. Its a big joke. Even where people are rising up like Egypt, Lybia, ect. In the end, they'll all kill eachother over their religious beliefs. And of course the U.S. will just have to intervene because we cant stand by and let these attrocities happen. And thats the biggest joke of all. Im sick of hearing about all this war, and Im sick of hearing about third world morons who dont know they're ass from a hole in the ground. Just let them all kill eachother, and lets stay out of it. Or nuke the bastards and turn that whole part of the world into a big pile of glass. I dont care if I offended anyone. Thats how I feel, and Ive never posted anything like this before. I had to say something though. If ATS wants to delete my account over the language so be it. I love ATS, but I had to say what I had to say. My opinion. At least I didnt cut anyone's head off over it.

Originally posted by korathin
Ever stop and think that maybe, just maybe, most people don't like most other people? If the citizenry of every nation had it's way immigration would be 0%(atleast in Western nations).

No. Because most people don't feel that way. Humans are social creatures, not tarantulas or snakes. We work as teams, and depend on each other for survival for the most part. In my experience, it's only the deeply religious segments of any population that are xenophobic and want to isolate themselves from and even kill anybody who doesn't live and think exactly as they do. Alot of people don't want there to be any borders, and would love to see the entire human race work together to knock down the elitists who benefit from our division, and to be able to go to any place on earth without being seen as an outsider who isn't welcome. I know, that's a lofty pie in the sky dream. But only because of the brainwashed religious and bigoted people all over the world who fight tooth and nail to keep us all divided for the benefit of their masters.

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I agree. It just seems odd to me that if they rioting for any of those reasons to cover it up by saying it's due to the burning, seems unnecessary.

That being said, it still seems very odd to me that more Afghans seem to have found out about it than people within the same country, who were completely in the dark that the event ever took place. I saw nothing about it, either in national or foreign media until the rioting started, with the burning being the justification.

Originally posted by searching4truth
That being said, it still seems very odd to me that more Afghans seem to have found out about it than people within the same country, who were completely in the dark that the event ever took place. I saw nothing about it, either in national or foreign media until the rioting started, with the burning being the justification.

The demonstrations against the burning started in Pakistan. It spread to Afghanistan from there, but Pakistan is a much more technologically advanced country and I'm sure there are fundamentalist elements in the ISI that look for every way they can to incite this type of thing. They were probably monitoring Jone's site. We didn't know about it here, because here the guy is a joke. I posted an image a few posts up, clearly showing they were protesting the burning of the book.

I knew it wouldnt take long for some politician to come after the 1st amendment, using this as an excuse. Of course this was just a catalyst, they could care less about those poor UN people, none of which were from the US.
Way to uphold the laws of the US and the Constitution, Senator Lindsey Graham.

Originally posted by 27jd

The demonstrations against the burning started in Pakistan. It spread to Afghanistan from there, but Pakistan is a much more technologically advanced country and I'm sure there are fundamentalist elements in the ISI that look for every way they can to incite this type of thing. They were probably monitoring Jone's site. We didn't know about it here, because here the guy is a joke. I posted an image a few posts up, clearly showing they were protesting the burning of the book.

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Do you have anything about the Pakistan riots? I tried googling it and all that came up for me was Afghanistan, damn google, I clearly typed Pakistan ? Or at least where you saw it.

I wonder why Pakistan isn't receiving any or much coverage.

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Ah, sarcasm. That's original.

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Here's a picture of the rioters in Afghanistan, also making it clear why they are demonstrating with their banner reading: "We strongly condemn the infidels disrespecting against our Islamic believes and their cruel on Islamic nations." and "There is no God but Allah and Mohammad is his messenger".





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Perhaps this will finally put to rest this notion that these riots have nothing to do with the koran burning...

Here's an interesting point of view regarding the cause of violence during the riots, one that I had a feeling about myself, and pointed out earlier in the thread that there may be extremist elements behind this who want to see this type thing happen.

There's certainly no denying that Jones' Quran-burning stunt has begotten anger. Nor is it a surprise. Similarities abound to the deadly protests in 2006 that followed in the wake of a series of Danish political cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammad. However, the widely reported narrative about the protests -- particularly the idea that a straight line can be drawn from Terry Jones to this weekend's violence -- may be too simple. The Los Angeles Times reported today that while the demonstrations themselves were an organic response to the Quran burning, the acts of violence might actually have been instigated by Taliban operatives with the express purpose of subverting otherwise-peaceful protests.

Both Afghan and Western officials cited mounting evidence that insurgents had seized the opportunity to infiltrate crowds of demonstrators in both Kandahar and Mazar-i-Sharif, concealing themselves among those who otherwise might have marched relatively peacefully.

[One U.N. official] said the three Europeans who died in the Mazar-i-Sharif compound were not victims of random mob violence but were hunted down in the bunker where they had taken refuge. Afghan officials, who have made dozens of arrests in connection with the assault, said evidence so far suggested that the main instigators were allied with the insurgency.
www.salon.com.../news/feature/2011/04/04/afghan_quran_burning_protests_taliban