Tripoli Shock: Minders Snatch 'Rape Victim'

reply to post by Soshh


See? She CAN make a sad face, she just wasnt a good enough actress to do so throughout the scene. And see? You CAN recognize a sad face when you see one. Apparently, you just dont think the total LACK of one while someone is recounting their horrible tale of woe and crying out in outrage is odd. And I do.

Botox was the only possible way she could have been telling the truth with that little face engagement in the hotel. And you just ruled that out.

There IS a mark on her face as she is leaving the hotel. And, rewatching the tape, it is hard to see that side of her face in the hotel, they are filming her primarily on the other side, so it COULD have been there from the outset. Or it could have been caused while people were trying to shut her up in the hotel.

Who knows. I still have my money on this is a deception. Hopefully, the truth will come out in some concrete unambiguous way. Because if I am wrong, I would like to know it. But it will take hard evidence to change my mind at this point, because the evidence SHE is presenting is so strongly against this being true.

Originally posted by GovtFlu
Total propaganda.. laughable.

If a democrat rapes a woman, was she violated by an "obama supporter", or one of his "henchmen".. lol does it also mean obama doesn't care about his people?.. heh.. maybe to a GOP clone it does.

Mentioning gaddafis name in regard to every crime is getting a little silly, whats next?.. "child carrying puppy killed in x-walk, a blatant hit & run by gadaffi henchmen and a sure sign gadaffi hates puppies.. a rebel leader, fighting for justice & freedom from evil gaddafi, was quoted as saying he adores puppies and gaddafi is known to bite the heads off kittens and gaddafi is a notorious litterbug too"

Well done!
Vicky

Originally posted by Jepic
What's even sicker is the people that allowed her to be taken away... Maybe "shock and awe" is justified when it's done to this people...

Well, you've fallen for it, as planned! I shall say no more.
V.

Originally posted by Laurauk
A lttle updateon the article:

The son of a high-ranking Libyan police officer is thought to be among five people arrested after a woman claimed she was raped and tortured by men connected to Colonel Gaddafi's regime

In a conversation with Sky News, Libya's deputy foreign minister Khalid Kaim said the men were being detained as part of a criminal investigation into the rape allegations made by Iman al-Obeidi.

What else I read from what he said while being interviewed,basically she will not be allowed in front of the camera, until she decants her story. Or supposingly the male figures of her family are invovled, in other words either no one will see her again or she will say she made the whole thing up.

Stil at least there is footage of proof off what lengths those in Lybia will go to to silence criticisers of Gaddafe's regimme.

Sky News Update

SKY News - Rupert Murdoch - yeah, there's reliable! (As Radio NZ described him this morning "the American-Australian tycoon"... )
I discount everything I hear from his media outlets.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by Soshh

 

See? She CAN make a sad face, she just wasnt a good enough actress to do so throughout the scene. And see? You CAN recognize a sad face when you see one. Apparently, you just dont think the total LACK of one while someone is recounting their horrible tale of woe and crying out in outrage is odd. And I do.

I wasn't being serious; I shouldn't have to point out a sad face. But yes I can recognise an unhappy face and in my opinion she looked genuinely distressed throughout.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
There IS a mark on her face as she is leaving the hotel. And, rewatching the tape, it is hard to see that side of her face in the hotel, they are filming her primarily on the other side, so it COULD have been there from the outset. Or it could have been caused while people were trying to shut her up in the hotel.

The bruise is clearly visible at 6-8 seconds, at 14 seconds, at 20 and 23-24 seconds, before it kicked off. Also, the first picture I posted was taken while she was sat on the white chair in the hotel.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Hopefully, the truth will come out in some concrete unambiguous way.

I hope so too.

reply to post by Zamini


"You must also pay attention to your fellow humans, their voice, body language, their plight. "

Funny thing is I spent 15+ years listening to my fellow humans investigating their claims in an "official" capacity.. many people are LIARS, con artists, sociopaths and generally soulless urchins who con the gullible. If you ever get to tour a jail/prison, take a poll of inmates who swear they're innocent.. or were framed.

I listened to many sob stories of rape and or 'sexual battery' that, although convincing, ended up being something else.. business disputes, lovers quarrels, revenge.. motivations vary.

One thing nobody knows is her motivation, one thing we all know.. there are war monger "powers that be" with a motivation to make gadaffi look bad.

Her plight & story might be more credible and believable if gadaffis name hadn't been mentioned as if he personally had something to do with it.. I don't see US troops characterized as "obama forces", blackwater called "obamas DNC henchmen", or obamas name mentioned every time a registered democrat gets accused of rape.

..but go ahead.. trust your govt, believe what what the media tells you.. please, I encourage it.. getting punked builds character.

reply to post by Laurauk

Look at what happened in Iraq, with the raping and killing of that teenager and her family, that was not false, that was proven to be true. And other abuse carried out by both american and british forces, as well as iraqi insurgents.

And what did all the fighting there accomplish, are they any freer now, and are there less rape's going on now, then there were before. Because if there is then i would call that at least worth something, but if not, then pick your poison.

Look at the abuse of Afghnistany civillians, which have been proven to be true, not false. There might be other abuses,on both sides which are going unreported,which both sides will try and cover up.

And so it will be till the end of time.


But again I did not say that it is fake and staged, only that it can be staged and faked, so time will tell. But I believe people will forget about this and move on to something else, so just saying to keep track of it.

Originally posted by Soshh

I can see bruises in the pictures and the bruise on the left side of her face is easily visible in the videos.

I can't see videos, but I've seen the stills in the Willy Loman article, and for the life of me, I can't see any bruises. Sorry!
Vicky

Originally posted by ShadowAngel85
reply to post by AdamsMurmur

 

Why always Rape? Because it's the easiest 'weapon' males can use. To show they're in power, they rape women. Systematically rapings of women is a normality in war. It happened everywhere, all the time. It would be surprising if Gaddafi and his men don't make such things and take "advantages" and do such horrible things.
IF you really believe, this ia propaganda video with actors you're either very naive and think things as rape don't happen or just *snip* stupid.

The Video looks very reall, you can't fake such emotions and besides, i don't wanna know how many women got raped in Lybia since Gaddafi is in charge. It's the same as with the other Bastard Hussein in Iraq.
Those crazy sons of bitches just need to die.

edit on 26-3-2011 by gallopinghordes because: please don't circumvent our censors.

The easiest weapon= a bullet.

I really loathe feminist's, a bunch of bigots... The only time rape was ever used expressly as a weapon of terror(on record) was when a feminist(Pauline Nyiramasuhuko[feminist friendly google seems to have whitewashed the fact that this monster was a feminist]) suggested it be used as a weapon. Normally it has been used as a weapon of genocide(men and boy's get butchered while the women and girls are raped to breed out an ethnicity, so who has it worse? The person who had their testicles tied to a rope+motorcycle and ripped off, left to bleed out or the person who was raped? Everyone is a victim of war so shove off on your feminine divine BS).

As for Gaddafi and his soldiers, they are doing it because they can. These are cold, heartless, evil people. More like animals then humans. But biologically they are human and have human desires. Add in the fact they probably have a low IQ, no conscience and free-reign to do whatever they want.............. I hope the Rebels execute anyone and everyone that worked directly for Gaddafi's regime. They deserve no less for their savagery.


www.the-dissident.com...
www.racematters.org...

Originally posted by korathin


I really loathe feminist's, a bunch of bigots...

Sorry, your remark makes you look like the bigot here...

Originally posted by korathin
The only time rape was ever used expressly as a weapon of terror(on record) was when a feminist(Pauline Nyiramasuhuko[feminist friendly google seems to have whitewashed the fact that this monster was a feminist]) suggested it be used as a weapon.

I simply don't believe you.

Originally posted by korathin As for Gaddafi and his soldiers, they are doing it because they can. These are cold, heartless, evil people. More like animals then humans. But biologically they are human and have human desires. Add in the fact they probably have a low IQ, no conscience and free-reign to do whatever they want.............. I hope the Rebels execute anyone and everyone that worked directly for Gaddafi's regime. They deserve no less for their savagery.

This foaming-at-the-mouth lunacy is one of the reasons why I don't believe you. You seem to me the kind of person who was saying the same thing about Saddam Hussein and Iraqis 8 years back, and Afghanis 10 years ago, and will be saying it about oh, say Venezuelans or Cubans, or even Puerto Ricans in 5 years time! Depending on what stories you're fed!

reply to post by korathin


"As for Gaddafi and his soldiers, they are doing it because they can. These are cold, heartless, evil people. More like animals then humans. "

Please name ONE thing "Gaddafi and his soldiers" have done.. that "bush, & obama and their soldiers" HAVEN'T?.. Then name ONE thing Libyan troops have done that is uniquely cruel & unusual relative to ALL soldiers sent to war..

btw... who is responsible for more innocent dead people: gadaffi or US politicians?.

(hears Twilight Zone music in head)
US/bush torture is righteous, gadaffi torture is heartless
Patriotic Libyans fighting for their country = animals, patriotic Americans who do the same = heroes
gadaffi is cold, heartless and evil.. bush / cheney / obama are warm'n fuzzy cuddly globs of virtue, peace, love and sunshine.

reply to post by GovtFlu

Funny thing is I spent 15+ years listening to my fellow humans investigating their claims in an "official" capacity.. many people are LIARS, con artists, sociopaths and generally soulless urchins who con the gullible. If you ever get to tour a jail/prison, take a poll of inmates who swear they're innocent.. or were framed.

So now that other means of logic have failed you compare this womans emotions to that of convicted criminals. Good for you.

I listened to many sob stories of rape and or 'sexual battery' that, although convincing, ended up being something else.. business disputes, lovers quarrels, revenge.. motivations vary.

*Sigh* that is completely irrelevant and those people were complete psycopaths to do it out of those motivations. You have not SPOKEN to the woman in this case, YET, you claim that she is a psycopath...all because of the fact that what? The "government lies"? Of course the government lies...

One thing nobody knows is her motivation

Really? Seriously? Are you that deluded?

one thing we all know.. there are war monger "powers that be" with a motivation to make gadaffi look bad.

Well why don't you defend every rape case with that excuse then? "There's this evil PTB that are making it look like women were raped so they can have wars." Do you even know how ridiculous that sounds? It reads as if Gadaffi could never do anything wrong and if he did or if his men did, it must be a plot by the West! That is, to simply and accurately put it, INSANE. And if that is what you really believe then you need help.

Her plight & story might be more credible and believable if gadaffis name hadn't been mentioned as if he personally had something to do with it..

Obviously, you are clueless.

I don't see US troops characterized as "obama forces",

Because you live on YOUR side of the fence. *sighs*

blackwater called "obamas DNC henchmen", or obamas name mentioned every time a registered democrat gets accused of rape.

There are a LOT of things that you are mixing up here...Obama has relatively little power over these groups you named(I thought you would understand this seeing as how anti-establishment you are...FYI, this is common knowledge). Gaddaffi is like god to the police force in Libya(since he rules the country like a dictator). Can't be bothered to explain more because you're obviously going to believe your viewpoint over everyone elses because of some off the shelf conspiracy theories.

..but go ahead.. trust your govt, believe what what the media tells you.. please, I encourage it.. getting punked builds character.

So wait a second...you are saying that this woman is US government? Or are you saying the COUNTLESS media are US government? Or are you saying that this woman is media hired by the US government? "getting punked builds character"? Please, you don't know the first about me or the first thing about character, so get off that horse. Second, you listen to your government as much as any average joe so don't hold any dilusional fantasies at heart. Third; STOP USING SENSELESS ARGUMENTS.

"Believe what the media tells you"

Cry more? Who says I believe what the MEDIA tells me? At least I'm intelligent enough to discern, you're stupid enough to throw the baby out with the bathwater....

#ing knowitalls...

reply to post by Soshh


No but on this link you can get pictures of her lifting her skirt almost to her crotch for the crowd and the press.

www.cbsnews.com...

Not only is that unlike the behavior you would expect of even a western women who has been sexually violated, it is also rather ............un Muslim like. And even the press is calling what she was showing them, "A scar" and scars dont tend to form in two days.


Edit to add;
www.cnsnews.com...

Tripoli, Libya (AP) - A Libyan woman who burst into a Tripoli hotel to tell foreign journalists how she was gang raped by Moammar Gadhafi's troops will face criminal charges, a government spokesman said on Tuesday.

Now the alleged rape victim is being charged with slander by some of the men she has accused. Good. It will be nice to see what comes of this in a court.

reply to post by Laurauk


They showed the entire clip on Fox News Bill O'Reilly.
A woman explained sharia law and how a woman must have 4 witnesses to a rape in order
to get justice. She believed what see saw.
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The video looked genuine to me. Maybe more woman will come forward and tell the truth.
The minder tried to get her out of there as soon as possible.
It's a public relations disaster for Qaddafi & Co.

Well, since the woman is a lawyer I'm now quite sure that she's for real. Because she KNOWS exactly what would happen to her in their system.

And this is the first step. She's only been raped if 4 of the guys raping her admit they raped her. What a great system - for the offenders. Because, 4 guys watching a rape are SURELY going to back up the person being raped.

Barbarians.

reply to post by Aeons


Her family has claimed that she is a lawyer, to counter the statements made by the Libyan spokesperson that according to their information she is a prostitute, but I havent yet seen confirmation of her being a lawyer.

If you have seen more than just her mothers claim that she is a lawyer could you please post the links?

Every regime in that area says a woman is a prostitute when she alleges rape. Women are never raped unless 4 men watched it happen and testify on her behalf. Libya is a signatory to the Islamic Charter of Human Rights, in which the lesser value of a woman's testimony is graven in Islamic Law.

No, I don't have that. But you have seen plenty of times these areas claim every woman is a prostitute. That's what you get from a system like that.

You are WAY too invested in her being a whore who lied or deserved it.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander

No but on this link you can get pictures of her lifting her skirt almost to her crotch for the crowd and the press.

www.cbsnews.com...

Not only is that unlike the behavior you would expect of even a western women who has been sexually violated, it is also rather ............un Muslim like. And even the press is calling what she was showing them, "A scar" and scars dont tend to form in two days.

She is lifting her skirt up to show the scarring on her thigh. Now, how much longer do you want to make a fool of yourself?

Now the alleged rape victim is being charged with slander by some of the men she has accused. Good. It will be nice to see what comes of this in a court.

You have no idea how these countries are run do you? Courts are jokes in these kind of cases...too much religion involved. But sure, you can go ahead and support a puppet regime...

Edit:
Wiki

Obeidi, born in 1982[10] or 1984/1985,[8][11] is a lawyer from Tobruk[3] who graduated from studying law at the Seventh of April University in Az Zawiyah,[2][10] and had been interning at a Tripoli law firm.[2]

If her story isn´t true, you should have the time on your hands to disprove it no?

reply to post by Aeons


No, Aeons, Im not just randomly supportive of men who rape women, nor am I randomly supportive of middle eastern countries, and I am also not randomly supportive of Gaddafi.

It is my personal and honest assessment that much of the information and videos coming out of Libya regarding atrocities committed by Gaddafi and his men are FAKE. Propaganda. They are an excuse for us to attack him, much like we used 9-11 as an excuse to attack Iraq.

I dont think all women who have been raped are liars. I think THIS woman is lying. I dont support the oppression of women in the mid east, but what you dont seem to allow yourself to be aware of is that in the countries the US has unjustly intervened in, WOMEN END UP WORSE OFF. Apparently you are missing that in a middle eastern country you have women waiters working in hotels, who arent covered from head to toe in a burqua.

If she actually IS a lawyer in graduate school, that says something about Gaddafis rule too. Something you cant say about a lot of the nations WE have interfered in, or are best buds with. Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and that is what is happening in Libya. Once again, the good intentions and kindness (and prejudices) of the average person is being played like a violin by those who have the wealth and access to the media to do so.

This woman is now facing criminal charges. For exposing her rapists names?

A Libyan woman who rushed into a Tripoli hotel in an attempt to tell foreign journalists her story of rape is now facing possible criminal charges herself, a government spokesman says.

A visibly distressed Eman al Obeidi had gone to the Tripoli hotel, where the media is based, shouting that she had been raped and tortured over two days after being picked up at a checkpoint in the capital.

What the hell is these idiots playing at. So you accuse someone of rape, and now you becme the one whom is charged. These guys need thier bollocks cut off.

Rape Claiment Woman Now The Accused