Tripoli Shock: Minders Snatch 'Rape Victim'

It doesn't matter to me if she was telling the truth or not - you saw how the Libyans reacted - government minders, hotel staff, and waiters. That was brutal and then they have the balls to come out and lie that she is being take care for a mental illness but they do not know who she is.

I've been against this from the start but human-animal hybrids don't deserve to live and these people are obviously half animal.

Well well. Seems like same kinda response here than in the other thread. Most people don't even stop to think for a second if it's real or not.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
Well well. Seems like same kinda response here than in the other thread. Most people don't even stop to think for a second if it's real or not.

What is not supposed to be real? Her story, or the mass of people abusing her, pulling guns on the journalists, and mad-handling her away? How many actors do you think are taking part in this?

By the way, who are we to condemn government minders? It seems we have our own.

reply to post by bandito


Cameras vs. guns? Exactly what were the media supposed to do in the situation?

I am laughing at how retarded those anti-west american bashers are looking over in the bodies planted by kaddafi thread. This story is pure gold, makes all the doubters look evil, uncaring, and braindead.

The only point I have been trying to make all along is that things are not always clear cut or black and white, I do not deny the woman was attacked, my question is by who.


The woman may have been a victim of the rebels claiming to be Gadafis men. How can you tell the difference between supporters and rebels? by a uniform which anyone can wear?

I recall a story about 2 British soldiers dressed like Arabs shooting at police in Basera, does this mean all police shootings are done by British soldiers? No
Does it prove that people pretend to be something they are not to cause public outrage, yes

reply to post by munkey66


Want to live in a dictatorship when your story is likely to get you dead to cover it up.

Fear of shame is outweighed by urge for survival.

I would absolutely head for the journalists - it's harder to kill me in full view of the World.

A lttle updateon the article:

The son of a high-ranking Libyan police officer is thought to be among five people arrested after a woman claimed she was raped and tortured by men connected to Colonel Gaddafi's regime

In a conversation with Sky News, Libya's deputy foreign minister Khalid Kaim said the men were being detained as part of a criminal investigation into the rape allegations made by Iman al-Obeidi.

What else I read from what he said while being interviewed,basically she will not be allowed in front of the camera, until she decants her story. Or supposingly the male figures of her family are invovled, in other words either no one will see her again or she will say she made the whole thing up.

Stil at least there is footage of proof off what lengths those in Lybia will go to to silence criticisers of Gaddafe's regimme.

Sky News Update

Here is the images,I tried post at the beginning of this Thread



And Another




As was perviously stated, if this is staged, this woman needs an oscar.

Originally posted by GovtFlu

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Obviously some of our more misogyny-inclined illiterate members need to learn to read a story or view the video before commenting. The woman was beaten by the Libyan security forces in a hotel lobby after she burst in a gathering of reporters. If this was all propaganda then what provoked such a harsh reaction?

Walk into the restaurant down the street from here and make a scene, you'll be bounced out by 2 out of work actors.

The woman was very likely taken down the street and shot. To downplay her plight by comparing it to a lesser confrontation back home to score a political point is disgusting.

reply to post by Zamini


"Really? And you watched the video? By that same reasoning a stranger on fire could scream fire, fire...and you wouldn't believe them because they are strangers with zero credibility... "

Someone on fire has flames, burning hair & melting flesh to bolster their credibility. This stranger has a story.

"So YOU did not see that woman, Nayirah, being gagged, beaten and dragged off in a car with tinted windows. RIGHT, I SEE HOW THE TWO OCCASIONS ARE PERFECTLY COMPARABLE. "

I also didn't see this alleged rape victim "gagged", "beaten" or, OMG!!... "dragged off" in a spooky gaddafi rape wagon with a nefarious window tint..

"How you can even compare the two is beyond me. Everyone should take great notice here...too much conspiracy theory will eventually cause cognitive dissonance and this is EXACTLY what you are experiencing. "

It's not a "conspiracy theory" a Kuwaiti emirs daughter delivered a scripted propaganda piece.. and that govt subservient MSM lackeys dutifully reported her lies.. lies that just so happened to conveniently bolster the war monger neo-clown narrative.

Thats only one example, a drop in the cesspool swamp of "official" bull# emanating from establishment sources.... trusting the MSM / Govt in search for the truth is a fools errand.

reply to post by clay2 baraka


"The woman was very likely taken down the street and shot. To downplay her plight by comparing it to a lesser confrontation back home to score a political point is disgusting. "

You have zero clue what "likely" happened to that person, were you there?.. or perhaps your opinion is qualified based on living in Libya and being uniquely familiar with locals?.. do tell of your personal experiences with gadaffi, his henchmen, thugs, and security forces...

What street was she "likely" taken down, who "likely" shot her, where was she "likely" shot, and what type of gun was "likely" used?.. lol..

Amazing how some of you folks 1000's of miles away are so sure what happened, or "likely" happened, on the other side of the planet because it was on the internet, and a high def head on the talking box made blah blah noises.

reply to post by Laurauk


Well, Im going to feel awful if I am wrong, but I just have to say everything I am seeing from the media on Libya looks and feels fake to me. Staged.

Im not a "psychic" person, but I am a pretty good bull# detector, and my bull# detector has been in high overdrive the whole Libya thing. Way worse even than the Iraq propaganda campaign, which I also knew while it was going on was fake.

Egypt felt real but manipulated, as if it were half and half. The Libya thing feels so fake it reads worse than a crappy soap opera to me.

Originally posted by Laurauk
Stil at least there is footage of proof off what lengths those in Lybia will go to to silence criticisers of Gaddafe's regimme.

Well, it actually isnt proof of that. Because we have no way of knowing those men really were, or who she really was.

For someone who has been raped and tortured for two days she is remarkably free of bruising or swelling on the face and hands. Not saying that is absolute PROOF she hasnt been, but rape victims often get roughed up a little, and she doesnt appear to be.

Her facial expressions in the pictures you have freeze framed show almost no forehead and brow engagement in the facial expression of grief.

Im just saying. Like all the videos of supposed horror coming out of Libya there is just a remarkable lack of ......horror. And oddly enough, we can find real gritty horrifying images of every other conflict on the planet including when Israel kills Palestinian children and Americans and those images are deliberately held back.

Just my take on it.

It seems unlikely that any western agency is going to be able to construct something like this in het middle of Tripoli, and have known Libyan Govt officials then comment on it.

the Libyan Govt spokesperson was reported by teh journo's saying that they will keep the press informed of the woman - "in a couple of days" I think was the term used on the TV report I saw yesterday.

That should be enough to fill her full of whatever they have, threaten her family & friends, and get her compliant....

but the idea that it is a western plant is inherently unliky due to the location, and needs a lot more evidence to sustain it than "I wouldn't put it past them".

I dont know. Im not the only one who isnt buying it.

willyloman.wordpress.com...

Directing notes:

1. When trying to stage events like this, make sure that your “victim hero” doesn’t look quite so eager to jump into the car with the perpetrators at the end of the production, as that tends to give away the staged and rehearsed quality of the performance.

If the “victim” had actually been gang raped by 15 “officials” of the Gadhafi regime, the LAST #ING THING SHE WOULD DO is jump quickly into the vehicle they own so they can gang-bang her again. She had an almost convincing act of sheer terror when the “official” showed up and kept her from having to answer questions about her ordeal, but then all of that falls to the wayside when she can barely get in the car fast enough so they can zoom away, presumably to the post-production party.

4. Make-up – if the script calls for a “broad bruise on her face” (New York Times) doesn’t it seem logical that the actress playing the part would have, say, a broad bruise on her face? CNN is reporting that “Her face was heavily bruised.” then they went on to say this “CNN could not independently verify her story but her injuries appeared consistent with what she said.”

Click on the image for a larger view. You tell me if those injuries verify her story or not. In fact, tell me if you see any injuries at all.

(See article for close up of face)

Its just doesnt play out right. The wait staff helping them get her out of there? Why? Even if I were afraid of Gaddafi, as a female waiter in an Islamic country I could at least stand back and do nothing. Why would I get hands on and try to shut her up when there are tons of "government people" there supposedly trained to do something. The hotel staff clearly did not seem as sympathetic to her tale of woe as we are meant to.

Edit to add, and in the second close up, intended to show the lack of bruising on her wrists, look at that facial expression. Not only does she not have the engagement of the muscles in her brow and between her eyes you would expect from someone crying and afraid and angry, she looks like she is smiling.

Honestly, she really isnt an academy award winning actress. Its just not convincing.

Further Edit, If you really are interested in whether or not this is a fake, read ALL the comments after his article and follow the links. He has some really good info, and he kicks some sock puppet ass.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


that isn't grief - that's terror.

reply to post by Laurauk

I am visibley shaken with anger here. What do other members make of this? Porpaganda by the western media. Or this is what Gadaffe is really doing to his people. Completely digusting to say the least.

It's really impossible to tell unless you get some sort of first person data, as in you were there, or you know all the variables and check them yourself to see if they are legit. From the video and what I know and seen of female types who go through such things, is that the last thing even in revenge and vindication or justice, the last thing that they would want is to be in front of the camera, or millions of people knowing, and her facial feature did not show worry or even much of a brow wrinkle, or real concern considering the situation she is in. Which is, if it is true then she wont see the light of day again, and she would most likely be kicking and screaming and would need to be dragged into that car.

But the thing is it could be real, but it can also be staged or scripted on more then a couple of levels. And seeing how this story was the first thing on the news that they showed today as I flipped the channels, and in light of the situation with Libya and the fact that as Sun Tzu said. "All war is deception" and the fact this type of deception has happened before as a member posted on the "The Kuwaiti Incubator Baby Hoax" story from another situation and time a few pages back, that has some similarities to this whole Libya rape thing, in its convenience and timing and the fact that it is a emotional subject for many people, that could be used in such a way as to deceive people, and gather popularity for another occupation that somebody will have to pay for.

Which really begs the question why are there always these type of stories coming down the wire every time they want to liberate a country and change a regime? I mean it is a bit suspicious that they seem to focus on the stories from the countries in question, and it's not like if this type of thing would not have happened before, I mean wouldn't we hear of stuff like this before? I mean wasn't Qaddafi in power for like 40 years, and not much of a peep about his atrocities and rape practices by his henchmen till now. It does raise some questions, does it not? I checked the google, on rapes that happened within the same day that they could of spent some time on but didnt hear a peep on from the news, but they were taking about this rape in Libya for a while. Here are the links I found in just the first page of checking.

This of a 11yr old girl that got raped in LA.
losangeles.cbslocal.com... e-search-for-suspect-in-sexual-assault-of-girl-11/

This of two 16yr old girls, that got raped and it happened at a party.
www.ledger-enquirer.com... -with-rape-at-oakland.html
Link won't take you to the story, just go to there home page and there search option and type in, rape at party. And it will take you there.

And this bizarre story of a 14yr old kid who apparently, well as from the link. "Police say Cervantes broke into the girl’s Vacaville home on Dec. 12, stabbed her 42 times and raped her and stabbed her 18-month-old brother. He then allegedly fell asleep at the home" Now that is bizarre.
sacramento.cbslocal.com... s-adult-for-rape-stabbing/

So as they say, nothing is at it seems, and unfortunately the world and everything in it is not so clear cut as good guy, and bad guy, It's all a bunch of gray areas in a lot, if not all cases. But who knows, it can go either way, and it's just another thing to keep track of see how this whole rape in Libya story turns out, and see if it goes anywhere, and if it is what the media portrays it to be, or if there is more to it.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


And if it is proof? Will you then admit that you are wrong?

Im am not saying that there is not propoganda on both sides here, not in the slightest. This to me just disturbs me what has happenned to this woman. Are they going to allow her to speak in front of a camera after this, shall we never see her again. That is my concerns.

And One knows that there is more to Lybia, than just protecting the civillian your not telling me something new. I have stated before,wehave no right to become invovled in another countries affairs.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


You cannot play that card what so ever.

Look at what happened in Iraq, with the raping and killing of that teenager and her family, that was not false, that was proven to be true. And other abuse carried out by both american and british forces, as well as iraqi insurgents.

Look at the abuse of Afghnistany civillians, which have been proven to be true, not false.

There might be other abuses,on both sides which are going unreported,which both sides will try and cover up.