OMG! FYI, the OED is like all TMI. Can we still be BFF? LOL.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by Crakeur

 

That is amazing, you are going to have to modify the T&C now to include a warning for a NO line post.

LOL.......wait I mean that made me laugh.......Laughing now
Regards, Iwinder

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


but you did understand the entire context right? what's great is that the post was well over 1000 words but, since we can now do everything without typing anything, you can surmise what I was saying and, if you're wrong, so what.

it's not like a typo or confusion amongst varying language styles can cause chaos or misunderstandings and it certainly isn't like miscommunication on any level can result in war

Originally posted by Atlantican
The thing is that the OMG, LOL, FYI etc are actually NOT dumbed down language, in my opinion. It's irritating as hell but it's not at all dumb. Consider it COMPRESSION. Squeezing more ideas / words etc into a smaller space. If anything it's more intelligent and requires the new listener to quickly parse the incoming information while someone used to this speak can go on without a second thought and continue on with their tasks.

One day a simple sentence will likely convey a whole chapter leaving more time for practical application rather than study, as I see it anyways.

Ditto that if we can cram a books worth of data, or whole expression or understanding or concept, into a couple of numbers and words and symbols, then were technically expressing more by a short sentence of such code, then writing a whole paragraph on the same thing. But which would require more understanding because you would have to understand what the numbers symbols and words mean, to translate them to long verse.

In a way it is a evolution in every language to condense itself just as much as it is to express more by saying more, if its condensed you can also say more by saying or writing less, and the most precise languages out there like binary, or computer codes, or even DNA is exactly that a bunch of condensed data, into something that convey's a lot of things and concepts. So in reality you would have to know more to understand there meanings, and it is a lot faster and more to the point. But still it has its place in the scope of things.

Who knows maybe thousands of years from now in a more advanced and technological time, they will be communicating huge sums of info and concepts, by a type of shortened abbreviation form of language such as what we are talking about now.

reply to post by IAmLedsterOo


you don't use them. it was done to try and entice tweens and the brain dead to look up words.

and, for the record, OEM? as a word? seriously? isn't a book that has the names of other books in it called a catalogue or a bibliography? talk about a sense of self importance. if they can list themselves in their dictionary, as a word, I would everyone to lobby them for inclusion, in next year's edition, of two words.

Sheen. yes, it's in there but the definition needs expansion. when someone says put a little sheen on it, it can mean a shine or glow but it can also mean "act like a raving lunatic in order to further destroy the situation"
it's also a verb - as in "to hell with this, I'm going to sheen it up and walk out of there with my head held high"


and, of course, Crak
it's a shortened version of my name which, by this time next year, should be a household name.


as in :get the craken crakity crak out of here, crak dammit

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


I always look at OMG and LOL, etc, as comparable to how the ancients wrote, no vowels. I was about to post the same thing Atlantican said.

Maybe an experiment could be conducted on ATS to see if this language could be enhanced? Maybe a forum devoted to conspiracies in "memeites"?

I guess these will have to wait a few more years to make it in.....

NEW SENIORS TEXTING CODES:

ATD~At The Doctors.
BFF~Best Friend Fell.
BTW~Bring the Wheelchair.
BYOT~Bring Your Own Teeth.
FWIW~Forgot Where I Was.
GGPBL~Gotta Go Pacemaker Battery Low.
GHA~Got Heartburn Again.
IMHO~Is My Hearing-Aid On.
LMDO~Laughing My Dentures Out.
OMMR~On My Massage Recliner.
OMSG ~Oh My! Sorry, Gas.
ROFLACGU.~Rolling On Floor Laughing &Can't Get Up.
TTYL~Talk To You Louder

Originally posted by Aresh Troxit
reply to post by galadofwarthethird

 

I always look at OMG and LOL, etc, as comparable to how the ancients wrote, no vowels. I was about to post the same thing Atlantican said.

Maybe an experiment could be conducted on ATS to see if this language could be enhanced? Maybe a forum devoted to conspiracies in "memeites"?

Things like this kind of evolve with the surrounding's and time, but at the same time they got to be understood as well as translated for everybody else, so yes I would say if you wanted you can create a short hand language or advance a language by this, as a way to create a whole new language, then it can be done.

But as of now we have more then enough on our plate understanding, conveying, and translating plain English. And if you were to ask anybody who speaks two different language's and has thought about the differences between them, then you can tell that even speaking a different language and communicating a different way, can change the way you think and conceive of certain things entirely.

Just like some things are better understood in a certain language because they were created in that language, they lose a lot of meaning when translated to some other language. I mean there are scholars still arguing about translations of classical books that were translated from Greek to Latin to German and finally to English. Were with every language it was translated into, it losses some of the original meanings and concepts it was trying to convey.

...this reminds me of when bart simpson made SUCK socially acceptable... soon all the kids were saying it and parents were freaking out, just like their parents freaked over words that werent pc enough... then the prez said SUCK on national tv and that was it - SUCK was officially a-okay...

...iow, its only FUBAR if you want it to be...

reply to post by Versa


IBMH = I broke my hip...

reply to post by Versa


hysterical.

this is where we are headed. a world where we speak in acronyms only.

tftgp. Ilh

(thanks for the great post. I laughed hysterically)

Originally posted by Crakeur
reply to post by Versa

 

hysterical.

this is where we are headed. a world where we speak in acronyms only.

tftgp. Ilh

(thanks for the great post. I laughed hysterically)

Maybe ILAWAB (I laughed and wee'd a bit) would be more age appropriate

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Versa

 

IBMH = I broke my hip...

LMDO

reply to post by Crakeur


I'm tired and will reply properly tomorrow but perhaps "Release the Craken"?

It's just a few insignificant acronyms, its not a world view shattering change that will cause society as we know it to erupt into chaos. Like say if tomorrow it turns out the flying spaghetti monster is real and in orbit right now.

I invite those of you who seem to feel this is the end of us all because LOL was assimilated into the oxford dictionary, to explain your end of the world theory further?

I guess this post officially makes me pro-LOL.

Originally posted by Konah
This has actually gotten worse. This past week at work I have noticed multiple coworkers tell me how "sad-face" they've been over various things. Instead of just saying they were sad or saddened by whatever-it-was, "it made [them] all sad-face".

When I told each of them I couldn't believe they actually said that, they figured I was joking, brushed it off, and ... called me a jackass? I remain confused.

I've heard that word or words as well.."sad face." I was not impressed with the usage of the words.

What also concerns me as well as the deterioration of the language ability is the deterioration of real life experiences and knowledge.

For many years now I have noticed people around me describing a moral concept or idea in terms of some movie they watched or a television program. It took me some time to get the pulse before I was able to narrow it down. What I concluded was that so many have no real life experiences of their own. Their thoughts are someone else's thoughts. Their emotions someone else's emotions. Their experiences second hand vicarious from television and movies. And now what I am picking up here is that their language abilities and faculties are following suit.
All second hand and now also abbreviated. It requires to much labor and concentration to think and know words and language.
And these peoples are now becoming voters. Wow!!!

Eventually ..all you have to do is get them all properly programmed and use the key word, phrase, abbreviation and most will lock step.

Are any of you others out her noticing this as well..about movies and television knowledge..second hand thinking?? Now we want to add abbreviations?

Orangetom

You guys do all realise that without evolution of language we'd all be talking in dialects and languages none of us can even decipher now?

reply to post by Caji316


Ummm......Actually....it's a form of, "zip-speech", where meaning and content is concentrated into fewer intonations and characters. I'm sure that in the future, O.M.G. will be spoken as omg, a word, not a simple or even mental recitation of the letters themselves. Now, if someone actually encodes zip-speech........watch out, talk about language evolution.

The biggest loss, would be to poetry and songwriting, especially rhyme and meter.......or perhaps it would just be a greater challenge...........wow.....condensed language.....the possibilities are fascinating.

Hmmm......I wonder if this could be the basis of a true "bible code".....that the words or even letters are already "zip-encoded".....just wondering...

YouSir

Originally posted by orangetom1999

What also concerns me as well as the deterioration of the language ability is the deterioration of real life experiences and knowledge.

For many years now I have noticed people around me describing a moral concept or idea in terms of some movie they watched or a television program. It took me some time to get the pulse before I was able to narrow it down. What I concluded was that so many have no real life experiences of their own. Their thoughts are someone else's thoughts. Their emotions someone else's emotions. Their experiences second hand vicarious from television and movies.

Hmmm. I grew up on a farm, went to a one-room school with a library the size of a closet. Read everything in it a hundred times before I hit Grade 4 (skipped Grade 3). Didn't experience much besides reading til I was in my '20's.

And I still talk and write like a book written by a schiz.

Do you really think that's better? Why? ...Honestly interested in what you have to say.

While a lot of you might see this as a "modern day apocalypse" of the human language, perhaps you need to look deeper at what is happening. The English language along with other languages are becoming "unified" and "simpler".

Have you ever noticed how Spanish uses multiple syllables for a word that has maybe one syllable in English? To Caucasian Americans, they might believe this language is obsolete because it uses more syllables than the English Language, thus the English Language becomes "Easier to understand" and "Easier to use".

So English is the international majority choice of language to learn because so many countries have chosen it as a secondary or primary (majority being primary).

Words like "LOL" have become a universal standard online between countries that don't even speak the same language as a sign of laughter, funniness, or a comedic expression.

And yes, the abbreviations are become more and more longer, yet more is being said in smaller amount of letters! Look at the word "HTTP", which means "Hypertext Transfer Protocol"... yes we could say "Hypertext Transfer Protocol" all the time, but HTTP is easier, means the same thing, and when you mention "Hypertext Transfer Protocol" to a person, they are likely to say "What is that?" versus saying "HTTP", the person will quickly know what you speak of, even know what the particular object does. Crazy isn't it?

Don't be afraid of this "transcendence" in the language system, as it is simply becoming a method of making a unified simplified language... Humans crave simplicity, and crave that things can be routinely EASY, and that is exactly what the masses have been formulating without even realizing that they are a big part of the transition.

I'd like to add that Japanese is considered one of the most sophisticated and complicated languages in the world to learn because of the multitude of variations from the past to the presence that has given this language almost over 50,000 symbols. BUT, as time has progressed, the symbols and the language have become shorter and shorter, simpler and simpler. This is because the language is "progressing", what used to take 25 symbols to write, may only take 5 now.

reply to post by Crakeur


Ummm.....Did she actually repeat the letters L.O.L. or did she more accuratly say lol (as in "ball"), you see, that further evolves lol into "zip-speech".....

YouSir