Whats Going on in Christchurch, New Zealand?

reply to post by grantbeed


THE FACTORY????? can anyone say unsafe working conditions, are u serious???

reply to post by Tallone


You fail to mention all the real reasons that government need to pass these emergency laws -

Things like providing wages for the 50,000 people who cant get to their jobs anymore, stopping the census which by law was required to take place this year, providing payments for people who cant afford to buy water, food, power etc, to provide emergency funding for workplaces who are affected by the quakes, to keep citizens away from a very dangerous CBD in which more masonry is falling down every day due to aftershocks etc......the list can be huge, but you just concentrate on the conspiracy side of things.

I assure you the government have been nothing short of amazing throughout this ordeal and they have done everything in their power to help the people of new zealand and we are all proud of the help thats been given.

Originally posted by BobAthome
reply to post by grantbeed

 

THE FACTORY????? can anyone say unsafe working conditions, are u serious???

I agree, very unsafe and i dont feel good about being there, especially cos its only 5mins from the CBD. But I dont really have an option at the moment. wages need to come in to support the family.

There are 50,000 people without a job this morning.

reply to post by grantbeed


Thats what Govt. is for Wake Up!

And the other 50,000!

reply to post by BobAthome


Cool, well id really like it if this thread stayed on track. I created it to discuss exactly whats happening in regard to the underlying faultlines and earthquake activity around the city, not government conspiracy. There's other forums for that discussion.

Lets stay on topic.

thanks

reply to post by grantbeed


Those other forums your going too take that over right?, or that fish just might be a lot easier too, watch rise,, if u get my drift,, Ive watched your concern for your family, since first post,, ya way back then,, by the way how's the cat? in your face a lot?? , so yes i'm concerned for your safety as well, just think u would be safer outside of the building during a 4.3,, i'm mean did they suspend earthquake drills? cause from that graph, i got to say ,, like sorry but we will get by somehow . so yes ,, . I think u could do it.

Originally posted by grantbeed
reply to post by Tallone

 

You fail to mention all the real reasons that government need to pass these emergency laws -

Things like providing wages for the 50,000 people who cant get to their jobs anymore, stopping the census which by law was required to take place this year, providing payments for people who cant afford to buy water, food, power etc, to provide emergency funding for workplaces who are affected by the quakes, to keep citizens away from a very dangerous CBD in which more masonry is falling down every day due to aftershocks etc......the list can be huge, but you just concentrate on the conspiracy side of things.

I assure you the government have been nothing short of amazing throughout this ordeal and they have done everything in their power to help the people of new zealand and we are all proud of the help thats been given.

What ever benefits are supposedly attached to emergency laws, they are far outweighed by the potential for the misuse of power. These are experts in constitutional law and you really ought to be paying them some attention when they collectively tell you there is something badly wrong with this legislation.

If you read nothing else from that link, at least read and consider what they say here.

this is what our Parliament has done, in just a single day, by unanimously passing the Canterbury Earthquake Response and Recovery Act 2010. It represents an extraordinarily broad transfer of lawmaking power away from Parliament and to the executive branch, with minimal constraints on how that power may be used. In particular:

Individual government ministers, through "Orders in Council", may change virtually every part of NZ's statute book in order to achieve very broadly defined ends, thereby effectively handing to the executive branch Parliament's power to make law;
The legislation forbids courts from examining the reasons a minister has for thinking an Order in Council is needed, as well as the process followed in reaching that decision;
Orders in Council are deemed to have full legislative force, such that they prevail over any inconsistent parliamentary enactment;
Persons acting under the authority of an Order in Council have protection from legal liability, with no right to compensation should their actions cause harm to another person.

These matters are not simply "academic" or "theoretical" in nature. Over and over again history demonstrates that unconstrained power is subject to misuse, and that even well-intentioned measures can result in unintended consequences if there are not clear, formal measures of oversight applied to them.

Remember this is a conspiracy site. That is the frame of reference the majority of people who read on this site will use when they read your posts, and the one I use when I post on ATS.

edit on 27-2-2011 by Tallone because: ext into bold

Originally posted by grantbeed
reply to post by BobAthome

 

Cool, well id really like it if this thread stayed on track. I created it to discuss exactly whats happening in regard to the underlying faultlines and earthquake activity around the city, not government conspiracy. There's other forums for that discussion.

Lets stay on topic.

thanks

edit on 27-2-2011 by grantbeed because: (no reason given)

Bob. First up I appreciate your effort in kicking off this thread but want to point out too your title does not reflect a narrowed focus. It is rather encompassing, and that is good because the Christchurch earthquake has produced at least 8 different threads pretty much all of which will be lost in the mass of ATS.

I want to put it to you apart from the faultlines and earthquake activity about which there are already a number of threads on precisely that focus there needs to be a broad encompassing thread.

It is all very well to describe the features of the quake and faults in blow by blow accounts but if you want analysis you need explanations of possible causes. Sometimes the best way to go about finding a cause is to look at the results.

The seismology is but one aspect, but after all the main concern is the people affected.

reply to post by Tallone


So it boils down too, quote "Orders in Council" are they or have they yet passed an Order In Council too , look after, and PAY the wages of those who are at present, in a very dangerous and life threatning circumstance.

And why after viewing the disaster and knowing the full of extent of the disaster, and to the FACT that the quakes are not stopping, but increasing too the point of , expect large areas, too start sinking due to the liqiufaction of the sub-structure.

Sorry people, but I created this thread with one purpose,

to only discuss the Quakes and the Faultline activity and any Science behind it.

Any discussion not on topic will be alerted to admins as I dont want this thread to become a mess of broad spiel about this, that and everything.

cheers for your understanding.

Latest aftershock -

Reference Number: 3471487
NZDT: Mon, Feb 28 2011 12:18 pm
Magnitude: 3.0
Depth: 9 km
Details: Within 5 km of Lyttelton

Exact Location on Google Maps

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Reference Number: 3471522
NZDT: Mon, Feb 28 2011 2:12 pm
Magnitude: 3.1
Depth: 8 km
Details: 10 km south-east of Christchurch

Exact location on google maps


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4 aftershocks so far this evening here in Christchurch -

Reference Number: 3471594
NZDT: Mon, Feb 28 2011 5:56 pm
Magnitude: 3.2
Depth: 2 km
Details: 10 km west of Lyttelton

Reference Number: 3471591
NZDT: Mon, Feb 28 2011 5:45 pm
Magnitude: 3.3
Depth: 2 km
Details: 10 km north-east of Lyttelton

Reference Number: 3471588
NZDT: Mon, Feb 28 2011 5:34 pm
Magnitude: 3.6
Depth: 5 km
Details: 10 km east of Lyttelton

Reference Number: 3471551
NZDT: Mon, Feb 28 2011 3:37 pm
Magnitude: 3.7
Depth: 6 km
Details: 10 km north-east of Lyttelton



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reply to post by Tallone


Was'nt aware of CERRA but I'm already following some of what you mentioned in your thread.....

Can I suggest.....watch the G20 very very closely; there IS a game plan at work already.

reply to post by grantbeed


Yes you are right......but this money will have to be paid back somehow.

When the Labor Govt here in Australia gave us a one off payment to inject in to our economy we too knew we would have to pay this back one way or the other......in the form of a flood levy, carbon levy....and thats JUST for starters, we know there's more coming.

The question in regards to John Key...where is he gttting all the money from?

reply to post by bluemirage5

where is he gttting all the money from?

Lots of it comes from here -

www.stuff.co.nz...

Also, there's insurance to take into consideration. And also, our taxes will probably rise after all this is over.

reply to post by grantbeed


I saw that yesterday however the costs are going to go way beyond the 15B figure. Insurance comes from somewhere, global assets....much of that is invested in the USA, they're going broke (oh, hang on, they ARE broke) and by end of the 2012 my toilet paper will be worth more the USD$.

Economically, NZ is far from healthy and I'd sum NZ up somewhere within the vacinity of Spain or Italy.

Come on, John Key is pulling the wool over your eyes....and you all believe him.

let me tell you where it's all coming from, the Kiwis and probably IMF loans that NZ will never be able to afford unless they give up something and they WILL have to just to pay the interests...thats going to be the most painful pitch and the Kiwis are ignorant to the fact.

And your taxes.....you have no idea whats coming do you! There's a whole string of em coming - sooner than you realise and it's going to hit VERY VERY hard!

Originally posted by latitude39
When is enough information, emotion, shared experience enough?

I understand this sentiment. It's a bit like 'Disaster Tourism'!

I guess it depends whether you are here or not as well,as sharing stories is an essential part of coming to terms with it all. Such a tragedy.

Originally posted by Tallone


These matters are not simply "academic" or "theoretical" in nature. Over and over again history demonstrates that unconstrained power is subject to misuse, and that even well-intentioned measures can result in unintended consequences if there are not clear, formal measures of oversight applied to them.

I also understand your concerns. I don't trust Gerry Brownlee, and John Key is in the same boat. However, so far they've trodden relatively 'softly softly' WHILE brewing plans. Time will tell, but I'll bet there is a huge amount of overseas investment (not necessarily a conspiracy) involved in the rebuilding of the CBD.

A few shakes this morning, they'll go on for a while. As of yet I'm not sure about the extent of this fault,but it will be interesting going back to work and hearing the tea room talk (I'm a geology technician at Uni, so have access to Dr Quigs et al).

However, while the Science is necessary to aid understanding of fault dynamics, the initial responses have to be about the people.
Remember this is a conspiracy site. That is the frame of reference the majority of people who read on this site will use when they read your posts, and the one I use when I post on ATS.

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posted by aorAki

Remember this is a conspiracy site. That is the frame of reference the majority of people who read on this site will use when they read your posts, and the one I use when I post on ATS.

edit on 27-2-2011 by Tallone because: ext into bold

Hey AorAki, had to respond. I am glad to hear a scientist with a wide perspective. I give your post two thumbs up anyway. Agree with you, ya know it.

Grantbeed is performing a good service here with the regular updates on the earthquake. The continuing shallowness of the after shocks is interesting, is it not? Are continuing quakes at less than 5 km depth in NZ not raising eyebrows amongst some of your peers?

reply to post by aorAki


Hi mate,

thanks for your contributions, if you get any inside knowledge, please do post here!!

A few aftershocks on this tuesday so far -

in reverse order -

Reference Number: 3471884
NZDT: Tue, Mar 1 2011 9:10 am
Magnitude: 4.3
Depth: 2 km
Details: 10 km east of Lyttelton

Reference Number: 3471850
NZDT: Tue, Mar 1 2011 7:40 am
Magnitude: 3.7
Depth: 4 km
Details: 10 km north-east of Lyttelton

Reference Number: 3471829
NZDT: Tue, Mar 1 2011 6:37 am
Magnitude: 3.6
Depth: 8 km
Details: 10 km north-east of Lyttelton

Reference Number: 3471800
NZDT: Tue, Mar 1 2011 4:43 am
Magnitude: 3.1
Depth: 2 km
Details: 10 km west of Lyttelton

The 4.3 was a humdinger in our factory. the whole place shook quite violently. Certainly put us all on edge again. Only 2km's deep and situated off the coast of Port Levy again.

Quite active out there in the last couple of days.

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The 4.3 shake this morning -