Israel Warns It Might Act on Iranian Warships Passing Through Suez Canal

Originally posted by Slan1
Question?

Where did the Israelis get the billions and billions of dollars to pay for the technology,the radioactive materials, the nuclear missiles, nuclear submarines and other expensive nuclear add ons and pay for their maintenance and upgrading since the 1960s?

Exporting olive oil?

Where do you think they come from? They bought all this stuff out of the billions of dollars in aid the US gives them for no reason.

reply to post by buster2010


I'm scared to ask but at the same time I have to ask. Where is it that you all get that Russia wants to destroy Israel? Russia has it's own problems right now and I highly doubt that it has any interest in nuking Israel.

This whole story is so important that none of the mainstream media are really even covering it except for Fox News because its a wetdream come true for them.

Also if you are basing this on the Bible. I would like to point out that Israel has been attacked numerous times in the past and well yea the end of the world didn't happen then either.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
New info... it seems the Syrian navy is on alert since February 16 ``Syrian time``... and will send ships to escort the Iranian ships out of the Suez Canal once it crosses it.


The warship is not really a warship, it's a frigate of the Alvand class. It's only a 1100 ton ship. A small one. It has 4XC-802 anti-ship missiles, torpedos, mortars and crappy anti-air. Interesting enough, the US sank one in 1988. Delivered in 1971.

The supply ship is of the Kharg class, 33 000 tons at full load, basically no armament. Delivered in 1984.

So no real threat there. Ships from the 70s with almost no armament. The only threat they pose would be to give lots of weapons to Hezbollah.

Or bring a bomb to the shores of Israel. Iran would sacrifice one of these just to piss Israel off or try to kill millions. Israel can not allow it to sail by Israel on its way by for no reason. Iran has sent weapons to Syria for years via air transports so this is a provocation all be it a bluff anyway. They know Israel will sink them.

Originally posted by Phantom28804
reply to post by buster2010

 

I'm scared to ask but at the same time I have to ask. Where is it that you all get that Russia wants to destroy Israel? Russia has it's own problems right now and I highly doubt that it has any interest in nuking Israel.

This whole story is so important that none of the mainstream media are really even covering it except for Fox News because its a wetdream come true for them.

Also if you are basing this on the Bible. I would like to point out that Israel has been attacked numerous times in the past and well yea the end of the world didn't happen then either.

edit on 2/16/2011 by Phantom28804 because: (no reason given)

Russia has always wanted Israel removed but would never directly do it, they like to do it by proxies cause they have known our stance on Israel and that is hands off or its time for a beat down. With Obama in power the Arabs will try their luck and Russia will be drug into the mess only to lose bad.

Russia had planned to strike the nuke plant at Dimona during the 73 war but they chickened out. Russia started the whole war just to target the plant. Little backstabbing to their Arab friends.

Originally posted by Bicent76
reply to post by Phantom28804

 

Why in the world, is Iran, moving a supply ship escorted by a loan frigate? Thru the suez canal? Maybe a probe of some kind I dunno.


Something funky in the stories about this.

Iran and Syria have a defence agreement. Just like any other nation Iran has a perfect right to transit International Waters to conduct goodwill and naval training visits. The US transits the Straits of Hormuz in order to access the Persian/Arabian Gulf. The supply ship is the support ship and able to refuel the frigate at sea.

The worry for Israel is if the Iranian ships try to head for the ports in Gaza?

It was only last year that the Iranian hard-liners were stating that they would breach the Israeli Gaza naval blockade.

www.guardian.co.uk...

I don't think that the Iranians will attempt to do so, but simply transit the canal and visit Syria.

TJ

reply to post by Sky watcher


That was nearly 40 years ago. A lot has changed in Russia since the days of Kruschev Sorry it wasn't Kruschev it was Brezhnev... I don't think Russia cares about Israel anymore. For that matter they don't care much for any other country in the Middle East right now. In fact most recently Russia has been dealing with it's own problems with Muslims, so I have a hard time believing it was all one big conspiracy to hide there distaste for Israel and relationships with Iran/Syria etc by pretending to have a coup, and breaking apart etc just so they could cleverly fulfill there true agenda of world domination. Not to mention going along with the disarmament's etc.

reply to post by Phantom28804

What is your source on this? I do not see anything to back this up.

Trusted sources I know personally who have sources on the ground... so .. believe me if you want...

Originally posted by Phantom28804
reply to post by buster2010

 

I'm scared to ask but at the same time I have to ask. Where is it that you all get that Russia wants to destroy Israel? Russia has it's own problems right now and I highly doubt that it has any interest in nuking Israel.

This whole story is so important that none of the mainstream media are really even covering it except for Fox News because its a wetdream come true for them.

Also if you are basing this on the Bible. I would like to point out that Israel has been attacked numerous times in the past and well yea the end of the world didn't happen then either.

edit on 2/16/2011 by Phantom28804 because: (no reason given)

Who said anything about Russia? Reread my post and the one I quoted. The post is talking about Israel not Iran. He asked where they got the money for all these weapons and the answer is from the US.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
reply to post by Phantom28804

 

What is your source on this? I do not see anything to back this up.

Trusted sources I know personally who have sources on the ground... so .. believe me if you want...

Trusted sources, who have sources on the ground?....with 2 coughs... "horse" "crap"......sorry man but a lot of us have been in the field. Do'ers dont talk and talkers don't do. Thats just the way the game is played....source it or dont say it. A guy has to maintain his credibility here.

reply to post by buster2010


Sorry I grabbed the wrong name on the reply should have been skywatcher. I'd fix it if I could but I can't sorry =0(

Boy, some Israel haters on here. One fool said at the end of the 1967 War, Israel took land from Jordan, Egypt, and Syria. I wonder why they didn't mention that Israel was attacked by those nations after they swore that they would wipe Israel off the face of the earth, and during the course of the war - Israel won the land fair and square.

That's the way it works in war. You fight, you win, you gain land. Nothing that hasn't been true for all of recorded history.

Iran has internal problems, and nothing like the threat of a conflict, or an actual war with Israel to bind the nation together. Besides, those fanatics that run the country, if killed in a war with Israel, and simultaneously will be fulfilling the second greatest pillar of Islam, following the teachings of Muhammed.

You keep poking a croc, a dog, a bull, or any other predator with a stick, and eventually, you're going to lose something you'll be wishing for later.

Personally, I just as soon Iran keep prodding Israel. I just as soon they keep arming Hizballah. I just as soon they keep supporting Syria.

The faster Israel pulls the trigger, the faster the world improves.

The most miserable of human conditions is the state of uncertainty. Israel has been attacked by multiple coalitions since their inception.

Eventually, you just want to say the hell with it, and punch everyone's ticket that's been prodding them. Done properly, with sufficient force, ruthlessness, and level of destruction, any others that were even CONSIDERING prodding Israel will likely have a change of heart.

Iran has zero legitimate purpose for this little cruise. Israel can sink those ships without any direct link back to them.

Plausible deniability. It works for North Korea all the time.

reply to post by FarArcher


Yea well first off I would be the "fool" that spoke of the land and there was no need to mention they were attacked first as that is common knowledge.

I don't know if you are aware that the Israeli's also attacked the USS Liberty without any provocation during the same war, but I am sure you knew that.

You said after you get poked and prodded so many times. Then I suppose Palestine is justified in all there actions as they have been poked and prodded for decades since there inception.

You also said that Iran had no reason for there little cruise. Well I think it was stated several times that it was part of Maritime practice drills, but I suppose because they are Iran they aren't allowed to have military drills. That no offense smells of the same Hypocrisy that unfortunately rules the American and Israeli governments. The bottom line is that it is international waters not Israeli waters and there is nothing that says they can't go through them unless of course Egypt denies them passage.

I don't hate Israel but they are some of the most paranoid people in the world. They are constantly worried about war with everyone all the while they create the tension with all the countries around them.

Oh one last thing, how do you have Plausible Deni-ability when you were just quoted in almost every newspaper, news station across the world as saying, "We might take action" I would say if they take action they have 0 deni-ability.

I wouldn't call myself an Israel hater I just don't like there tactics or policies. Over the years I have seen them start crap with other countries only to cry for help as soon as someone bites back a bit. They aggravate situations but then expect the US to back them up no matter what.

reply to post by Phantom28804


You spoke of Israel as:

They aggravate situations but then expect the US to back them up no matter what.

Do you not think that Iran taking warships into the Suez canal, along the shore of Israel, is provocative? A country that wants nothing more than to see the demise of Israel, some purporting they have, or will soon have a nuclear bomb, but yet - no means to deliver the package yet? That can float by their shores? Is not a show of force in the most taunting way? Poking the cat with a stick to see if it bites? Yet, this is somehow Israel's fault? Really?

Does it not strike you that a country that is now having Egypt style uprisings *again*, is distracting the world with fingerpointing at Israel because they are acting provocatively?

Come now, read between the lines and see what is *not* being said. You are an intuitive person, intuitive enough to see that Iran is playing with Israel, intentionally, to say, "When we do have the bomb, you won't be able to stop us then, we can literally float by your shore line and THROW it at you!"

I do not see how Israel stating they will defend themselves in this situation is anything but NORMAL.

Any country that had their adversaries floating around their coastlines on warships would do the same.

Perhaps THIS is why Iran suddenly got the fortitude to think they could get away with such.

In sharp reversal, U.S. agrees to rebuke Israel in Security Council

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


If Israel is attacked by Iran, regardless of who fired the first shot, the USA will retaliate against Iran.
Have no doubts about that, because Iran and Israel squaring off would provide the perfect opportunity for the USA to take military action against Iran. It's been on the cards for years, they can't spin us the same story they did for Iraq.
Coming to the defence of an ally is a legitimate reason that most Americans will back and support.
Why? Because Iran will be painted as a threat to the only true democracy in the middle east, and rightly so.

reply to post by BLV12


just playing devil's advicate here, Iran holds the unified Islam card. Islam will be behind Iran.That is a powerful force.If there is a war over this, and I dont see it, but if there is, there will be blood like no other..to be clear, I dont think now is that time.

Originally posted by mikeybiznaz
reply to post by BLV12

 

just playing devil's advicate here, Iran holds the unified Islam card. Islam will be behind Iran.That is a powerful force.If there is a war over this, and I dont see it, but if there is, there will be blood like no other..to be clear, I dont think now is that time.

Not to mention that, according to Egypt, they have not requested permission, and permission is required 48 hours ahead of travel.

www.cnbc.com...

However, an official from Egypt, which controls the canal, told the Associated Press that Iran has not asked permission to pass through the canal.

Ahmed el-Manakhli told the news agency that warships have to get permission 48 hours before crossing the canal and that Egypt had received no such request from Iran.

So right now, it is really *nothing* but a wait and see. Provocative, nonetheless.

reply to post by Phantom28804

Yes, there was sufficient reason for you to include that information as Israel had been threatened and threatened, and threatened more with extinction, had their southern port access blocked, and Arab armies lined up on three sides with the stated purpose of "wiping them out."

You neglected to mention those little facts just to skew a point. Had nothing to do with "everyone" knows that. That is about the cheesiest backpedaling I've ever seen.

What, for God's sake does the Blue on Blue attack on the USS Liberty have to do with this? Is this just more justification to hate Israel? I'm very much aware of the event, and I'm very much aware that the Liberty was out of place. It was supposed to be somewhere else, and in the middle of a shooting war, being in the wrong place is not good.

I've been shot by my own side, and it's most unpleasant. And though I too, was out of position, the helicopter was flying a hell of a lot slower than an Israeli jet. Occasionally during a shooting war, **** happens.

I'm not arguing against Iran's navy and what-not being unable to pass anywhere in international waters, but we all know historically, Iran has never had any presence in the Med, as traditionally, Arabs all hate Persians, and vice-versa.

Right now though, the dumbass Hizballah and Syria see them as Islamic partners against the Jew, represented by Israel.

The same Iran who likewise threatened Israel's existence. So yes, I see this as a provocation, not a spring cruise.

Yep, Israel is paranoid. Upon becoming a nation, a coalition of Lebanon, Syria, Arab guerrillas, Transjordan, Saudi, Iraq, and Egyptians attacked, with the publicly stated purpose of wiping Israel out.

Same stated goal in 1967, Israel had their southern port blocked, and massive armies of infantry, armor and artillery that vastly outnumbered total Israeli forces attacked Israel from three sides from Syria, Jordan, and Egypt.

Attacked again in 1973 by a coalition of Syria and Egypt.

Guess which nation is buddy-buddy with their traditional enemies, the Persians? Syria.

The same Persian Iran who said THEY wanted to eliminate Israel.

Paranoid? That's not paranoid. That's learned behavior.

That's prudence.

You don't like Israeli strategy (approach to a battlefield) or their tactics (deceptions and concentrations of force on a battlefield)?

Which part?

The part where when Israel is attacked they kick Arab ass so thoroughly that they end up with new territory at the end of each attack?

I say plausible deniability because those ships can be sunk without any Israeli boat or missile, or torpedo being fired. No way to firmly determine exactly what happened to those ships.

There's way, and then there's ways. A method of zero evidence, means plausible (possible/believable) deniability (innocence/non-proof).

If there are no Israeli flagged ships in the area and no Israeli weapons fired, then there's no telling what happened. No proof.

Originally posted by Vitchilo

Israel Warns It Might Act on Iranian Warships Passing Through Suez Canal

www.foxnews.com

Israel is monitoring two Iranian warships about to pass through the Suez Canal for Syria and warn they might act.

Israeli's Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman says that "Israel cannot ignore these provocations," according to ynetnews.com.

Lieberman added that the warships was "a provocation that proves Iran's nerve and self-esteem is growing from day to day."

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Well what the hell Israel does really own the Med. Right? Sure why not? Poor downtrodden Israel. She suffers in her own little decomposing alternative reality.

I just hope that if Iran sinks an Israeli ship that we are not told that more of our kids have to go die over there somewhere because of it. Israel, Smisrael. Let her fight her own battles.

reply to post by trailertrash


Israel doesn't need team America world police to leap in and 'help'. They are more than capable of fighting several of those countries off at once, and Syria, Iran etc know it which is why despite their hatred and hot air speeches they will do nothing. Israel can and will stand on its own if it needs to.

It seems the Iran war ships have not been granted passage by Egyptians . The ships were docked the last seven days in Saudi Arabia.

"Ahmed el-Manakhli, head of the canal operations room, said warships must get permission 48 hours before crossing, and so far, no request for permission had been received."



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