Israel Warns It Might Act on Iranian Warships Passing Through Suez Canal

Egypt: Iran asks for warships to pass Suez Canal

(AP) – 1 hour ago

CAIRO (AP) — Two Iranian naval vessels have submitted a request to transit the Suez Canal, Egypt's Foreign Ministry said Thursday. Israel has expressed concerns over the plans, labeling them a "provocation."

Ministry spokesman Hossam Zaki said Egyptian authorities have received the request to grant the vessels passage, while a Suez Canal official said the Defense Ministry would process the application.

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reply to post by quackers


Originally posted by Hongkongphooey

When did Egypt hand Israel their Arse??? What history do you follow, Oh you must have bought into Arab propaganda!

Did they achieve their goal? No.

(My reply) Not the same is it? Political pressure is hardly the same as the Egyptians handing them their arse, is it?

Same old argument gets same old reply. Maybe if Israel stopped stealing land from the Palestinians, bulldozing their homes and shoehorning them into ghettos they'd have less reason to lob rockets. Chicken and egg.

(My reply) Not relevant because the Palestinians have been given back their land and keep lobbing rockets, those involved in terrorism (and it is terrorism) have their houses bulldozed, thats the punishment! Does not seem to be much of a deterrent though.

Why are they blowing themselves up? What is the root cause? Perhaps when you understand that you can start to move forward in a more constructive manor.

(My reply) The truth, because they dont have anything else to do! If the Palestinian leadership used the money for their people and instigated infastructure projects and business, opened proper schools (not propaganda centres to create future uprisings) then people would be to busy getting on with their lives, earning a living to worry about ending their lives for their (leaders) cause. Israel is not the enemy to the Palestinian's their own leadership is because all it cares about is lining their own bank accounts, keeping their people in poverty and radicalising their population to keep the money rolling in for their cause.

People don't want to blow themselves up unless they are brainwashed to and its not the Israeli's doing that, is it?

Well that shows your mentality doesn't it, I make a statement that we should all live in peace, feed and respect each other and you accuse me of being an NWO supporter!


Hey if the shoe fits. Israels plans are part of the grand scheme (if they are not the masterminds behind it, just my personal opinion), if you support them then whether you like it or not, you defend the scheme.

(My reply) I support all humanity to break away from the Illuminati masters, just because you hate Israel it does not mean that I am a zionist or NWO supporter because I care for both sides.

BTW, I have been to Palestinian areas and what you call ghettos and they are just like normal towns anywhere in the middle east. I even spent time in the West Bank many years ago as a volunteer until I got fed up of the hate filled propaganda. It pained me to see children brainwashed to hate and taught how to use a gun at a young age, how to throw rocks and who to target. I have seen it first hand, so please don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about! I have spent more time in Arab countries than the few weeks I spent within the borders of Israel, including Egypt (where the people are taught that they won the 1973 war with Israel), Jordan, Dubai, El-Ain, Abu Dhabi, RAK, Bahrain, Lebanon and Kuwait.

I have found that they educate the muslim population with the same hate propaganda in all these arab countries, as well as non arab muslim such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan and Bangladesh (I've spent time in all them too).

I do volunteer work now in Northern Thailand and I don't see the hilltribes promoting hatred or violence to their children against the Thai people or government, I can tell you its thoroughly more rewarding.

Originally posted by Iwinder
I am quite frankly sick of hearing Israel this and Iran that. Who is buying this shet and why?
We want to enjoy our lives here, as most sane people do! So I say to the media and to the war machines of the world, namely USA & Israel shut the heck up!

I really can't wait for China to step in and do a few "five up the sides" to get these asses to wake up and see they do not rule the world.

Regards, Iwinder

Ummm.....

Second line

YouSir

The Egyptian defence ministry has'nt ok'ed it - yet - so we will have to see however I strongly doubt they will agree to it. US military will want to board it first for weapons.

So don't get all excited

reply to post by Hongkongphooey


BTW, I have been to Palestinian areas and what you call ghettos and they are just like normal towns anywhere in the middle east. I even spent time in the West Bank many years ago as a volunteer until I got fed up of the hate filled propaganda. It pained me to see children brainwashed to hate and taught how to use a gun at a young age, how to throw rocks and who to target. I have seen it first hand, so please don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about.

If anyone came here to Canada and took our land, bulldozed buildings and cut off the food supply. I am afraid flying rocks would be your last worry here.

Try about a hundred thousand plus a few more million high powered deer/moose/big game rifles.

Try to remember that almost all people here at ATS do not watch the national news if you can call it that...........................we know what is going on there and it is not the Arabs/Muslims/Bin Laden or anyone else doing the oppression.

The problem is a little closer to North America, that is why the news with views is a bit slanted here.... $$$$$$$$
Regards, Iwinder

Originally posted by bigyin
reply to post by Hongkongphooey

 

Well yes I would expect an answer like that from somebody who is not on the recieving end. Unless your Scottish you can't possibly know what it's like living here.

It's only in recent years since Scotland got it's own government that things are starting to improve.

I've discussed it before in other threads so I don't want to get off topic here.

Similarly unless you have lived as a Palestinian I don't see how you can say what it's like for them either.

Matey i think theres a hell of a difference between Scotland and Palestine. I live in the north east of England and we're constantly getting screwed by the money men in the south. Saying that, theres no way id swap here for there. Israel is nervous as f**k and paranoid about these ships because of what theyve done in the past, things theyve done to the Palestinians, and a lot of Palestinian children to boot.
In all honesty, if Britain (not Ireland because theyve probably got a few pubs in every country over there :lol or the U.S. lived amongst that everyday we'd be nervous aswell, because lets face it, no-one likes each other. And its got nothing to do with us nobodies, its the people who give the orders.
It's the same as the nuke situation. Israels got them, and so many muslim states are pissed off at them, that, that is their only saving grace at the minute. They would # a brick if Iran had them, thats why their trying so hard to stop them from armament.
At the end of the day though, i think this is all planned anyway, and the only people that will suffer are innocents, not the so called Elite. They'll be safely tucked away in a bunker while the world destroys itself.
These situations make me think what would of happened in the build up to 1939 if the world wide talk #e box had been around. Probably nothing different

Originally posted by quackers

Originally posted by projectvxn
If Iran makes overt threatening maneuvers I'd sink them.
If they're just passing through with no plans to threaten, fine.

So if someone looks at you funny you'd punch them in the face on the off chance they might have started something? I do believe that's called being a bully and a thug. But then what else is new when it comes to Israel and the U.S.?

edit on 16-2-2011 by quackers because: (no reason given)

I guess you don't know what 'overt', 'threats', and 'maneuvers' means?

Personally if someone made threats against me in an overt fashion, and say, SHOVED ME(an overt threatening maneuver) I'd break their face, how about you?

The one thing about the Muslim race that Americans understand as well as Israel, is that under no circumstances would a Muslim leader put his people at jeopardy, this is why the bullies of the world love to show there might against them.

North Korea on the other hand. The west, and every body in this world knows, that they will not care one way or the other what happens ,they will send every nuke they can, and wont blink an eye.

North Korea has weapons of mass destruction, why didn’t they do what they did to north Korea like they did Iraq ?
Its just funny how ‘Israel’ and the ‘Usa’ love to show there power on the Muslim countries but, lmaf.

North Korea not to long ago blasted the allies of the Usa, and what did the great mighty super power do….nothing.

The super power, loll

All the usa has shown with there lil power is that they can cause riots in other countries, and drop bombs on lil countries with false information to justify the taking of 800,000 civilians death ,let alone the first and only human race to drop the first ‘2‘ atomic bombs on lil countries because they cant fight fair.

Just like Israel, all they have shown to the world is that ,they love to steal land and starve civilians, and drop cutter bombs and advanced weapons on a people that throw rocks and shot bows and arrows
,driving there tanks through villages and flying helicopters and f14 around.. reminds me of the movie ’ ‘avatar’

I am half German, half Irish with Cherokee blood, I always wondered why HITLER did what he did. Now I know why .

Originally posted by projectvxn

Originally posted by quackers

Originally posted by projectvxn
If Iran makes overt threatening maneuvers I'd sink them.
If they're just passing through with no plans to threaten, fine.

So if someone looks at you funny you'd punch them in the face on the off chance they might have started something? I do believe that's called being a bully and a thug. But then what else is new when it comes to Israel and the U.S.?

edit on 16-2-2011 by quackers because: (no reason given)

I guess you don't know what 'overt', 'threats', and 'maneuvers' means?

Personally if someone made threats against me in an overt fashion, and say, SHOVED ME(an overt threatening maneuver) I'd break their face, how about you?

I agree with this, but if i'd brought that kind of attention on myself as to be punched, id seriously have a good think about the way im going about my business. Maybe change the way i do certain things. Its the same here, but on a much bigger scale, that could end up effecting everyone. Even those on the other side of the world.

reply to post by regolith


I'm not of the mind that Israel is a bully. Nor do I believe that the US is a bully(only certain US presidents with a warmongering agenda). (Not in reference to you but to the general context)

I believe Israel is a Jewish state surrounded by Arab enemies, with it's back to water. Do I agree with everything they do? No I do not.

Nonetheless, if I were them, I'd be a little forceful with how I project regional military power as well.
I'd keep my enemies on their toes, and meet any overt threatening maneuver with overwhelming
force.

I want to see what would happen to global trade routes if the US stopped "bullying" all the effing dictators out there as well.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
The Egyptian defence ministry has'nt ok'ed it - yet - so we will have to see however I strongly doubt they will agree to it. US military will want to board it first for weapons.

So don't get all excited

Ok, I got tired of all the silly nonsense about this non story by page 4 and didn't see a single post addressing a glaring issue. I quote the above as an illustration of just how clueless this discussion is.

Under international treaty, the canal is open to all shipping "in time of war as in time of peace, by every vessel of commerce or of war, without distinction of flag." Basically, no one can refuse passage to any legitimate shipping, not even the Egyptians. If they did, all hell would break loose. The article quoted above is just demonstrating a formality of notifying the authorities of the intended transit and awaiting a time/date that they can be allowed through, as the canal only has limited capacity and ships transit in convoys.

So, baring that in mind, Israel has no right at all to try and prevent or attack shipping through the canal, without first risking war with Egypt and possibly the wider world. Iran, on the other hand, has every right to sail whatever they please through the canal and no bugger can stop them.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by regolith

 

I'm not of the mind that Israel is a bully. Nor do I believe that the US is a bully(only certain US presidents with a warmongering agenda). (Not in reference to you but to the general context)

I believe Israel is a Jewish state surrounded by Arab enemies, with it's back to water. Do I agree with everything they do? No I do not.

Nonetheless, if I were them, I'd be a little forceful with how I project regional military power as well.
I'd keep my enemies on their toes, and meet any overt threatening maneuver with overwhelming
force.

I want to see what would happen to global trade routes if the US stopped "bullying" all the effing dictators out there as well.

edit on 17-2-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

Sure they are surrounded by enemies, how could they not be as they dropped them selves into a new country that was not their own after WW2. No better way to make nice with the new neighbours than to take their land and bulldoze their buildings and if they bitch shoot them.
Regards, Iwinder

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by regolith

 

I want to see what would happen to global trade routes if the US stopped "bullying" all the effing dictators out there as well.

edit on 17-2-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

Are you including Darfur in that, probably not yet, but bet your arse, once they need that copper and stuff, they'll be on the case. All in the name of humanity and not profiteering

reply to post by regolith


Whatever.

Everyone always wants the US to go around the world and stop every genocide, and police the world to their liking...And when we actually do just that people whine that we used the wrong kinds of bombs..

I would LOVE the US to stop being the world police just so we could tell the rest of the world where to stick it when the SHTF.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by regolith

 

I'm not of the mind that Israel is a bully. Nor do I believe that the US is a bully(only certain US presidents with a warmongering agenda). (Not in reference to you but to the general context)

edit on 17-2-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

Sorry mate, itchy trigger finger lol, still the Darfur thing stands, but the President thing (and that goes for most leaders) warmongering and what not is spot on


Also, id quite like Britain to stop hanging on your coat tails, and tell them to get on with it, but i think that balls been rolling for too long now, unfortunately. That and mere mortals like us have no real say

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527

The one thing about the Muslim race that Americans understand as well as Israel, is that under no circumstances would a Muslim leader put his people at jeopardy, this is why the bullies of the world love to show there might against them.

First, a Muslim is not a member of a "race", he/she is a member of a religion. Second, in fact, various Muslim leaders put their people in jeopardy every day. They send them out on suicide bomb missions, encourage them to live a life of violent jihad, to fight insurgencies, etc., etc. At various times, Muslim leaders have used their people to directly attack Israel and America, thereby putting those people in jeopardy - not to mention millions more in danger when the inevitable reprisals occur...

North Korea on the other hand. The west, and every body in this world knows, that they will not care one way or the other what happens ,they will send every nuke they can, and wont blink an eye.

North Korea has weapons of mass destruction, why didn’t they do what they did to north Korea like they did Iraq?

Just because it hasn't happened yet, does not mean it won't happen. The USA, and most of the rest of the world, have been trying to get North Korea to give up their nukes for years. Their recent stunts...sinking of the South Korean ship, and shelling a South Korean island...brought them very close to getting a real spanking from South Korea and the USA. If they get overly aggressive again in the near future, it just might be game over for them...but don't be surprised if the Chinese do the job for us.

All the usa has shown with there lil power is that they can cause riots in other countries, and drop bombs on lil countries with false information to justify the taking of 800,000 civilians death ,let alone the first and only human race to drop the first ‘2‘ atomic bombs on lil countries because they cant fight fair.

Um...this was at the tail end of a long war with a "lil country" called Japan that had managed to violently take over huge swaths of the West Pacific, and had directly attacked the United States at Pearl Harbor. There is no such thing as fighting fair in a war...this just a strange notion of yours. The side with the better technology, the bigger and better armed forces, the better strategy, the better resources, the greater will to win...wins. To save a few hundred thousand American soldiers who would have died invading the Japanese homeland, they decided to demonstrate that they now had overwhelming power...so the Japanese had no other option but to surrender.

Just like Israel, all they have shown to the world is that ,they love to steal land and starve civilians, and drop cutter bombs and advanced weapons on a people that throw rocks and shot bows and arrows
,driving there tanks through villages and flying helicopters and f14 around.. reminds me of the movie ’ ‘avatar’

Okay, what lands have America stolen? America's history has been to fight an enemy, win the war, help that defeated country to rebuild, and then to give the country back...which is what is now in the process of happening in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

I am half German, half Irish with Cherokee blood, I always wondered why HITLER did what he did. Now I know why .

Does this actually make sense to you? Hitler decided to take over Europe, and to eradicate the Jews (and Gypsies, and the handicapped, and the mentally ill, etc.) because...why?

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by regolith

 

Whatever.

Everyone always wants the US to go around the world and stop every genocide, and police the world to their liking...And when we actually do just that people whine that we used the wrong kinds of bombs..

I would LOVE the US to stop being the world police just so we could tell the rest of the world where to stick it when the SHTF.

edit on 17-2-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

What genocide's Iraq? I would love for there to be no world police as there is no need for such a thing.
Who is everyone that wants the US to be the world police?
What are the wrong kind of bombs to use on people living in mud huts ....who own all these weapons of mass destruction?

I would do more than whine if you bombed my home and I survived to tell you I am just a serf, no wonder the US lacks any kind of support except for maybe the UK and Canada.
I believe when the SHTF the US will be answering directly to China and it will not be pretty in my opinion.
Regards, Iwinder

The President of Iran starts most of his public speeches with a prayer for the coming of the 12th Imman.

To force Allah to match events and provide the 12th Imman, the Muslims must kill Jews and start the chaos of widespread war.

It's not important whether you and I believe that crap - it's only important that Iran and Muslim fundamentalists believe the crap in the Hadith.

The first rule of boulschitting is to never start believing your own boulschitt. (I think that's an old Bavarian word circa 1300-1350 for malarkey.)

Iran and its religious fanatics in charge really do want to kick this off.

One of the primary rules of warfare is to know your enemy. Know his intent, intuit his plans, and evaluate his actions so that he may be circumvented.

There is only one purpose for this little showing in the Med - a provocation.

He who hits first, can't be hit first.

Nothing like a fist in the mouth to make a point.

Maybe some venturing "Somali Pirates" could take the ships and sink them, the Israelis could take the pirates captive, and then "negotiate" their release.

Originally posted by Iwinder
reply to post by Hongkongphooey

 

BTW, I have been to Palestinian areas and what you call ghettos and they are just like normal towns anywhere in the middle east. I even spent time in the West Bank many years ago as a volunteer until I got fed up of the hate filled propaganda. It pained me to see children brainwashed to hate and taught how to use a gun at a young age, how to throw rocks and who to target. I have seen it first hand, so please don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about.

If anyone came here to Canada and took our land, bulldozed buildings and cut off the food supply. I am afraid flying rocks would be your last worry here.

Try about a hundred thousand plus a few more million high powered deer/moose/big game rifles.

Try to remember that almost all people here at ATS do not watch the national news if you can call it that...........................we know what is going on there and it is not the Arabs/Muslims/Bin Laden or anyone else doing the oppression.

The problem is a little closer to North America, that is why the news with views is a bit slanted here.... $$$$$$$$
Regards, Iwinder

You mean like your forefathers did? I am sorry but with that opinion don't you think you should give Canada back to the native indiginous people?

reply to post by bluemirage5

US military will want to board it first for weapons.

And with WHAT AUTHORITY? Seriously, the US thinks they own the world.

The US won't do squat, nor Israel.