Israel Warns It Might Act on Iranian Warships Passing Through Suez Canal

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
reply to post by Immortalgemini527

 

Dude, muslims aren't a race.... I'm muslim, and I'm black, does that mean that I'm really from Iran?? Get it together..

Think before you talk...period !

The Iranian ships should enter the canal in about an hour or so.

And so it begins? Kidding. Most likely nothing will happen. Since the ships are supposed to be in the area for about a year... we cannot ``worry`` about it everyday or it'll be a long year.

reply to post by tommyjo

But is that really true? It made a great headline when it appeared, but how accurate was that story?

Well even the JPost reported it..

Israeli submarines are known to periocially visit the area but this is the first report that they may be permanently stationed there.

www.jpost.com...
Probably get refueled/supplied at sea..

This is just ships crossing a path. You guys are really influenced by the media hype.

About Israeli submarines in the Suez Canal.. don't fool yourselves. I've been in Shayetet 7.. when I was there, there were only 4 submarines. It was only a couple of years ago.
Don't know what's the situation now but I don't believe Israel purchased more than one or two more subs.

Anyway, there are no subs stationed in the Suez Canal. IDF logistics is terrible right now and I highly doubt we'd be able to supply and take care of subs over there.

Although, there's a chance that subs are being launched there these days.

Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
This is just ships crossing a path. You guys are really influenced by the media hype.

True, all sides are good at barking....

Originally posted by FarArcher
The President of Iran starts most of his public speeches with a prayer for the coming of the 12th Imman.

To force Allah to match events and provide the 12th Imman, the Muslims must kill Jews and start the chaos of widespread war.

It's not important whether you and I believe that crap - it's only important that Iran and Muslim fundamentalists believe the crap in the Hadith. ...

Before 2005, Iran was a moderate country moving toward a modern democratic society on its own, without outside intervention. But after 2005, something happened in Iran to cause it to transformed itself to an extremist Islamic state. That was the year Ahmadinejad was elected President of Iran. What was motivation to cause Iran to change its political course by 180 degrees? Could it be the U.S. invasion and occuppation of Iran's next door neighbor,Iraq, in 2003 that made the Iranian people fidgety? Or the U.S./Jewish neo-cons grand scheme of pacifying the entire Middle East to bring it under its control? I believe the doctrine was called the New American Century, or the New World Order. The intent was to make the Middle East safe for Israel by "pacifying" the Arabs.

reply to post by coolieno99


hey Far Archer, educate this fine young person about what happened in Iran in the late 70's early 80's to include weird Al yanka_ick's iatolla song played to the hit "My Scheronia". I cant because I was a snot nosed just out of bootcamp kid. Throw in Olly North and the Hit he took for his President. And how long the last American Hostage was held. 2005 my back side!!! but thats history now.

reply to post by coolieno99

Persians, since the fall of the Persian Empire has looked forward to its return for centuries. I'm not joking, and I used to listen to Iranians (Aryans) brag about how great things were in Persia, and how great they will be again one day. I used to listen to their BS claims of Aryan connections, which oddly, only came into being with the Nazi regime.

Persians and Arabs are traditional, long-term enemies. They hate and despise each other. The Persians consider themselves much superior to Arabs in intellect, education, past history, bloodlines, and culture. Arabs just hate Persians (Iranians) because often, the in fact feel inferior to Persians as they overall are less educated, their history is of being Persian subjects, and they don't have a lot of cultural claims other than literally, millennia ago - pyramids, Babylon, etc.

But. Being Muslim nations, they both are taught primarily in the Hadith that they are to kill Jews. Kill them where they find them. Kill unbelievers. Give them a choice - convert or die.

So right now, Iran is trying to position itself as the big Muslim on the block, hoping to lead even their traditional enemies to destroy Israel - identified as the only "Jewish" nation - in accordance with the teachings of Muhammed.

Iran/Persia has selective memory that will bring them to their own destruction.

Let me state a fact. Whenever Eastern powers fought Western powers, the Eastern powers have lost and been slaughtered, every single time through history.

As long as Easterners pick on other Easterners, then it's only logical that an Eastern power will rule.

Even the mighty Persian Empire. Darius of Persia (Eastern) attacked Greece (Western) and you can read yourself of him first losing a mighty fleet of 300 ships and 20,000 men in a storm at Cape Athos, and then the slaughter at Marathon, where the Greeks enjoyed a 33:1 kill ratio, and that's using the conservative numbers.

His son Xerxes determined to do what his father couldn't. Xerxes brought 250,000+ man army and at the Hot Gates, 7,000 Greeks, 300 of whom were Spartans and 700 were Thespians, killed 25,000 Persians. One thousand Greeks died and at least 25,000 Persians died there for a 25:1 kill ratio.

A year later at Salamis, a Greek fleet sank 200 of Xerxes ships and 40,000 of his sailors for a 40:1 kill ratio.

The following Spring, Persian general Mardonius and 300,000 Persians met 60,000 Greeks at Plataea, and all but 43,000 Persians were killed there, with the surviving 43,000 killed at the Strymon river estuary just a short time later - a kill ratio of some 220:1.

Next time we see Persians fight, it's against Alexander where at Granicus Alexander (Westerners) enjoyed a 26:1 kill ratio against the Persians.

At Issus, Alexander fought them early evening, and only enjoyed a 4:1 kill ratio as the Persians lost the battle and ran, escaping enmasse in the darkness.

At Arbela, Alexander's smaller 47,000 man army met Xerxes larger 250,000 man army, and while outnumbered 5:1, enjoyed a 100:1 kill ratio - a slaughter.

Ever see the high technology Mach 2 Iranian F-55 air superiority fighter named the al-Camelcrapper? Or have you noted the large, Persian carrier battle groups? How about their cutting edge main battle tank, the Goatfoot? No, even in spite of their education and significant oil money, if it weren't for Western nations selling them military hardware, they'd still be using wicker shields and composite bows.

Even the oil in the East. It was the West who found the oil, financed and drilled for it, established the oil industry infrastructure, and in turn enabled their good fortune. Left to their own Easter devices, they'd still be living in stone structures or tents, scratching their asses left handed while chewing on mutton, and washing it all down with a sheep-skin canteen while betting on goat races.

Eastern versus Western.

for every distant Western defeat such as at Dien Bien Phu where the non-Westerners were using massive numbers of Western weapons - artillery, firearms, mortars, rockets, etc., there is a Khe Sanh. For every Isandlhwana, there is a Roark's Drift. For every Pearl Harbor, there is a Leyte Gulf. For every Coral Sea, there's a Midway.

For every Wake Island, there's a Nagasaki/Hiroshima. For every Thermopylae, there's a Plataea.

Persia, or Iran is destined to lose, and lose badly. Their eighth century religion restricts their advancements. They're brave to be sure, but they're hamburger.

One nation in the Middle East stand out from the rest.

Israel.

A nation of WESTERN immigrants, forward thinking, brilliant, excellent weapons systems of their own right, and as evidence since their inception, tactical excellence of superior character. Plus, they're not restricted by an archaic religion that keeps trying to drag the practitioners back to the eighth century.

Here in the US, we have weapons systems and platforms that have never seen the light of day. Westerners after all, are the spearpoint of military weapons development, and the US is the tip of the spearpoint.

And we are collectively one stiff-backed people. We won't bow down to anyone.

It's worked out well.

Western nations can war like no other who ever existed on earth.

Egypt just announced that 2 Iranian vessels have been allowed to transit the canal. No other information was provided.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Egypt just announced that 2 Iranian vessels have been allowed to transit the canal. No other information was provided.

Well it seems they didn't go through today. So we'll see in the next few days...

reply to post by FarArcher


Voice of the Empire.

As backward as the Islamic faith can be when practiced by its more zealous and ignorant adherents, you seem to express an utter contempt for the people of this entire region. The Middle East isn't our playground. The best strategy I see in the long run is just leaving the place alone and letting them crawl out of their own hole at their own leisurely pace.

reply to post by backinblack


Yes of course the Jerusalem Post will publish such info. Have you never heard of military authorities using their own media to spin a story for their advantage? The JP is notorious for hyping such stories in relation to the Israeli military. Note how the quotes are always from un-named mysterious Israeli military sources? The Iranians do the same in hyping their military in order to makes their forces, weapons system or platform appear like the greatest thing since sliced bread. It is great for internal consumption and all part of the propaganda game.

The result is that the Iranians are put on the defensive. As if they don't have enough to contend with due to US and Coalition subs and vessels in the Persian/Arabian Gulf, but now they have the rumours of Israelis subs off their coast. Bluff and counter bluff are all part of the big game. In reality the Israeli subs are happily in the Med and Red Sea with the Iranian Naval Commanders always on the back foot thinking that the subs are patrolling off their coastline.

TJ

reply to post by paradigmshifter

I hold in contempt any people who would allow and follow such an intolerant, backward, violent, immoral religion, and yet I stated that the Persians courage takes a back seat to no one.

They marched youth and soldiers into masses of gunfire of Iraqi forces during the Iraq/Iran war. They were slaughtered by the thousands. Courage? Yes. Stupidity through passion? Yes.

A very excitable people, both Persians and Arabs. Overly emotional. Very temperamental. A very good thing to know and be able to utilize. Hell, they got so excited when the Ayatollah Khomeini died, they spilled his sorry ass right out of the box and onto the ground! That's decorum!

I was just stating facts of history. Every single time East meets West in mortal struggle, ultimately, West prevails, big time.

reply to post by paradigmshifter


Paradigmshifter, knowbody knows how old anybody is here because we give out too much info as it is. I venture to say you are born after 1970. You may share the idea that some sort of Socialistic Society may be the fair ticket to vote on. I'm not as old a Far Archer, I was in the second grade when he was thrashing bush and hunting Commies in a forgin land. I remember desk drills. Do you know what they are, Desk Drills? Do you have any idea what its like to be 7yrs. old and know what the effects of being drafted are. 7yr olds talking with their buddies ,"are you gonna go to college or get drafted?" those converstions at 7 yrs. Old...

Racial tension in the USA peeked in the 60's as the Veitnam war took some of that tension away and mostly we got it out of our systems, mostly. Some programs did work I guess. My point is Arabs hate to the death western civilization.
We Americans, well you young guys dont hate to the death anybody.Arabs in this country want to make the dollar, not take up our ways and live as Americans. I will except that there is an exception to the rule.

I will go out on a limb and say that any Americans born here in this country and CONVERT to Islam say to the teachings of Farahcom or Malcum X they are not living the religion of the Arabs and cant relate to that culture....

You can keep thinking the Iranians are a peaceful loving Country and Culture but do this. Go live in Yemen, Saudi or Iran. Especialy if you are a woman....I bet you sing a different song when you return

Originally posted by FarArcher
The following Spring, Persian general Mardonius and 300,000 Persians met 60,000 Greeks at Plataea, and all but 43,000 Persians were killed there, with the surviving 43,000 killed at the Strymon river estuary just a short time later - a kill ratio of some 220:1. .... etc
At Arbela, Alexander's smaller 47,000 man army met Xerxes larger 250,000 man army, and while outnumbered 5:1, enjoyed a 100:1 kill ratio - a slaughter. .... etc.

Instead of going so far back to Ancient History (dubious value because many of these historical "facts" were written by the Greeks themselves), let's start with 1914 (beginning of WW 1) because that's when modern Middle East history begins. And that's when Britain, French, and Greece decided to carved up the Middle East (Ottoman Turk Empire) among themselves. At that time the Germans sided with the Turks. Russia's involvement is too complicated to discuss. Anyway, the Turks defeated the Greeks in the Greco-Turkish War(1919-1922), and drove the Greek army out of Turkey. 24,000 Greek soldiers were killed in the process.

Originally posted by FarArcher
for every distant Western defeat such as at Dien Bien Phu where the non-Westerners were using massive numbers of Western weapons - artillery, firearms, mortars, rockets, etc., there is a Khe Sanh.

The Americans were using even more massive weaponry in the Vietnam War. They did not restraint themselves. The Americans dropped 7 million tons of bombs (twice the total tonnage dropped in WW 2) in Vietnam. Despite this, they still lost the Vietnam War with 58,000 American servicemen killed.

reply to post by coolieno99


We didn't lose Vietnam.

In December of 1972 we bombed the crap out of the North in Operation Linebacker II. It was the largest bombing by the US since WW2. Industrialy and economically, the North was devastated. The next month, January 1973, they signed a treaty in the 1973 Paris Peace Accords ending the war.

Following this the US Democratic controlled Congress passed the Case-Church Amendment, preventing the US from intervening in the event the North attacked the South.

The next year, 1974, the Paris Peace Accords died and we could do nothing but watch as South Vietnam was defeated and fell in 1975.

Had we been able to intervene the North would not have attacked the South.

So please study some history and stop spreading misinformation.

Originally posted by mikeybiznaz
reply to post by jaynkeel

 

Saudi is running out of oil, how far will they go to sell their last drops?

Running out of oil?
I share the belief that the murdered MIT professor proclaimed, oil is a effervescing carbon chain that that grows as it ascends from the mantle. It is continuously being renewed. This is why the Texas and Wyoming dry oil fields are refilling.

reply to post by Violater1


do your research and the math...Saudi has pumped their wells nearly dry... I stand on my statement..Yes we know about Abiotic oil. Saudi King will pump it dry and leave his Nation. leaving yet another power vacume in an Arab Nation

Originally posted by mikeybiznaz
reply to post by Violater1

 

do your research and the math...Saudi has pumped their wells nearly dry... I stand on my statement..Yes we know about Abiotic(sic) oil. Saudi King will pump it dry and leave his Nation. leaving yet another power vacume(sic) in an Arab Nation

I see that you are a juvenile member that just started here a few weeks ago. Before you jump in and attempt to flame someone, you need to read the post first. I disagree with your statement that Saudi, or anyone is running out of oil. I correct myself, I was thinking of another person. Thomas Gold, a professor of Astrophysics at Cornell University, Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society (1948), the Royal Society (1964), the American Geophysical Union (1962), the American Academy of Arts and Sciences (1974), and the American Astronautical Society, a member of the American Philosophical Society (1972), the United States National Academy of Sciences (1974) and the International Academy of Astronautics, and an Honorary Fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge (1986). In addition, he served as President of the New York Astronomical Society from 1981 to 1986. Gold won the John Frederick Lewis Prize from the American Philosophical Society in 1972 for his paper "The Nature of the Lunar Surface: Recent Evidence" and the Humboldt Prize from the Alexander von Humboldt Foundation in 1979. In 1985, Gold won the prestigious Gold Medal of the Royal Astronomical Society, an award whose recipients include Fred Hoyle, Hermann Bondi, Martin Ryle, Edwin Hubble, James Van Allen, Fritz Zwicky, Hannes Alfvén and Albert Einstein, and was a consultant to NASA, holding positions on several national space committees, including the President's Science Advisory Committee, as the United States developed its space program. One of his books, The Deep Hot Biosphere : The Myth of Fossil Fuels, elaborates on his study that proves oil is a renewing resource. Professor Gold died of cardiac issues. Performing a quick search on the above, and READING the document should provide you some thought provoking understanding.
Now, what were you saying about research and math?

Yep, Saudi Arabia, according to Wikileak, is lying about what reserves they really have.

And so it will begin... monday.

Iran naval ships to cross Suez Canal on Monday

Two Iranian naval ships will sail through the Suez Canal to the Mediterranean on Monday, a Suez Canal official said, in what will be the first passage of Iranian naval ships through the canal since 1979.

Monday 6AM Cairo time... Sunday 11PM EST.

It will take about 12 hours to go through. So... Monday at noon, it shall begin.

Oil is sure to skyrocket monday morning.... even if this is just hyped BS.