IF the worlds Wealth was divided FAIRly

Great ideas...

World peace, no one suffering, equality..

gold stars all the way around....


Now for the rest of reality you have problems...

Who decides the fair distribution part....

What is their past...

how much for this processing do they charge...



Lets say you get lucky and succeed where communism failed... great leaders, no slackers, no power hungary fools...

the next part...

You will end up in the same situation you have now in about three to five years... unless you continue to remove problem children...

why?

easy, because you will have those who trade x for y, freedom/liberty for security, and or soervices for sex (hey it is the second oldest profession)

those who are not smart enough to monitor those trades.... and viola... we get back to where we are...

This is proven via history...

Its not an if it is a how... their is no way... should a union based teacher be paid the same as say a CPS caseworker or perhaps a LEO, or say an astronaut...

again who decides? that is the key, power....

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Thank you Ghost Viking, Fantastic Video,

Water.... or fresh drinking water for the western world really is (look at some of my previous posts) one of the major topics (IMO) of the next 5 years. Oil will either run out or People will demand cleaner produce for power therefore making oil EXTINCT, What will the rich then have to inflate prices for the people??????. I can not find the link but will search for the evidence that the E.U and the U.S are purposly allowing Reservoirs and other manmade water storage programmes to depleat or cut funding, Bewl water in England is one such example www.highbeam.com... Again any story regarding drinking water shortage is not the easiest to find and most people will class the thoughts i have as crazy concerning this issue.

I would how ever be interested in the Australian feed back on this issue as i beleive your MSM has on numerous occasions made suggestions that drinking water is running out in your country..... Please do not think for one second that i was trying to add a joke about the Australian floods as i am deadly serious. I read some where in a book or thread that OZ was going to be the first place we would see inflated drinking water prices. If food and drinking water go up in price the poplace would struggle and again this leads to Egypt/Tunisia type scenarioes where the peeps are sick of just working and having F**K all to show for it. All the time the Elite are living in homes fit for Gods and in countries like mine we would not be allowed the Freedom to protest as they are in the East. Marshall Law?? Me in the Klink for having radical views??? my Mrs and kids?????? Who knows!

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this is why it's better for each nation to stop importing and start creating the stuff themselves. if they don't have a resource, THEN import it, but what's the point of importing when your land has the resources and a ready made work force, THAT NEED JOBS? south africa has this problem. the usa has this problem. zimbabwe, has this problem. etc.
stop importing, start creating your own stuff, puts everyone to work.

easy solution.

Originally posted by MahNishtanah
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Thank you Ghost Viking, Fantastic Video,

Water.... or fresh drinking water for the western world really is (look at some of my previous posts) one of the major topics (IMO) of the next 5 years. Oil will either run out or People will demand cleaner produce for power therefore making oil EXTINCT, What will the rich then have to inflate prices for the people??????. I can not find the link but will search for the evidence that the E.U and the U.S are purposly allowing Reservoirs and other manmade water storage programmes to depleat or cut funding, Bewl water in England is one such example www.highbeam.com... Again any story regarding drinking water shortage is not the easiest to find and most people will class the thoughts i have as crazy concerning this issue

I would how ever be interested in the Australian feed back on this issue as i beleive your MSM has on numerous occasions made suggestions that drinking water is running out in your country..... Please do not think for one second that i was trying to add a joke about the Australian floods as i am deadly serious. I read some where in a book or thread that OZ was going to be the first place we would see inflated drinking water prices. If food and drinking water go up in price the poplace would struggle and again this leads to Egypt/Tunisia type scenarioes where the peeps are sick of just working and having F**K all to show for it. All the time the Elite are living in homes fit for Gods and in countries like mine we would not be allowed the Freedom to protest as they are in the East. Marshall Law?? Me in the Klink for having radical views??? my Mrs and kids?????? Who knows!

no problem friend i hope the video confirmed what your research told you
You mention Australia what the hell is happening there ? If theres such a thing as HAarp then they are targeting my aussie mates quite heavily , What would Tptb gain from this ? obviously depopulation but i feel there is something more to this ?Any thoughts aussies , hope you are safe !

Originally posted by DonnaLynn
Define "fairly" please.

If by "fairly" you mean I get to keep what I work my butt off for, then I would have as much as I earn. No more no less.

Communism does not work and never will. What works is a sense of self worth, hard work, and self preservation.

I pretty much disagree with every point you make.

Why is Communism the only answer most people immediately say when someone opposes the way things are.

Why don't people realize society will need to change if we're going to have self-preservation as a SPECIES. The current system is broken, and you can't argue that.

What worked 100 years ago can't be sustained indefinitely. The World is going to change, and technology will ensure that. The current economies of the World is based on a system that creates inefficiency and scarcity. That will change.

What works is not self-worth based on consumption and what 'you have'. What works is not hard work for money that does nothing but drown us in more work...all to pay for the money we created. Innovation and creation does not have to be "hard". People work themselves to death for nothing but self-preservation, there is no sense of community when in fact we desperately need each other to survive. So if it's not capitalism and competition, it's Communism.

Well, i think if this happened. And the money value held up.I think within a year the balance would VERY QUICKLY shift back. Within a decade it would be horribly misproportioned again. Basically the people who had no money would blow it all, the smart clever people would amass all the money being blown by the financially slow. Basically he only thing i think this would do would just make the people who have money smarter and more clever.

I see it similar to the spear of the united states. Most of the people moving out West were pretty much broke. Most of the people who made their fortunes were the smart crafty people. Most started pretty much on equal planes but over time the balance swayed. Its just the natural flow of things.

If you tried to maintain it as an equal flt money system the people with the ability to do great things or to come up with great ideas to advance our world would have no motivation to do so, and the lazy people who do nothing would just sit on their bums and take the free money for doing nothing. And yes this is pretty similar to why the communist monetary system was not a success.

Originally posted by 12345lonestar
Well, i think if this happened. And the money value held up.I think within a year the balance would VERY QUICKLY shift back. Within a decade it would be horribly misproportioned again. Basically the people who had no money would blow it all, the smart clever people would amass all the money being blown by the financially slow.

correction: NOT the financially slow. the financially lied to, the financially taken to the cleaners. the financially taken advantage of

just to recap
substitute wealth in the OP for food / water .
money is too hard too seperate from peoples hands lol
so
What if the resources of food/ water were distributed fairly .




some say this is socialism or communism
imo when you say this its almost dooming it to fail by association which is rash .

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by 12345lonestar
Well, i think if this happened. And the money value held up.I think within a year the balance would VERY QUICKLY shift back. Within a decade it would be horribly misproportioned again. Basically the people who had no money would blow it all, the smart clever people would amass all the money being blown by the financially slow.

correction: NOT the financially slow. the financially lied to, the financially taken to the cleaners. the financially taken advantage of

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undo , do you think theres a better alternative to cash money ?
As for credit , do you agree its just an incentive to spend cash we dont have and that banks have too much power?
I asked some bank workers if it was true that they were allowed to lend more money than is physically in the bank , they said yes by a lot .
great job owning a bank ay ?

reply to post by TheGhostViking


better alternative? bartering works too. i make an item and give it to guy A in exchange for his item A. then i go to guy B, who has an item i need (item B) and give him part of item A from guy A, in exchange for item B. lol same thing as money, really. but i don't see why it has to be relegated to one type of currency, anyway. currency is whatever we say it is, in the long run. if i say i will babysit for free, or in exchange for haivng my lawn mowed, same same.

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Define wealth. Question 2 is land, but is land not part of wealth? Does land need to belong to anyone? And if land needs to belong to individuals, wouldn't just land being distributed equally solve the wealth issue?

Edit: Ok, wealth is food and water. I agree with that analysis, because if anything, the only thing of any real quality that wealth stands for is food, water and shelter (which, in the loosest sense could include clothing).

I think every major problem that confronts humanity (not all problems, they're will always be problems as long as life is a compromise and evolution is still taking place) would be solved by equal access to food, water and shelter. It would mean less people living in cities, especially in places like Las Vegas and Phoenix where there is simply not enough water and certainly easy access to food as a result.

Originally posted by undo
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better alternative? bartering works too. i make an item and give it to guy A in exchange for his item A. then i go to guy B, who has an item i need (item B) and give him part of item A from guy A, in exchange for item B. lol same thing as money, really. but i don't see why it has to be relegated to one type of currency, anyway. currency is whatever we say it is, in the long run. if i say i will babysit for free, or in exchange for haivng my lawn mowed, same same.

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YES i was hoping you would say that ! I agree not only is it a better deal , you are becoming more of a community, by helping each other , like the bees that work but without a queen bee ie tptb . The more effort we put in means advantages for us not tptb . like giving money to a local shop instead of global chain , win win .

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i think cash money is still useful, for larger items or dealing with big projects across international boundaries, but see no reason to suggest there's no other kind of money. cause there is. if the parties involved agree to see it as compensation in trade, not much can argue against that.

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Its not an if it is a how... their is no way... should a union based teacher be paid the same as say a CPS caseworker or perhaps a LEO, or say an astronaut... again who decides? that is the key, power....

get rid of money , tptb will get rid of cash eventually anyway and change it for microchips . like undo just said the barter system is more sensible and less intruding than rfid , The bartar system is what we used before tptb took control if us and made us worship money , they brought it in for many reasons and has been one of our downfalls ever since .

money aint the root of all evil its much more than that . Non Phixion

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I think credit is just a way to get more money out of people. You have 10 people with 10 bucks...You can only make $100 off of them. But if you say, OK ill take $5 and you can pay me back later...You then can make $150 quicker than waiting for them to get that next $5.

Who knows, maybe eventually every US citizen will be born with $100,000 of credit. haha Basically be slaves to the financial system from birth because you know anyone who was born with $100,000 would have blown it ASAP and spend most of their lives paying it off. But the economy would BOOM!

Its just an accelerator for the wealthy to get more wealth. But you can also use credit to your advantage. IT takes money to make money. Basically the whole stock market is a form of credit. kinda.

Alternatives to equal money....Well the problem will be people just getting money for nothing. I saw this foremost while working at an apartment complex where most of the tenants were havign their housing paid for by the government. Most just sat around watching TV all day. They would honestly tell me they were not goign to go work because they would work all week to get what they got at the current time being for doing nothing. I don't see this as beneficial or fair to those who DO work and pay large amounts of taxes.

But you would think some sort of luxury tax would work as long as those getting the luxury tax money were earning. Being put towards decent paying jobs with opportunities to work their way up or to learn skills that would give them a good entry level to get a non government subsidized job. But being the average income is around $10,000, the luxury tax would likely be quite low..$15,000. And most people in developed countries would be against it. The only way this would ever work would to start it very small and slowly increase it over time which is pretty much what we have become accustomed too. The idea is introduced, its implemented so small it barely affects our lives and over time it gets bigger and bigger until it is a huge burden. Not exactly ethical but would it be for the better good? I wouldn't mind paying an extra $200 a year for something like this, but i would mind payign $2000!

Its really an unbalanced and unfair system. The rich have the power and the tools to get rich and the poor have less and less hope and will power to do anything. But it is the natural flow.

If you structure income by job...like the old CCCP, you take away the entrepreneurial spirit. No one will want to be an inventor. There is no gold at the end of the rainbow. You take away ambition and motivation for people and the Country to progress. Also anytime an opportunity is opened to help people there are those waiting to abuse it which ruin it for everyone. If it were an easy solution it would have already been done.

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The trouble...How do you transfer from a money system to a barter system.

Also a barter system would just eventually turn into another monetary system. God forbid you mine coal! you have to take a truck just to get some groceries. And who wants a ton of coal every time someone wants a few groceries. Its easier to carry a few bills.IT also takes many of the steps out of bartering. The exchange of $10 could easily replace 20 trade transactions.

Originally posted by 12345lonestar
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The trouble...How do you transfer from a money system to a barter system.

Also a barter system would just eventually turn into another monetary system. God forbid you mine coal! you have to take a truck just to get some groceries. And who wants a ton of coal every time someone wants a few groceries. Its easier to carry a few bills.IT also takes many of the steps out of bartering. The exchange of $10 could easily replace 20 trade transactions.

right, which is why i said, there's no reason to have only one type of currency. there's lots of possibility, goods, services, bartering or cash, gold, silver, land, whatever you want to exchange should be viable and still is, atm, anyway.

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food, water and shelter.

three words that can mean life or death. we take them for granted i do for sure .
But if the Un and other bodies were not just a sham they should have tried to provide those things instead of allowing bombs to be dropped on civlians .
The world is a lie everything is down to depopulation , the only people you might be able to trust now are your friends and family . sad but true .

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Were you to do that within a year 50% of the people would be poor and 15% of the people would be wealthy in a comparative sense.

Within 5 years 75% of the people would be poor and the income disparity would be as great as it is today, if not greater.

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The world is divided into the Have Nots and Have sh#t loads.
If everybody earns the same amount, then who is going to clean the toilets?, and why should they do it if working in a air conditioned office stamping foreclosure notices pays the same.

1% of the US population holds 1/3 of the Countries Wealth
50% of the US population holds 2.5% of the Countries Wealth.

If it wasn't for all the Poor people in the US their would be no Rich bastards
The poor are paying for the lifestyles of the Wealthy,