IF the worlds Wealth was divided FAIRly

Originally posted by Kangaruex4EweWanting more in life is what drives people to be productive and contribute. If everyone gets the same thing no matter what, why bother to do anything?

This kind of mentality is programmed into you by the elite masters, and has been that way for the last 100 years. In keeping the population constantly striving for new heights of narcissism they don't see the bigger picture of working not for themselves, but to provide innovation and better means of living for those around them.

Did Nikola Testla want more for himself, in his drive to provide free wireless energy to the world, or was he thinking with more selfless desires and trying to make the world better for everyone else? The latter seems more likely to me.

BBC's documentary "The Century of the Self" is a pretty good rundown on why you're reply is an automated response -- because the idea of sharing threatens the narcissism persona you've been trained into to be a cheerleader of capitalism.

Originally posted by Evil_Santa

Originally posted by Kangaruex4EweWanting more in life is what drives people to be productive and contribute. If everyone gets the same thing no matter what, why bother to do anything?

This kind of mentality is programmed into you by the elite masters, and has been that way for the last 100 years. In keeping the population constantly striving for new heights of narcissism they don't see the bigger picture of working not for themselves, but to provide innovation and better means of living for those around them.

Did Nikola Testla want more for himself, in his drive to provide free wireless energy to the world, or was he thinking with more selfless desires and trying to make the world better for everyone else? The latter seems more likely to me.

BBC's documentary "The Century of the Self" is a pretty good rundown on why you're reply is an automated response -- because the idea of sharing threatens the narcissism persona you've been trained into to be a cheerleader of capitalism.

Yes. I do not understand how that illusion takes root in the first place. If helping your species get ahead in the world is not enough motivation for you, then you were raised incorrectly. My motivation in my professional life has never been money. The people who believe money and screwing others out of it are the only factors keeping people from sleeping in everyday... they are the ones who give free enterprise a bad name.

Originally posted by TheGhostViking
reply to post by sara123123

 

results in total enslavement, poverty, blood sacrifice, and oppression.

Well that sounds that like the nwo to me and that it is ruling us !

It will get much, murch worse when they move power from every nation's government to the UN. The NWO is a work in progress that we have to stop. It is an absolute emergency that we stop any more treaties or agreements turning over rule of the US to the UN.

Some great points here , good debate ! Im going to do some more studying .

Originally posted by Evil_Santa

Originally posted by Kangaruex4EweWanting more in life is what drives people to be productive and contribute. If everyone gets the same thing no matter what, why bother to do anything?

This kind of mentality is programmed into you by the elite masters, and has been that way for the last 100 years. In keeping the population constantly striving for new heights of narcissism they don't see the bigger picture of working not for themselves, but to provide innovation and better means of living for those around them.

Did Nikola Testla want more for himself, in his drive to provide free wireless energy to the world, or was he thinking with more selfless desires and trying to make the world better for everyone else? The latter seems more likely to me.

BBC's documentary "The Century of the Self" is a pretty good rundown on why you're reply is an automated response -- because the idea of sharing threatens the narcissism persona you've been trained into to be a cheerleader of capitalism.

Yes agree , some of Teslas inventions were designed for humanities benefit but they got shot down by tptb . Tesla was a genius .

a reply to: TheGhostViking

The point is not distributing wealth fairly, as any one would have their own opinion on what is fair. Rather the word equally is what we need. The exact same amount of money for every person. But then goes the problem of age, so all babies should receive the same amount of money as ill elders? I would say yes, this is equality. But then some would abuse by having many babies. So a limit on babies any mother could have would be imposed, 2 is a good number, allows for siblings and would not allow for too much abuse as any given family would have at most 2 kids. Other issue is work time. Should all receive the same even if some don't work? I would say no. Everyone should receive that same amount of money for the same amount of working time. No work, no money. If everyone received the same amount of money for the same amount of time, everyone could be working around 2 days a week! That sounds really awesome. The blind, the deaf, the really elder, the mentally challenged, the inmovilized, even the extremely lazy, all could work, doing some things that do not require what they don't have, examples of all these are ample.

The land could have the same sort of thing, a maximum square footage of land every single person should be allowed, also a maximum to how high they can build.

With these ways people will work very little, own pretty much the same, and use the rest of all that free time loving others, having sex, sharing time with peers, using and enjoying all those public spaces, having really long spiritual and mind drug-induced trips, sports and exercise, cleaning everything, maintaining and fixing stuff, growing food, resting, or just simply contemplating nature or creating arts and engaging in creative collectives.

a reply to: 12voltz

Bullcrap. Complete lies. That is not communism. That is called corruption and it happens in every society and economic system, especially when people always want more endlessly and feel entitled to more endlessly, such as in capitalism.

Soviet Russia and China were NOT communism. They may had been called that by american propaganda just to justify their neoliberalism, just on paper communism, but in reality, in the facts those were more like monarchies, tyrannies or oligarchies, where a small group of people controlled everything and could get rid of dissidents at will. That is no communism, that is oligarchy or tyranny, like the one lived in the USA today.

True social-welfare, community-oriented countries like the nordic ones have the greatest living standards on the planet. Do not confuse having a lot of money with great quality of life. The USA is the most powerful and richest country in the world, yet it is not, by far, the best country to live in or one with the best quality of life.

a reply to: bluedrake

Lies. Complete lies. Debt is an invention same as interest. If everyone had the same amount of money no one would owe no one anything. Interest and debt is an invention by and for the rich to become richer and make the rest slaves. No one would need to ask no one for money as everyone would have the same amount, the cost of all services would go down and people would only have to work few days a week. The rest of the time they will be using all those public spaces and services, wandering nature, etc.
Mother earth can host all of us. What is destroying it is the abuse of the industrial complex not the footprint of individuals. There were millions of people living on earth long time ago, and many more millions before them, and so on, accounting into billions, and earth was fine. True deterioration of air, water and soil started with the industrial complex. It is said that all world population only lives in one hundredth of all available land.

a reply to: MR BOB

Nonsense. No. If anyone had zero money how would inflation would occur? Someone would be asking for money for things wouldn't it? The issue would be that everyone would have to work the same amount of time and how to ensure this.

If anyone had the same amount of money and worked the same amount of time we would all be very much better than right now. What happens now is more and more money and power is concentrating in fewer and fewer hands. The middle works more and more for less and less. The poor grow in numbers and keep unemployed. The wealth gap is increasing like never before in history. This is product of this system where everyone earns differently and works different amounts of time, a system of privileges for fewer and fewer people every day. A system where a guy with privileged information can take a decision and make millions in minutes and where others do real physically-stressing hard work and never make that much. A system that does not value the TIME of all people equally.

a reply to: woogleuk

The majority aka the poor would see their quality of life and access to stuff and purchasing power increased. The closer you were situated to the top of the pyramid the more you would see all those diminished. But, since the closer you get to the top of the pyramid is less and less people aka the 1%, it wouldn't matter as the majority would benefit. Only a very few would have to lose billions and live like anyone else, then a little more would lose millions and have to live like anyone else and then a few more will lose thousands of dollars and would have to live like anyone else. Which would not be that bad. They will lose their privileges and big houses and cars, and etc but all humanity will gain an equal world, where everyone enjoys life, where everyone has more or less equal purchasing power, where everyone has more or less same free time and with same quality, a very more peaceful world concentrated in other stuff such as collaboration, and not in competition and greed, etc.

a reply to: loves a conspiricy

So if wealth only can be calculated on valuable resources then wealth is fixed as the natural resources of earth are fixed. If any invention by any one allowed for bigger yields or for new resources, the invention should be treated as public good and the riches distributed equally among all people. So everyone will be equally richer the next day, so it would be the same thing as the day before but with added benefits. The point is not wealth but time. everyone should have the same amopunt of purchasing power or the same amount of access to anything, but also work the same amount of time, that way no one would feel ripped off or entitled to more #.

Also, define valuable resources.

a reply to: roguesoul

Great movie. I would say most important thing is TIME. Everyone should work the same amount of time. Yes, even kids. And earn the same amount. With this system everyone would just have to work 2 days a week or so, and the rest of the time would be free time and enjoy life with your purchasing power which is the same as anyone else's. Also the amount of kids per mother should be restricted to a given number, say 2, for all their lifetime.

a reply to: loves a conspiricy

Agree. This is the root of all evil. The central banking system, money, interest, greed, speculation.

If everyone worked the same amount of time for the same amount of money (aka access or purchasing power) there would ne no need for schools, no need for interest, no need for debt, no need for speculation, banking, etc etc etc.

a reply to: DonnaLynn

Fairly is subjective to everybody so no point everyone giving you their own definition or belief of what is fair. The word is equally. Just make everybody receive the same amount of money and work the same amount of time, no privileges, thats it. If this was implemented everyone would work at most 2 days per week, google it make the numbers.

Define "work your butt for"...that is ridiculous and very subjective. What for you might be working your butt off for others would be a walk in the park and for others totally unacceptable. The only objective things are quantities, as in eauql amount of money and equal amount of working time per week.

There is no earning. Everyone should work the same amount of time and get paid the same amount of money, regardless of line of work.

Who said communism does not work and never will? Soviet russia and CHina were not communist states, this was just american propaganda to push their neoliberal agenda. If anything Soviet and China were in the facts, not in paper, tyrannies or oligarchies where a small group of people controlled everything and everyone and never let power go. True community-oriented, social-welfare states such as the nordic countries have the best quality of life, by far. Not like the USA which although is very rich and powerful has not the best quality of life, by far too. More moneny and more power does nto translate to more happiness, more quality of life, less stress, etc.

Fact is that, under american capitalist leadership, the world is now experiencing the greatest social and welath gaps ever, the greatest concentration of power/money in fewer hands than ever in history, the greatest amount of poor people, and the greatest amount of hate towards each other (crime, murder, terrorism, war, greed, selfishness, indifference, etc etc etc).

a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

No. That is NOT fair. That is just you being able to work more because you were not born with physical disabilities, you did not have a great accident that left you without arms, you did not suffer a family tragedy that does not allow you work as much, etc. Fair is subjective to everybody so no point using the word. Equal, that is the word. Equal amount of money and equal amount of time for everybody, that is equal, not fair BS.

If you were wanting to work more you would not be allowed, as everyone wants to work too, why you over them? Why privilege to you? No. Simply everyone works the same and earns the same. You are not allowed to work less or more.

a reply to: 547000

There is no such thing as wisely spending or not. It is called freedom. If you mean some would spend in investments that produce more money, that would not exist in the first place as we will all have the same amount of money! There would be no investment, no rentist schemes, no interest, no debt. Just a life of little work time, lots of free time, equal access as your peers and tons of contemplation and joy.

No, the only ones that don't want EQUAL wealth distribution are those closer to the top of the pyramid, they don't want to give away their privileges and would rather see a world in flames, so long as from the door to the inside of their house everything is shiny, huge and unique.

a reply to: palg1

No. The World GDP is calculated annually. If you mean that only new value created the next year would be divided by all people, then yes. It doesn't matter. 10 thousand dollars could last a lifetime because the price of everything would drop significantly because there would be no interest, no debt, no inflation and all that crap. Lest remember that cost of life is as high as it is because of all the interest schemes, all inflation, all monopoly, all scarcities, all restrictions for profit, etc. All those were artificially created by someone for their own benefit. None of that would exist, just the same amount of working time and the same amount of money for everybody, regardless of their sex, race, physical characteristics (yes the blind, the weak, the inmovilized, all could work, just not on things they cannot do) and even age (yes all elder and all kids would work too - but obviously in things they can do). and all would work probably just 2 days a week. The rest would be free time, joy time, time with peers, time to rest, time to travel, time to learn, etc etc etc.

a reply to: palg1

You say that because of you being already brainwashed by capitalism, consumerism and pop culture bull# into thinking that beachfront is cool and nice and the rest is not. Why not live some time in the beach front, then some time in the arctic, then some time in the hottest Africa desert, then some time in the amazon, then some time int he tibet. etc etc. Making you truly enlightened to all the riches and all possibilities of life and earth?

Mobility would not be a problem as, again, everyone would have the same amount of land, the same amount of money and the same amount of working/free time.

You only think beachfront is cooler because to you it has sticked the idea that beachfront is cooler, thanks to tv, advertising, capitalist agenda, etc. If they said the opposite and arctic was the # (and it clicked in your mind) then you would ask for land in the arctic. It is really all in your mind.

a reply to: BrokenCircles

You wouldn't need to grow a garden, you would just contribute to society what your land gives you (ie minerals) and others in places where gardens grow would give you products of the gardens.

An iPhone is just as expensive as it is because Apple makes sure to make it as scarce as possible, through price, and make it as desired as possible, through advertising and playing with your 'american dream' dreams and peer pressure (those idiots) so you get willing to pay that extra charge with all that extra profit.

Moreso, you are looking at it still with inequality and capitalist eyes. If everybody had the same amount of land, same amount of money, same amount of working/free time, the cost of everything would reduce drastically, there would be no interest, no loans, no debt, no speculation, no profit!, no inflation no monopoly, no artificial scarcities, and true worldwide mobility would become a reality. After all, borders are just imaginary lines placed by governments and elites to stop people from other places to come and take their riches away (because there are few rich and many poor!)

That is why it is said that countries are simply huge businesses run by those in power and money.

The counties with bigger immigration problems are those where the money is at. We don't see no flocks to some central african country.

a reply to: DonnaLynn

Sure. There are no kids without parents, kids stolen from parents, kids kidnapped, kids with parents dead or murdered, from war, famine, illness. Sure. Everybody lives like in USA where child care is actually a thing. Sure. There is no human trafficking. You really live in a bubble.