If the Illuminati control Masonry I do not care

The reason is quite simple. They have obviously done a terrible job.

If the contemporaneous version of the Illuminati is applied, one which is anethema to freedom and invloved in Machiavellian plots and schemes, then they have, in my opinion, done quite a poor job of causing the average Mason to follow suit. On a state level, in my home jurisdiction of New Jersey, we have recently opened our Masonic Home to non-Fraternal addmitance, meaning that non-Masons may now receive the same care as Masons and without any type of prejudice regarding a lack of Masonic affiliation.

We have hosted several open houses were the public was invited to view or lodges and temples and the majority of lodges reported taking applications for several new petitioners. The state-wide membership roster has risen the past three years and is expected to grow further as younger members, seeking and outlet for chairty and community, continue to join.

On a personal level I have not been dissuaded by any 'high-ranking' members or 'secrect cabal' from participating in the activities that attracted me in the first place. Those of Charity and community service. If the Illuminati were truly in control then would they instead strive for internal conflict and the avoidance of helping ones fellow man?

I know the typcial arguement is that only 'those at the top' know the true intentions, but if 99% are doing works that benefit others then how could this possibly benefit the ones that would strive for an ulterior motive? If the 'public face' of Masonry is helping others in the community, among other actions, then how does the Iluminati rulership subvert this action? A good deed done is a good deed done.

This alleged ruling cabal is either non-existant or completely ineffectual at controlling the ones supposedly under their power.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


"This alleged ruling cabal is either non-existant or completely ineffectual at controlling the ones supposedly under their power"


or maybe just non-human ? They might have earth on auto pilot ? and come back to visit it every once and a while to make sure the "Experiment" Is going as planned? While we all try and claw each other accusing the other of being the "evil" ones ? While the real masters that be laugh it up with all the confusion we created amongest our selfs.

Regarding the Masonic Illuminati nexus, their effect upon you is less to do with their ineptitude and more to do with your insignificance. You're presupposing that you matter enough to be affected in the first place. Naturally, as an individual singing the accolades of his Masonic ranking above his avatar, you'll have difficulty coming to terms with the significance of your insignificance. Ego is more of an enemy to you than the machinations of the upper Masonic echelons.

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Originally posted by seedofchucky
or maybe just non-human ? They might have earth on auto pilot ? and come back to visit it every once and a while to make sure the "Experiment" Is going as planned? While we all try and claw each other accusing the other of being the "evil" ones ? While the real masters that be laugh it up with all the confusion we created amongest our selfs.

I never considered the 'evil-alien' approach. I will file it away for future reference.

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I would try to offer a more indepth reply to your post but yours will most likely be deleted and the relevance of mine would be minimized. If you decide to reply in a more adult and civilized manner I would be happy to answer your questions or address your points.

Originally posted by rexusdiablos
Regarding the Masonic Illuminati nexus, their effect upon you is less to do with their ineptitude and more to do with your insignificance. You're presupposing that you matter enough to be affected in the first place. Naturally, as an individual singing the accolades of his Masonic ranking above his avatar, you'll have difficulty coming to terms with the significance of your insignificance. Ego is more of an enemy to you than the machinations of the upper Masonic echelons.

And what of all other 'insignificant' Masons that are also practicing what I mentioned or experiencing what I posted? You are missing the point of what I was trying to convey. That if I am happy helping others along with my Bretheren then the so-called Illuminati are doing a very poor job of subverting Masonry here in the United States since we are charged to uphold Friendship, Brotherly Love and Chairty with all mankind.

Would not a world-wide anti-populace establishment be adverse to so many people 'making them look bad' by helping others?

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it's obviously only the ones at the very top. Sadly, I have no idea who they are, as no other person on this board or in real life seems to know. So I guess it suffices to say that we, as low level masons, don't have a need to know.

What would the goal of the Illuminati be? A start of the NWO? It's been taking a mighty long time to do something so simple. If the Higher ups are in control of the world already, what is stopping them from commencing with their master plan? It must be the anti-mason movement on ATS! The ones who keep spouting thing like, "your time will come to an end soon!" They must be staving off the inevitable horde of evil.

I just wish that the people who throw the name "Illuminati" out with regard to every topic would take the small amount of time it takes to actually learn what that group was and what it stood for. When I see the inevitable words of the twelve year old basement dweller, telling me all about the evil Illuminati controlled masons, I just cringe like when someone is telling me about how I worship Satan unknowingly.

Originally posted by PublikOUTLAW
i think ur a gay master mason and your full of shyt... if masons are not about any of that than why they move the way they do? i think ur a snitch informant for the nwo trying to blurr the picture so you can sneak your little lies in... the cat is out the bag!!! we wont support the lies!!!!!!

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reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


Augustus,

I took part in the open house that you have mentioned ( what date was that? Oct 13? Anyways) and they showed me around the lodge and the first person who I met was the worshipful master. He was an amazing guy to say the least. They showed me all around the lodge and it was a great experience. So fast forward I will be going through the EA degree on Thursday.

If the masons were the Illuminati ( Illuminati don't exist sorry guys), then in all honesty they would have taken over the world and we would have a one world government ages ago. It is funny though because ALL masons I have talked to thus far know about the ridiculous conspiracy theories against them (LOL!).

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
And what of all other 'insignificant' Masons that are also practicing what I mentioned or experiencing what I posted?

They're equally insignificant in the eyes of the covert composites of Masonry.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
That if I am happy helping others along with my Bretheren then the so-called Illuminati are doing a very poor job of subverting Masonry here in the United States since we are charged to uphold Friendship, Brotherly Love and Chairty with all mankind.

Wrong. You're presupposing that you and your brethern matter, let alone threaten the Illuminati.

It's tantamount to arguing that a fisherman is "doing a very poor job" of fishing because of the water that passes through his fishing net.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Would not a world-wide anti-populace establishment be adverse to so many people [...]

Firstly, you're giving the humanitarian body of Masonry far too much credibility. Again, as far as the Illuminati are concerned, you and you Masonic brethren simply do not matter.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
'making them look bad'

Make them look bad? Surely you understand that the Illuminati infiltrated Masonry for the very opposite effect i.e. to make the look good so that they could convene without suspicion and reproach. You do realize that you're inadvertently supporting this evil occult collective by the very merit of your humanitarian pursuits, right?

Think about it. Think about it long and hard. In this instance, not caring is a dangerous folly. You're confusing inadvertent servitude with anathema.

After the 32nd degree. You will be given a choice between the left and right hand paths. One will have you masquerading around "selling cookies" and ushering in new members in to your lodge.. The other is the path of enlightenment-- The Darkside.

Originally posted by rexusdiablos
Wrong. You're presupposing that you and your brethern matter, let alone threaten the Illuminati.

It's tantamount to arguing that a fisherman is "doing a very poor job" of fishing because of the water that passes through his fishing net.

If there are so few Masons who are significant, then surely another organization would be a much better recruiting ground.

And what are they recruiting for? Certainly not satan-worship, because then they would have done much better with 'church of satan' as their recruiting ground. Certainly not political motives, because then they would have recruited in political circles.

It would appear, that by picking a "crop" of potential illuminati from a group of moral, upright and charitable men, their ultimate goal must be...?

Otherwise, why choose Masons as a recruiting ground?

Originally posted by WraithXV
After the 32nd degree. You will be given a choice between the left and right hand paths. One will have you masquerading around "selling cookies" and ushering in new members in to your lodge.. The other is the path of enlightenment-- The Darkside.

You are given this choice when you apply to join Freemasonry. If you choose the dark side, you will not be accepted.

Originally posted by WraithXV
After the 32nd degree. You will be given a choice between the left and right hand paths. One will have you masquerading around "selling cookies" and ushering in new members in to your lodge.. The other is the path of enlightenment-- The Darkside.

How do you account for the fact that pagans, neo-pagans, pantheists, panantheists, wiccans etc., along with all members from all those philosophies/religions that Christians might consider "dark" are not even admitted into the Scottish rite (except in certain jurisdictions in the States) because they are not Christian?

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I am curious, at what point was this in your masonic career? Was it just before, or just after you received your 33rd? And how long were you a KCCH?
thanks!

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Originally posted by rexusdiablos
They're equally insignificant in the eyes of the covert composites of Masonry.

But their actions are not insignificant. The cumlative works of millions of United States Masons is very significant when taken as a whole. That is on of the main points of membership, joining with other like-minded individuals in striving to improve ones community, and in the larger sense, the country.

Wrong. You're presupposing that you and your brethern matter, let alone threaten the Illuminati.

No one mentioned a threat to the Illuminati, the thread is about why the Illuminati, if real, is apparently ineffective in regards controlling Masonry. See my above comments on why the supposed 'lower-levels' do in fact matter.

Firstly, you're giving the humanitarian body of Masonry far too much credibility. Again, as far as the Illuminati are concerned, you and you Masonic brethren simply do not matter.

Then why control us if we do not matter. Either we are a useful tool worthy of control or their lack of control renders them impotent. Either way they have no effect on me if they do in fact exist.

Make them look bad? Surely you understand that the Illuminati infiltrated Masonry for the very opposite effect i.e. to make the look good so that they could convene without suspicion and reproach. You do realize that you're inadvertently supporting this evil occult collective by the very merit of your humanitarian pursuits, right?

But using your arguement if we do not matter then how are we providing good cover? If a small, covert group dedicated to the destruction of mankind has as its cover, a group dedicated to charity and relief, then I think they are failing in their own endeavor as they larger group far out numbers the smaller group and the works of the smaller are easily traceable while the the works of the latter are purely speculative.

Think about it. Think about it long and hard. In this instance, not caring is a dangerous folly. You're confusing inadvertent servitude with anathema.

If I, or my Bretheren, do good works then how can my works be misconstrued for anyting but? People look and say, "He helped me", not "He helped me but I think he is under the control of the Illuminati".

Originally posted by WraithXV
After the 32nd degree. You will be given a choice between the left and right hand paths. One will have you masquerading around "selling cookies" and ushering in new members in to your lodge.. The other is the path of enlightenment-- The Darkside.

If what you say is true, do you know the percentage of fellow dude joining the right side and the percentage choosing the other side ? btw it seems you (would) choose the second form you avatar

Also is there a 3rd path ?

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I find it disheartening that you don't care if the Illuminati controls Masonry i mean you say a good deed is a good deed, well if a serial killer gos out and donates to charity should all be forgivin, if the Illuminati control Masonry you should get out of there as fast as you can, if being a member of a group is that important to you join one that isn't controled by the Illuminati there's plenty of other groups out there such as the golden dawn and the church of satan(i'm kidding about those two groups), but seriously just go join a respected organization with no ties or rumored ties to nefarius groups.....