Zeitgeist: Moving Forward - Officially Released Online

Originally posted by free_spirit_earth

Originally posted by againuntodust
After the misinformation and lies presented in the first of this series, I find it hard to even get motivation to watch this one. Anyone fact check during this to see if they're still pulling the same thing?

You seem to only be reading the cover of the book and making up your mind and not the book entirely, which is dangerous if you are to survive through the coming changes/shift.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I don't listen to liars, and Zeitgeist proved to be full of lies. Why would I want to watch part 2, if part one was full of lies? And I don't believe in a coming change or shift, so me not watching Zeitgeist part 2 shouldn't prove to be very dangerous at all. Matter of fact, it's probably safer not to watch it, because I will be exposed to less deceit.

Originally posted by dickyavalon

Originally posted by free_spirit_earth

Originally posted by dickyavalon
Peter Joseph did a good job of copying acharya s's work (which was itself copied and incorrect) when going on his anti religion rant. That was unoriginal, and incorrect, and essentially garbage..

He seems to have chosen to copy the venus project here, which doesn't do much for me either.

This new atlantis new world order lucifer rising 1 world state can pound sand.

He should stick to playing the xylophones because an idealized version of the new world order is a nightmare waiting to happen.

How do you know it is a nightmare waiting to happen? please elaborate i'm keen to learn your view? are you religious?? if so is that what is making you react against the movies?? just aksing thats all.

I'm not overly religious, and my critical stance of the entire movement is not borne from my religious beliefs in any event.

To look at how this movmement has evolved.

-Initially a hit piece on Jesus Christ, with is riddled with errors and largely based on other people's work, who based their work on other people's work which is not based on the truth. See the collection of cash prizes available to those who can show evidence to back up many of his claims in that portion of his presentation (which have gone unclaimed for years) to highlight the simple error. I understand Acharya S who sort of backs away from it, yet writes a companion piece to it oddly seems to claim that perhaps the reason she is factually full of shizzle (as is Peter Joseph in this regard) is because the history books have been changed by nefarious people... i.e. every primary religious book of the people they claim jesus was copied off of I guess is not accurate, and the truth they claim to deliver is the real truth??? Odd..

-He had an expose on 9/11 which although perhaps obnoxious to a degree certainly raises many good points.. Oddly he has backed away from this which really begs a question... why?

-his talk of the crooked banking system which more or less is spot on and I don't disagree with - the idea that much of the system is rigged.

-Now, we've evolved into a 1 world state, as I have stated, as well as many others in this thread and elsewhere reeks of a theosophical new atlantis utopia (again see the heavy use of acharya S, see the use of theosophical freemasons and card carrying theosophists / sympathizers AS his own SOURCE MATERIAL).

Through the writings of Blavatsky, and Bailey, to the lucifer publishing company, now Lucis trust intertwined with the UN (who defacto is the poster child of the new world order), it is not, in my opinion a reach to say he is influenced by the system he opposes. I.E. we have a corrupt UN, influenced by the new age lucis trust who are harbingers of disaster across the planet and have their hooks in most of the crooks worldwide.. and we have pter joseph presenting a utopian society which quotes chapter and verse from the theosophist playbook.

I don't like the idea of a 1 world state. I don't like hyper socialism. I don't like the idea that prominent new agers present stating that those not going along with the new enlightenment will be culled - I don't like religious intolerance nor killing of infidels.

Let me make it clear for all those who don't fully understand the movement and it's direction let alone origins. The first movie Zeitgiest 1 was an expression of how the creator "Peter Joesph" saw the world at that time around 9/11 and has nothing to do with the Zeitgeist Movement at ALL!. ZEITGEIST 1 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT!! get it!!!!!!! no!!!!! yes!!!!!!!!!.

The movement derives from the 2nd movie Zeitgeist Addendum and clearly shows this towards the end of the movie. Peter Joseph mentions this numerous times in his radio shows, interviews but people project their own notions into it and only want to hear what they want to hear.

So i'm sorry you can rant off all you want about the religious aspect and put down the movement but please do your research first before making assumptions or forum posts that are not tangible.

All cults have an attribute that is intangible which is theistic orientated, meaning it’s unproven, A RBE is put together in a systems approach of resource management as a whole to make life better for people using proven methodologies and processes (FACT), all the attributes of the movement are based on simple proven methodologies not some GOD or DEITY. People always have a kneejerk debasing reaction when a new group comes out and those same people fail to research that group so reference them to a cult as they have no full understanding of the group or their intentions which is expected because the monetary system creates that conditioning aspect.

Originally posted by againuntodust

Originally posted by free_spirit_earth

Originally posted by againuntodust
After the misinformation and lies presented in the first of this series, I find it hard to even get motivation to watch this one. Anyone fact check during this to see if they're still pulling the same thing?

You seem to only be reading the cover of the book and making up your mind and not the book entirely, which is dangerous if you are to survive through the coming changes/shift.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I don't listen to liars, and Zeitgeist proved to be full of lies. Why would I want to watch part 2, if part one was full of lies? And I don't believe in a coming change or shift, so me not watching Zeitgeist part 2 shouldn't prove to be very dangerous at all. Matter of fact, it's probably safer not to watch it, because I will be exposed to less deceit.

I'm sorry but there is 3 Zeitgeist movies not 2, also the movement is derived from the 2nd Movie called Zeitgeist Addendum and has nothing to do with the first movie because the first movie was a personal expression of how the creator saw the world at the moment in time around 9/11.

This is an update from Peter Joseph, he explains each of the sections of the ZMF movie, how the movie & movement are progressing - PJ Blog Talk Radio

I just got done watching it... It is not at all what I expected. I wouldn't say it is "Zeitgeist Part 2 or 3".... The only thing similar to the past movies are the name...

I didn't see anything that could be considered false. It is pretty much just a movie about obvious truths that commonly go ignored.

It was pretty good.

Originally posted by againuntodust
Matter of fact, it's probably safer not to watch it, because I will be exposed to less deceit.

Safer? Let me get this straight... you don't want to watch the movie because it might say something that isn't true, and you might believe it? So you have no control over your thoughts?

Why are you on ATS then? Don't you realize ATS is full of deceit as well? It would be safer for you to just leave ATS in that case.

Alex Jones vid, wow.

I thought the discussion was going well for the first 1/3 but Alex really came off bad in his manner as the vid goes on. The guy was trying to keep it a discussion but good lord did Alex continue ranting and cutting off his guest...

At one point I did agree with Alex regarding genetics and behavior... but the point that Peter is struggling to make is that yes, genetics plays a part in humans. We are competitive, but have risen above animals and thus no longer limited strictly to behavior. We can create and adapt to our environment which means we can limit those aggressive tendencies by providing for things that would trigger them. If you eliminate the need to struggle for resources, removing scarcity, then I think human behavior would definitely move towards the positive.

Frankly, Peter explains it pretty well.

I am sorry, but is me or does this movie kinda bring to light a new world order agenda? I mean a godless science society for the common global good?

Aren't these the things that screech bad guys, conspiracies and depopulation? This film came across so 1984 to me I had to say what gives?

Are we at war with Oceania or aren't we?

Each movie segs into more elitist global perception than the previous movie. It's like swaying propaganda singing, "Stand up, isn't this what you want too? A new normal that we have the wherewithal to give humanity?"

Teach me, I want to learn. Jump froggies the water is getting warm.

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Also recommened is peter being interviewed on Mark Dice's show. Its pretty funny.

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Isn't the ultimate goal in this world to end violence, end poverty, end world hunger, end disease, and allow everyone to get what the need to live and be happy? I sure hope everyone wants that same goal.... if you don't want that goal then you just might be a murderous, greedy, selfish, bigot.

The movie highlights the main causes of violence, poverty, hunger, disease, greed, selfishness, etc., and shows that pretty much the source of all those things is how we are raised as children into a flawed paradigm, and the world suffers from a "value system disease".

One of the only ways to accomplish that ultimate goal is to get the entire world to work together, and redesign that flawed paradigm. To design everything with the same goal in mind... and to be more efficient so you can accomplish that goal without running out of resources. To redesign entire cities, and transpiration systems, and food production systems, and all life support systems, so everyone can live in equality. If everyone lived in equality, there would be nearly zero violence, zero poverty, zero hunger, nearly zero disease, etc... You wouldn't need a "police state", or a military, or millions of prisons...

In that movie, I didn't see anything about a "new world order". More like a "world remodeling" and or "new world intelligence". It seems humanity today is still living with old outdated thought processes. Supposedly human intelligence is climbing and we have all this new neat technology, but we still live in a world full of unintelligent life support systems.... In a world where profit is more valuable than prosperity.

People need to stop being afraid of a world wide cooperation. Someone demonized it uselessly. World cooperation is the ultimate goal for everyone even if they realize it or not.

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What i would like to know is your definition of "New world order".
And Why you think The Zeitgeist Movement is New World Order?

I'm not trying to be a smartass but i think your view may be a non-conscious action to blank information out, because it may be discomforting to your self-preservation of the way you look at the world.
I don't think you're intending to be belligerent about this information, but i am interested to see past the knee-jerk reaction and get an informed view of Zeitgeist Moving Forward in context of the film, without masking it in a self-preservation context.

Lastly... what's this about a war against Oceania?? I never heard of this before

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Sorry, after the first one I didn't care to watch a 2nd or 3rd, so I don't know how many there are. Regardless if the first movie is related to the "movement" or not, it was created by the same person (I assume) and I don't have the time to entertain more misinformation from this man. I'm glad you got something out of it.

Personally... all this video taught me was that this world needs to be reset...
Too many points of views, too many differences that blind people from seeing the same...
Too many religions, too many different currencies, too many ideas that make other ideas look wrong...
Too many people that believe they are right, while fighting too many people that believe they are right...

Ironic? Yes...
Possible to change? Depends on the amount of hope left.
How much hope is left? Probably not much...


Like I said... this world needs a reset and I hate to say it but everyone on it, has to go... we have to reset to achieve what was explained in this video...

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy

Safer? Let me get this straight... you don't want to watch the movie because it might say something that isn't true, and you might believe it?

So you have no control over your thoughts?

Why are you on ATS then? Don't you realize ATS is full of deceit as well?

It would be safer for you to just leave ATS in that case.

edit on 27-1-2011 by gift0fpr0phecy because: (no reason given)

I'll help you get it straight. A man made a movie full of lies, called Zeitgeist. He then made a part two, and now a part three. Because part one was full of misinformation, I choose not to watch the sequels. Why be entertained by a liar? Seems like a slippery slope. Believe the truth shell, get fooled by the lie within.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
reply to post by RighteousDude

 

In that movie, I didn't see anything about a "new world order". More like a "world remodeling" and or "new world intelligence".
People need to stop being afraid of a world wide cooperation. Someone demonized it uselessly. World cooperation is the ultimate goal for everyone even if they realize it or not.

edit on 27-1-2011 by gift0fpr0phecy because: (no reason given)

Word, i believe alot of people are actually AFRAID to unite. The only reason NOT to unite is to keep things the way it is. Divided and...conquered.
In saying that, because we are the same organism (upon understanding of that) we realise that we were never even seperate to begin with. Only our interpretation of the world and our conditioning causes us to believe the illusion of seperation.
We can't live alone anymore, we have to get together sooner or later. One way or another.
Let's work for a positive inclusive peaceful way instead of the alternative...

Originally posted by againuntodust

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy

Safer? Let me get this straight... you don't want to watch the movie because it might say something that isn't true, and you might believe it?

So you have no control over your thoughts?

Why are you on ATS then? Don't you realize ATS is full of deceit as well?

It would be safer for you to just leave ATS in that case.

edit on 27-1-2011 by gift0fpr0phecy because: (no reason given)

I'll help you get it straight. A man made a movie full of lies, called Zeitgeist. He then made a part two, and now a part three. Because part one was full of misinformation, I choose not to watch the sequels. Why be entertained by a liar? Seems like a slippery slope. Believe the truth shell, get fooled by the lie within.

You seem secure enough in your own opinions to be able to view information objectively and not believe the "lies" inside it. I bet if you watched it you would have even MORE ammunition to fire at these guys, even more
debunking ability to tell people about how Zeitgeist is a bunch of lies.
Why would you not want to do that?
Is it a fear you might not be able to refute everything? Or that you might actually agree with some of the things being said...?
I just know that if i personally wanted to "debunk" something i would be studying it so i could really kick ass.

I see a lot of people talking about lies in the first movie.....what were the lies?

Originally posted by Shikamaru
Personally... all this video taught me was that this world needs to be reset...
Too many points of views, too many differences that blind people from seeing the same...
Too many religions, too many different currencies, too many ideas that make other ideas look wrong...
Too many people that believe they are right, while fighting too many people that believe they are right...

Ironic? Yes...
Possible to change? Depends on the amount of hope left.
How much hope is left? Probably not much...


Like I said... this world needs a reset and I hate to say it but everyone on it, has to go... we have to reset to achieve what was explained in this video...

There is hope. It is inside you, me, everyone. We have been conditioned into fear. There is an alternative to a "Reset". As proposed by the Venus Project as total redesign of our culture.
Whereby everybody doesn't have to "go"... our cultural and societal and values need to change.
No good wiping out the whole race of humans bro that's not the answer.

Originally posted by free_spirit_earth
Let me make it clear for all those who don't fully understand the movement and it's direction let alone origins. The first movie Zeitgiest 1 was an expression of how the creator "Peter Joesph" saw the world at that time around 9/11 and has nothing to do with the Zeitgeist Movement at ALL!. ZEITGEIST 1 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT!! get it!!!!!!! no!!!!! yes!!!!!!!!!.

The movement derives from the 2nd movie Zeitgeist Addendum and clearly shows this towards the end of the movie. Peter Joseph mentions this numerous times in his radio shows, interviews but people project their own notions into it and only want to hear what they want to hear.

So i'm sorry you can rant off all you want about the religious aspect and put down the movement but please do your research first before making assumptions or forum posts that are not tangible.

All cults have an attribute that is intangible which is theistic orientated, meaning it’s unproven, A RBE is put together in a systems approach of resource management as a whole to make life better for people using proven methodologies and processes (FACT), all the attributes of the movement are based on simple proven methodologies not some GOD or DEITY. People always have a kneejerk debasing reaction when a new group comes out and those same people fail to research that group so reference them to a cult as they have no full understanding of the group or their intentions which is expected because the monetary system creates that conditioning aspect.

edit on 27/1/11 by free_spirit_earth because: (no reason given)

In terms of religion:

1) I don't consider pointing out that his anti religion rant was riddled with lies, and a rant itself, ranting. That is a tangible fact.

2) I don't consider talking about the theosophical aspect of his influence, or his plans a rant. That is a tangible fact.

You start by stating the source of my critique is religion, which it isn't, now accuse me of ranting about religion? Sure thing.

You, and this movement frankly, have an air of moral superiority - not unlike the esoteric theosophical movment as well:

"look if you're too dumb to realize this then you're going to destroy yourself and I can't wait to say I told you so."

The fact that Zeitgeist 1 doesn't = zeitgeist 2 doesn't change the fact that a messenger who has been know to lie, is not trustworthy.

If it becomes a matter of some beatnik telling me "fine, you're too dumb to get it" then so be it..

I need to go mine some moonrock and hug some rainbows.

p.s. the movie I see talks about the declining oil reserves. I guess the bakken formation and alberta oilsands don't count.

Either way, all the nwo believers can get bent. You'll get your system soon enough I fear and I'll be paying the price.

Originally posted by againuntodust
I'll help you get it straight. A man made a movie full of lies, called Zeitgeist. He then made a part two, and now a part three. Because part one was full of misinformation, I choose not to watch the sequels. Why be entertained by a liar? Seems like a slippery slope. Believe the truth shell, get fooled by the lie within.

That is not straight, that is crooked.

So in translation, you are going to close your eyes, ears, and mind, and remain ignorant, because someone made mistakes in the past. That will surely get you far in life...

For your information, ATS has lies on it all the time. ATS is full of misinformation. So why do you choose to come back to ATS? Because you might learn something right?

Get off your high horse and stop acting like you have never said something unknowingly inaccurate before. If everyone acted like you, nobody would listen to anybody.

340,000 views in under 24 hours...
Is that a world first in the history of human recording?
A not-for-profit feature length documentary getting 340,000 views in a day....