Zeitgeist: Moving Forward - Officially Released Online

Originally posted by Bordon81
Can Zeitgeist coexist within the current political economic paradigm? It is very rare for a group that deviates from the existing governments paradigm to thrive on its own. Groups that philosophically secede from the union usually end up the target of a federal investigation. Zeitgeist appears to get around the IRS issues by using non traceable currency. As long as the movement doesn't attract too many militia types it probably won't get Waco'd. IRS and RTBA are the two major trouble spots that have historically brought down these types of movements.

Can you please elaborate and show me what this non traceable currency looks like please? and how you know they are getting around irs?

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In this coming change/shift do you see electronics working?

Originally posted by dickyavalon
Peter Joseph did a good job of copying acharya s's work (which was itself copied and incorrect) when going on his anti religion rant. That was unoriginal, and incorrect, and essentially garbage..

He seems to have chosen to copy the venus project here, which doesn't do much for me either.

This new atlantis new world order lucifer rising 1 world state can pound sand.

He should stick to playing the xylophones because an idealized version of the new world order is a nightmare waiting to happen.

How do you know it is a nightmare waiting to happen? please elaborate i'm keen to learn your view? are you religious?? if so is that what is making you react against the movies?? just aksing thats all.

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I feel your pain. The "tl;dr" brigade will need a Facebook/Twitter edition of Zeitgeist. 30 seconds long and no fancy big words. Maybe if it had a commercial break every 5 minutes, they could digest it. Such people will be the very ones to dismiss or disparage Zeitgeist without ever having taken the time or effort to view it. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Originally posted by mayabong
reply to post by free_spirit_earth

 

In this coming change/shift do you see electronics working?

Technology is not only confined to electronics, it's also the shirt you are wearing, the pencil you write with heck even the seat you are sitting on while reading this on the computer in front of you. Peoples understandings of what technolgy is and the available technology we currently have they can help all people has been totally distorted through the false incentives and values the monetary system has generated and propogated.

Electronics working in coming shift?, maybe and maybe not, we can only prepare and adjust to the changes as quick as we can which is the best way to survive. It's like what jar11 said "You can't jump from one rooftop to the next when the first building has already completely collapsed. You have to jump to the next building while the first one is starting to crumble.", or sooner if you are prepared and aware of the buildings foundational collapse.

It's not about "survival of the strongest", it's about surival of those who can adjust to the changes. We live in a universe that is emergent meaning always changing, unfortunately we are held captive in a establishment (unwilling to change) system because of the very few who control the very many who are hypnotically robotic and unaware who or what they really are.

The only constant is change - Isaac Asimov

LOL....


Did anyone see Alex Jones interview Peter Joseph?

It's been a while and to be honest, I can't stand Alex Jones, but the way he treated Peter Joseph and just wouldn't let him talk.... :shk:

Like I said, not a fan of AJ and maybe he just always does this (in fact any time I've seen him, I know he does) but man... he is just a prick.

He has no clue about how to interview someone...


Whether I agree with Peter Jones or not is is irrelevant, I'd still have a decent conversation with the guy.


Grrrrr Alex Jones :shk:



Just found the interview for anyone who's interested.

Google Video Link

Also someone made a blog about it.
www.dailypaul.com...


I guess I missed all this...

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I realize that everything can be considered technology, you can't deny that the use of computers and electronics are relied upon heavily in this dream in Zeitgeist. Of course people need to change first for any of this to happen. Its easy to blame everything on society, and the evil people controlling the corporations. Its humans that made society the way it is, not the other way around. I do believe this will all change though in the near future, without much effort.

I have been thinking about this and the only solution I can offer is this.

A group of financiers comes together and buys a huge plot of land. Lets just call it Novusland, and we'll say its 640,000 acres or 1,000 sq miles, roughly the size of Rhode Island. On this land we build a city, and call it Freetown. We play the game of paying taxes, both state and federal. A local parliament could be established to make decisions. The members on parliament would have term limits. We could use this leadership to keep out all mainstream industry (McDonalds, Wal-Mart, etc). Should there be a crime committed, the suspect would be judged by a group of randomly selected citizens. We remain free of any federal aid that would bind us. We make everything ourselves, buy what we cannot make and sell any surplus to outsiders. Accepted currencies could include gold, silver, US dollars or people could simply barter goods and services. We could live in cob homes, grow our own food and purify our own water. Culture and art would flourish, we would be our own entertainers. We could use natural cures for ailments. We could educate our children in the manner which we see fit, by nurturing and interactive learning sessions. Worship centers for all faiths could be included for those who wish to attend.

This would set a precedent. Nothing illegal is being done, everyone is living in peace under the gentle leadership of an elected parliament. And hopefully, with time, others would start their own Freetowns.

If we as a species are to survive, thrive and evolve off this planet to explore the far reaches of the universe then we need to come together as one species beyond these illusionary boundaries and walls (money) that hold us back in our egg shells and deprive us of expressing our full uniqueness. We HAVE to move to a Holographic social structure of transparency in order for us move off planet and explore there seems to be no other way. So what we are seeing is a shift from a Pyramid social structure (monetary system) to Holographic social structure (resource based economy). If we move out into the universe to explore as a segragated species what do you think other civilisations (if they exist) will think about humans from earth?

The movie is not the answer but merely a wake up SLAP to the masses from their hypnotic robotic compliant lives to alert them to the ROOT CAUSE of our societal problems and showing them a POSSIBLE solution (The Venus Project) hence why it will take a value change within people and then those people to extend that change outwardly to others creating hopefully critical mass awareness which ultimately synergistically moves humanity out of these dark ages into what some scientists/researchers (Michio Kaku) call a TYPE 1 civilization.

While I enjoyed the first bit of the documentary I think it got a little too long and tedious.

As for my thoughts about the idea, I think we will not learn until we hit the rock bottom. We can all talk change but if we change our lives than many people will come up and take our place. Than we will become the bottom feeders thus hindering our chance of survival. Plus, who has the resources to be able to take on the oil company and than the whole oil industry and than every industry. We will simply get quashed.

The idea is good but there won't be any change until we have no other way to go but up.

Originally posted by Equinox99
While I enjoyed the first bit of the documentary I think it got a little too long and tedious.

As for my thoughts about the idea, I think we will not learn until we hit the rock bottom. We can all talk change but if we change our lives than many people will come up and take our place. Than we will become the bottom feeders thus hindering our chance of survival. Plus, who has the resources to be able to take on the oil company and than the whole oil industry and than every industry. We will simply get quashed.

The idea is good but there won't be any change until we have no other way to go but up.

There is alot to take in from one movie that is jam packed of information, i recommend to watch it again with a pen and paper to take notes.

Change will come from what you do now about it, do you stay home and play games? or go out and educate others about it and advocate and become the change you want to see in the world?.

We live currently in a failing PYRAMID social structure, and people think the most powerful part is the capstone or top where 1% of the population owns 40% of the worlds resources. The most powerful part is the base of the pyramid where the unaware masses are, if you take away the base from any structure it falls, we as a human collective are holding up this pyramid structure without realising it through our mindless robotic actions, forced consent & pledging, coersion and indoctrinated beliefs. Hence why we must educate as many people as possible to wake them up from the matrix they are robotically upholding without question - eduate and clear the indoctrinated $#IT out of peoples minds.

If we focus on the masses and raise peoples awareness to a critical mass effect where the masses do not participate anymore the whole structure will fall, education is the key!.

Zeitgeist is crap and deceiving ...
Always was ...
Always will be unless it quits being so bias ...

Its well thought out with lots of sociological references.

Its quite long, but worth it.

My only negatives were the cheesy drawn out ending, which imo didn't work...Also the 'overpopulation crisis' views - there is an under-population crisis theory u know!!

Originally posted by free_spirit_earth
The movie is not the answer but merely a wake up SLAP to the masses from their hypnotic robotic compliant lives to alert them to the ROOT CAUSE of our societal problems and showing them a POSSIBLE solution

lol are you serious? At 2hr 41min I don't think the masses are going to be watching this?

Originally posted by slinkey10

The movie is not the answer but merely a wake up SLAP to the masses from their hypnotic robotic compliant lives to alert them to the ROOT CAUSE of our societal problems and showing them a POSSIBLE solution

lol are you serious? At 2hr 41min I don't think the masses are going to be watching this?

Why do you think that? they'd rather spend more time in the pub drinking? or on facebook backstabbing one another? as i said this movie is not the answer, it is one of many tools to help wake up the masses, there is more information, docos that are shorter which can grab their attention span if that's the problem. Everyone has different levels of understandings it's a matter of finding out where people are at and go from there with them in terms of tools to wake them up. These movies/docos are just information it's what you do with it that matters.

Originally posted by free_spirit_earth


Why do you think that? they'd rather spend more time in the pub drinking? or on facebook backstabbing one another?

You answered your own question!!

Of course they 'the masses' would rather spend their time with the distractions you listed, and all the others.

I get what you are saying, and agree this can be used as a tooI on a micro level - not global. I just don't think the masses are that receptive to this kind of media...

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Who is kidding who? The Zeitgeist Movement is a seductive form of totalitarianism propaganda. It is a hugs-all-around sales pitch for a nightmarish, Orwellian dystopia. It is the exoteric belief system we are expected to follow as we rationalize our march into death camps because we are no longer "sustainable". Zeitgeist Fraud:The New Harmony of Zeitgeist

Originally posted by sparky11
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Who is kidding who? The Zeitgeist Movement is a seductive form of totalitarianism propaganda. It is a hugs-all-around sales pitch for a nightmarish, Orwellian dystopia. It is the exoteric belief system we are expected to follow as we rationalize our march into death camps because we are no longer "sustainable". Zeitgeist Fraud:The New Harmony of Zeitgeist

You are projecting and confusing your self with the notion that TZM & VP are nwo which is totally nonsense, the NWO is some global elite agenda to create a one world government, one world army, one currency they want to do it in secrecy with a hierarchical structure in place. The zeitgeist movement advocates a resource based economy (tvp) which is a holographic social structure created in transparency for all the world's people without any hierarchical structure.

I used to think like you until i met jacque fresco and roxanne meadows and spent alot of time with them and fully researched the Venus Project/Resouce Based Economy concepts. I understood where jacque was coming from and his lifes work to help humanity, he is now 94 and has little time left but to think he is a global elitist and NWO or whatever is just absurd because you have not fully inverstigated it yourself and are just riding on what you want to hear without research.

Originally posted by free_spirit_earth

Originally posted by dickyavalon
Peter Joseph did a good job of copying acharya s's work (which was itself copied and incorrect) when going on his anti religion rant. That was unoriginal, and incorrect, and essentially garbage..

He seems to have chosen to copy the venus project here, which doesn't do much for me either.

This new atlantis new world order lucifer rising 1 world state can pound sand.

He should stick to playing the xylophones because an idealized version of the new world order is a nightmare waiting to happen.

How do you know it is a nightmare waiting to happen? please elaborate i'm keen to learn your view? are you religious?? if so is that what is making you react against the movies?? just aksing thats all.

I'm not overly religious, and my critical stance of the entire movement is not borne from my religious beliefs in any event.

To look at how this movmement has evolved.

-Initially a hit piece on Jesus Christ, with is riddled with errors and largely based on other people's work, who based their work on other people's work which is not based on the truth. See the collection of cash prizes available to those who can show evidence to back up many of his claims in that portion of his presentation (which have gone unclaimed for years) to highlight the simple error. I understand Acharya S who sort of backs away from it, yet writes a companion piece to it oddly seems to claim that perhaps the reason she is factually full of shizzle (as is Peter Joseph in this regard) is because the history books have been changed by nefarious people... i.e. every primary religious book of the people they claim jesus was copied off of I guess is not accurate, and the truth they claim to deliver is the real truth??? Odd..

-He had an expose on 9/11 which although perhaps obnoxious to a degree certainly raises many good points.. Oddly he has backed away from this which really begs a question... why?

-his talk of the crooked banking system which more or less is spot on and I don't disagree with - the idea that much of the system is rigged.

-Now, we've evolved into a 1 world state, as I have stated, as well as many others in this thread and elsewhere reeks of a theosophical new atlantis utopia (again see the heavy use of acharya S, see the use of theosophical freemasons and card carrying theosophists / sympathizers AS his own SOURCE MATERIAL).

Through the writings of Blavatsky, and Bailey, to the lucifer publishing company, now Lucis trust intertwined with the UN (who defacto is the poster child of the new world order), it is not, in my opinion a reach to say he is influenced by the system he opposes. I.E. we have a corrupt UN, influenced by the new age lucis trust who are harbingers of disaster across the planet and have their hooks in most of the crooks worldwide.. and we have pter joseph presenting a utopian society which quotes chapter and verse from the theosophist playbook.

I don't like the idea of a 1 world state. I don't like hyper socialism. I don't like the idea that prominent new agers present stating that those not going along with the new enlightenment will be culled - I don't like religious intolerance nor killing of infidels.

Originally posted by SamTGonzalez

Originally posted by againuntodust
After the misinformation and lies presented in the first of this series, I find it hard to even get motivation to watch this one. Anyone fact check during this to see if they're still pulling the same thing?

What misinformation? What lies? What exactly discourages you to watch this film? Can you show some proof to back up your opinion? Can you provide some examples of the things you mentioned?

I doubt you have an answer for any of those questions.
Prove me wrong.

I have an answer for all of those questions. Applying your skepticism to documentaries that you don't fact-check before you apply it to human beings who do would be wise.

Misinformation and lies in Zeitgeist are too many to put into this thread, so I will just use a few examples. There are many, MANY, MANYYYY more. Matter of fact, here's a whole website dedicated to exposing the lies told in the movie

Attis

Attis, of Phyrigia, born of the virgin Nana on December 25th, crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days, was resurrected.

This explanation is not only over simplified, but inaccurate. Attis was not necessarily born of a virgin (because it does not say whether or not his mother is a virgin), in fact Attis was born of Nana after she ate the fruit of an almond tree which had been grown from the blood of either Agdistis or Cybele. Attis was worshipped as the god of vegetation, responsible for death and rebirth of plant life. It was thought that each winter he died and in the spring he was reborn. Each spring his resurrection would be celebrated. It goes without saying that spring does not take place in December, nor is the change of seasons a crucifixion, there is no mention of any tombs anywhere, and seeing how he is dead all winter, it goes without saying that winter is longer than 3 days.

Krishna

Krishna, of India, born of the virgin Devaki with a star in the east signaling his coming, performed miracles with his disciples, and upon his death was resurrected.

Traditional belief based on scriptural details and astrological calculations gives Krishna's birth date (Janmashtami) as 19th or 21st July 3228 BC. Krishna was of the royal family of Mathura, and was the eighth son born to the princess Devaki, and her husband Vasudeva. [18][19][20]. According to references in the Bhagavata Purana and Bhagavad Gita it has been interpreted that Krishna died around 3100 BC [21]. There is no mention of a star in the east signaling his birth in the literature, nor was not resurrected upon his death. There is, however some evidence in various tales that he did perform miracles, but that's it.

Dionysus

Dionysus of Greece, born of a virgin on December 25th, was a traveling teacher who performed miracles such as turning water into wine, he was referred to as the "King of Kings," "God's Only Begotten Son," "The Alpha and Omega," and many others, and upon his death, he was resurrected.

He was not born to a virgin, his mother was a mortal Semele (daughter of Cadmus) and his father was Zeus. We know that Zeus had other male children so Dionysus is also not his "only begotten son" [22]. Similar to the story of Attis, Dionysus died each winter and was resurrected in the spring. Again, this is hardly December, much less the 25th of said month [23]. He did, however perform miracles, mostly things involving wine, because he was the god of wine -- naturally he could turn water into wine. The titles listed above, such as "King of Kings" and "The Alpha and Omega" are not sourced in the movie, nor can I find any evidence that these titles ever applied to Dionysus, but for good measure, I did find "The Alpha and Omega" referring to god of Christianity [24].

Mithra

Mithra, of Persia, born of a virgin on December 25th, he had 12 disciples and performed miracles, and upon his death was buried for 3 days and thus resurrected, he was also referred to as "The Truth," "The Light," and many others. Interestingly, the sacred day of worship of Mithra was Sunday.

The myths and legends of Mithra are numerous in amount and span several different cultures. I ran into a brick wall of sorts trying to track down any of this information. I cannot find any evidence of his "birthday" being December 25th, the only dates that correspond to him are his festival on October 8th and another on September 12-16th, and a cattle pairing festival October 12-16 [25 - 59]. There is absolutely no evidence anywhere that he had 12 disciples or 12 of anything for that matter -- no Mithraist scholars seem to know about it [26]. He was not born to a virgin, but rather out of solid rock. I guess you could say a rock is a virgin, but that seems like a long shot. Also, for the sake of further information, he was born fully grown [25 - 173]. There is no evidence of a resurrection or that Mithra has ever died [26]. Roman Mithraic evidence dates to at least a century after the time of the New Testament. As stated earlier, the history of this god is highly complex and covers a lot of area [26]. It is true that Sunday was a sacred day for Mithra, but only to Romans [26].

These examples alone make me not want to watch any Zeitgeist film. Even if only one example existed, that's enough for me. Luckily I FACT CHECK everything I read or hear about before believing it, and that's the better part of discernment. The entire premise of the movie is based on lies... why would I want to watch part 2...?