Zeitgeist: Moving Forward - Officially Released Online

reply to post by theclutch


If you have seen addendum how can the venus project be new to you?

just shows how much the power the people actually have. kind of uplifting from thinking the occult elite controll us so what we dont even need them there unnessisary

Just watched it and spread the word, thanks.

reply to post by ballsdeep


Thanks for your reply. I think you bring up some very interesting points.

Don't get me wrong I'm a technological geek, and I love to make music with computers. I'm actually addicted to it at the moment like most of us.

As far as technology dividing people, just look at most places in public. You have a whole coffee shop full of people and instead of talking to eachother, they are in some other world. When going to eat with my friends, half the time their nose is in the Iphone. My mother and law just got me an Iphone out of the blue (i didn't ask for it). Now I find myself doing the same thing. lol. I don't see how the venus project can change this kind of behavior.

Just the introduction of electricity, and unnatural lighting has altered our natural balance somewhat. Some say electrical lines mess with the humans energy field.

I'm not downing this in any way. I've just lived without much and off the land before, and it was probably the most care free time I've ever had. After doing that for a while, and you see someone with even a flashlight, its like an alien tool.

I'd say the closest thing to the Venus project these days is the Rainbow Gatherings. If you haven't been to one, I recommend it.

I typed this kinda fast cause I'm messing with my kid. sorry if there's any spelling errors.

Just got finished with the movie.

The first part of the movie absolutely fascinated me.

The second part of the movie about the market I had mixed thoughts about it. I think some of it is untrue. There
are a few things that do make sense though . Like yes there is such thing as planned obsolescence because I am an engineer and when you are designing some goods you need to have planned obsolescence otherwise the person can keep the product forever and you will not make a profit. The company can not grow if it does not have profit. Use your noodle to make sense where planned obsolescence would not apply.

Third part of the movie sounds great and I would wish that the world was idealized like that , but unfortunately it
is nothing but an idealization. Humans are too corrupt as a whole to create a world like that. Just how true
communism sounds great on paper, when implemented it is nothing but a total disaster.

A quote that got my attention: "good ole' USA greatest country in the world!""Have you been to India? have you
been to England? have you been to France?" "No." "then what do you make your assumptions on?" "they can't answer and they get mad at you."

Fourth part of the movie I also have mixed opinion on it.


All in all it was ok. I found the first part of the movie the most interesting because ,to be honest, I have never
heard of the issues before.

I watched half of it until my wife saw me watching it.... I got in trouble!!!!

YUP!

"Why are you watching that without me? I want to watch it too!"

We have both seen the first two movies.... good stuff!

I will watch the movie tomorrow with my wife when my 3yo son goes to bed for the evening

Thanks for the Link S&F!!!

I have watched both the previous installments and looking forward to this one... although not everything that is said should be believed (like "...you dont need to pay taxes..." etc) its a good eye opener and well thought out.

S & F

It was very enlightening and informative. Definitely needs to be seen by all, especially to learn about human nature and how we have all be manipulated. We are products/victims of society.

reply to post by fordrew


You know, by saying the third part is improbable due to humanity being too corrupt, you completely forget that the solutions in three require the issues that the first part shed light on to be addressed. You can't bake bread without yeast, and you can't make a sensible society without a social revolution in how we raise infants and interact with one another.

reply to post by mc_squared


Starred and flagged.

I've seen the first two, numerous times...as I sat others down and made them watch it with me.

Some of the religious details are a tad sketchy in the first one, but other than that they dissect the system quite well.

The second one, Addendum, was a real eye opener as to how the financial system really works against us.

I'll be sure to post my thoughts here when I'm done...if I can stay awake. I've been lurking the dugway thread for about 2 and a half hours now, lol

(hooray, 20 posts! lol)

Yay! Been looking forward to this latest installment, loved the first two. Plan to watch with the wife tonight... oh, but American Idol is on. What to do...

After the misinformation and lies presented in the first of this series, I find it hard to even get motivation to watch this one. Anyone fact check during this to see if they're still pulling the same thing?

Originally posted by againuntodust
After the misinformation and lies presented in the first of this series, I find it hard to even get motivation to watch this one. Anyone fact check during this to see if they're still pulling the same thing?

What misinformation? What lies? What exactly discourages you to watch this film? Can you show some proof to back up your opinion? Can you provide some examples of the things you mentioned?

I doubt you have an answer for any of those questions.
Prove me wrong.

reply to post by TheOneElectric


yes , I think I understood that. But once again we are all humans. It is rather impossible that every single parent in the world would follow the implicit suggestions mentioned in the first part (do not abuse your child, hold your child, etc). It is because we are humans. Like I said before Marxism did look great on paper but when applied humans have power struggle issues... It has to do with human nature.. and we can't control that because we are animals.

Just finished watching Moving Forward and thought it was great.
Like someone else mentioned this should be shown in all schools, all 3 should be shown in schools, I don't see Catholic Schools jumping on board with the first one though

It would be great having millions of young minds watching this and giving them an image of what could be if we wipe out the monetary system and all the lies and corruption that go along with it.

reply to post by xxshadowfaxx


So true. Of course, they have no problem watching eight hours of football and hollywood films. Willful ignorance is something I have a hard time understanding in people. At the same time, I think many people are just afraid of how their belief of what reality is could be flipped upside down.

Very interesting watch. There is a problem with the solution offered tho' - the current power brokers. Are they really going to relinquish all that hard fought for cash and subsequent power that goes with it to live in some utopian and equal paradise.

This is still a dog eat dog world - we are fundamentally animalistic....and comunal. Now look at the power brokers who are basically sociopaths and psychopaths.....and mostly physically inferior creatures.

In a society that lived off the land, in tune with nature and taking advantage of the technology available to use, would these power brokers still flourish? I don't think so, and I don't think they think so either. For that reason the alternative resources based economy advocated by the film would be pretty difficult to implement.

The current power brokers will use every propoganda technique at their disposal along with every oppressive practice they have learned to protect their own positions to stop any of this from happening.

reply to post by mc_squared


Thanks for posting the video!

Just posted to have quick access to the video - I'll watch it later this evening with some popcorn and a beer!

Cheers!

I have seen the first two movies several times and have now seen the third. The information on religion is intriguing, and the information on the financial system is spot on. I agree with what Peter Joseph is saying. However, I think he forgets one thing; human nature. He wants to remove competition from human nature. And while this sounds logical and philosophically correct and would lead to abundance and perhaps Eden, to arrive there would require a total failure of the current system. We are too content to change on our own. We are not the noble, angelic beings Peter Joseph suggests and tries to personify in his speech and character. Humans are imbued with insecurity and greed brought on by generations of poverty, abuse and scarcity. We have been trampled by invaders and tyrant kings. We have lived under the thumb of governors, dictators, and armies. Todays legion of lords is more subtle, the bankers, whose actions will rot what is left of our culture by selling us over-priced, obsolete junk and trinkets while stealing the rest from us through taxation and interest. We are scarred and as a result we are insecure, petty and greedy. This perception is ingrained in our collective psyche in such a way that it is not a symptom, but part of who we are. We are flawed by this. It would take several generations of abundance to undo the trauma and return to what we once were.

In order for this Eden to manifest, there must be a transitory period between times of scarcity and abundance. And as the system changes, millions will die in the chaos, and we will be scarred again. The best that we can hope for is a successful transition while limiting the number that will perish.

To help me illustrate this, I will give a scenario.

Let's suppose China determines that the US is incapable of paying its debt, and dumps the dollar. Instantly, in the US, we cannot buy any goods. No trucks are running to deliver to stores, because there is no fuel, because suppliers cannot afford to buy any. Store shelves are empty in hours. There is panic, rioting and chaos, especially in large cities. Even if the US government nationalized all the infrastructure, the dollar is still worthless and so are the bonds. The truckers will stay home to be with their families, to protect them in the chaos. The electric grid won't stay on very long either since utility workers will also be home with their families. The military is in no shape to help. At best, they will only be able to protect the powers that be, the status quo. They will not be paid in dollars, but in food, water and protection (safe, communal housing with other soldiers/police). The US government could operate this way for a very long time, producing what they need and buying the rest with gold and silver reserves. Let us hope that at this point we are not turned into a 1984 society. Eight weeks into the crisis, personal food stores are depleted and people start wandering. Some hide, some fight, some starve. The ones that survive this chaos are the ones who are able to grow their own food. This means they have saved enough food to out-last their neighbors and are able to start a successful garden. Perhaps they could even procure a chicken to get some eggs. It is at this point, when the old system has fallen, that people MUST have a shift in consciousness in such a way that they strive for cooperation and not competition. This is where a new system can begin. If that does not happen, we will be right back where we started.

Being a fan of the first two installments (and one to spread them wherever I can) I am sad to say this one was not that good. Reminded me of how disappointed I was with the final Matrix film.

Reasoning-

1) A lot of "no duh" stuff.

2) A lot of "not going to happen in our life time" stuff.

3) A lot of boring talk about things we all know already or what was already covered in the last two flicks.

Yes, yes, yes...I see a lot of people eating this documentary up and loving it, but seeing how the first two were basically educational pieces- this one sort of just leaves me seeing this as a "wish list movie".

I know not many will agree...but the first two were brilliant and this one seems stagnant and ho-hum. It feels to me that the creators ran out of hard hitting content and just decided to advertise the Venus Project a little more.

Sorry...I won't be watching this one again, nor recommending it to anyone as a "must see".

I'm very disappointed and was really looking forward to having my mind blown. Sadly I left thinking "I wasted my time".

MM