Sexist Female Oppression? Cleavage In The Workplace

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


just in passing but are you saying breasts are not sober at all ? they can get pretty darn sober when they have to be surgically altered or removed.

reply to post by undo


Are you really upset that someone was denied a modeling job based on a part of their body? That's female oppression? I'm sorry there are standards for corporate photography and anyone who has been in the business will tell you that. I was in male modeling when I was young, they constantly told me I was too short for my age, being a boy and all, and that my thighs are unproportional to my body, eyes are too far apart, etc.... "OHNOES , they said things about my appearance in this job that is based on my appearance -- big surprise . Good thing I'm making $115/hour smiling in front of an oversized piece of white paper or I would pretend to get upset about it."

Surely they stopped hating women like you feminazis say they do to hate on the boys for a while. Wow, these people sure hate a lot of different genders.

I'm sorry, you would have to be blissfully ignorant to think this is a gender-specific incident and complain as if it's a conspiracy against women's bodies..

I'm sorry this "walk in her shoes!" nonsense you speak of is something I have done already in my lifetime and it's not awful so your crusade for boobie sympathy falls short of the reality spectrum.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

just in passing but are you saying breasts are not sober at all ? they can get pretty darn sober when they have to be surgically altered or removed.

What is it with you and twisting words? I said in a work environment that showing cleavage means the company probably won't have the same conservative, sober, professional image as a company that insists the employees cover them up. I said nothing about breasts never being sober, breast cancer is pretty sobering, but hey lets stick on topic and not twist what people are saying shall we?

Good.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


The problem is that it is impossible to point out "modern female oppression" over here these days without blatantly making it up and/or acting like it's gender-specific when it isn't.

Oh, and don't talk about mens' rights, that's misogynistic. what is for men surely opposes women.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by undo

 

And that quote is utterly unfair because most people here are not saying cleavage should be banned in all places, only work and for very good reasons which have been explained to you multiple times and you seem unable to grasp. If people were simply projecting then they would want cleavage banned everywhere. That quote was playing the victim and she should be ashamed. All womens bodies are sluttier than mens? Yeah right ok well i don't believe that and she is an idiot for saying it.


The article is from the dailymail as well, typical garbage.

edit on 19-12-2010 by ImaginaryReality1984 because: (no reason given)

Typical garbage? Yet here you are wallowing in the dump with this garbage time after time after time. If this is such a garbage topic, why are you even participating? The fact you find this topic to be garbage colors your responses.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by hotbakedtater

 

oh, i guess i was wrong i thought you were just saying you weren't ashamed of your breasts and wore clothes that you felt accentuated them most attractively (and v necks appear to be a popular choice for breasty women because they streamline the torso moreso). but what you're actually saying is women should be allowed to show cleavage in any work environment where there's no hard and fast rules about attire, and still expect the same chances at promotion.

edit on 18-12-2010 by undo because: (no reason given)

Of course that is what I am saying. That is how it should be, and that is why I said it is oppression and a conspiracy against women. The entire thing boils down to the OTHER person and their perversions, or lack of self control, not the breasts.

It's not oppression: It's called a "Dress Code". Most companies and all government agencies have one. This issue should be determined using "Dress Code" as the determining factor. When you agree to accept employment at a place of business, you agree to abide by the rules governing dress, etc.

Originally posted by Seitler
reply to post by undo

 

Not to mention being treated as a person and not just boobs on a chest.

@hotbakedtater- So as you just suggested, lets assume I work in an office for a business that is a small firm. Maybe 20 people max. Let's assume that the boss is a male in his mid-50s. His two supervisors are both male and female. The female is getting fired, and her job is up for offer. You are in the running for the position against 5 other people in the office. You wear low-cut shirt to work everyday, the other 3 competing women wear traditional office attire. The only male wears a pair of jeans every day.

ALL OF YOU have the same qualifications. ALL OF YOU are more than able to do the work. Who would you choose? The girl who looks as if she wants to be a server at Hooters? The guy that looks as if he is more comfortable on a horse than in an office? or one of the 3 girls that LOOK like business professionals?

This is why you should dress for the position, even if you have not got it. EVEN if it is not open. When it is open, you may want it but your previous actions and appearances can and will prevent you from getting the job.

Again I say

ress to fit the position you wish to be in. Not the position you currently serve in.

edit on 12/18/2010 by Seitler because: wording

Um why in the world is a boss allowing low cut shirts if he refuses to promote on that basis? Why are you saying a hooters shirt, none of my v necks are nasty looking or over the top, cleavage does not equal Hooters.

Your scenerio is nonsense. If v necks are a problem, it needs to be stated exactly in the dress code. If not, then the boss needs to shut the hell up.

reply to post by Zeptepi


If that company hire sme and fails to spell out exactly that v necks are forbidden they need to get over it. Also, if I wear a v neck and my boss fails to mention it in a negative way, precedent has been set, and the boss is saying by default the clothing is ok.

reply to post by Wyn Hawks


I dont care how others respond to the thread. I was not dictating how others respond, I was TELLING them what I would discuss. MY choice.

And offering an opinion is not tmi, it is part of the debate. Me personally, is NOT up for debate.

Originally posted by undo
my question is then, if the woman is responsible for how the man's biology works, and she must be altered so he doesn't sin/slack off on the job/promote her mindlessly and etc, when DOES a man's responsibility begin, or does it?

edit on 19-12-2010 by undo because: (no reason given)

On ats, it never begins, it is always the females fault. Just read the rape threads around here, and the men have no control over creating a baby thread. Now we have, men cannot control themselves around cleavage. And we wonder why there are so man stupid dad commercials. It is to cater to the likes of the posters we find in these threads.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Typical garbage? Yet here you are wallowing in the dump with this garbage time after time after time. If this is such a garbage topic, why are you even participating? The fact you find this topic to be garbage colors your responses.

Well tater i could go out of the thread and not return so i don;t have to read this nonsense or i could try and clear the garbage up, i guess you know which way i'm going on that one don't you Someone can thin the topic is idiotic but still enjoy the debate, putting their points across etc.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
On ats, it never begins, it is always the females fault. Just read the rape threads around here, and the men have no control over creating a baby thread. Now we have, men cannot control themselves around cleavage. And we wonder why there are so man stupid dad commercials. It is to cater to the likes of the posters we find in these threads.

Back to the man hating stuff as usual, it's your default position afterall.

Tater i'm not going to blame a woman if a man at work jumps over a desk and grabs her breasts because he can't control himself at the sight of cleavage, i will however blame a woman if she knows that showing cleavage can hurt her promotion chances and then does so anyway. You have no legal right to show your cleavage at work, just as i have no legal right to show my rather fantastic backside at work.

reply to post by undo


Are women with large breasts representative of the average woman? No, that's why it's silly to promote the idea that large breasts are the norm. This is not only about objections from men - it's also about how it affects teenagers and young women.

Most people do not judge women with large breasts harshly simply for having large breasts. It's the exposing of the breasts that is the problem. It's the same as somebody with a huge belly. If your belly is covered there is no problem. If it is uncovered and fat is hanging out then there is a problem.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


It's actually because ATS is not flooded with the same Pro-Feminist propaganda as the MSM. As such, people that have criticisms of Feminism are allowed to voice their concerns and men are allowed to stand up for their rights without having their names smeared.

It's about time society stops bending to the whims of the Feminist movement and starts to treat women like adults, not spoiled children. If you cannot handle the responsibilities that come with equality, then you do not deserve equality.

Originally posted by Dark Ghost
reply to post by undo

 

Are women with large breasts representative of the average woman? No, that's why it's silly to promote the idea that large breasts are the norm. This is not only about objections from men - it's also about how it affects teenagers and young women.

Most people do not judge women with large breasts harshly simply for having large breasts. It's the exposing of the breasts that is the problem. It's the same as somebody with a huge belly. If your belly is covered there is no problem. If it is uncovered and fat is hanging out then there is a problem.

Um, maybe you should create a topic for women who EXPOSE their breasts then, because cleavage is NOT EXPOSING anything.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater

And offering an opinion is not tmi, it is part of the debate. Me personally, is NOT up for debate.

But you didn't simply offer an opinion tater, you gave a sepcific instance involving yourself and your decision to show cleavage in the workplace, you made the decision to say your breasts are your best asset, you made the decision to paint a target on your forehead and when some of us decide to take a few shots you decide it's not fair.
If you mention something that you yourself have done in relation to the topic at hand then expect that action to be picked apart and criticised.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by Zeptepi

 

If that company hire sme and fails to spell out exactly that v necks are forbidden they need to get over it. Also, if I wear a v neck and my boss fails to mention it in a negative way, precedent has been set, and the boss is saying by default the clothing is ok.

"Um, Bill, the company would appreciate it if you wore longer shirts that prevent your gut from hanging out."

"Respectfully, sir, that's male oppression and you're a misandrist. I'm sane, promise -- promote me, not the guy that's dressed properly and not arguing with you about the dress code as if it's a big deal."

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Originally posted by hotbakedtater

And offering an opinion is not tmi, it is part of the debate. Me personally, is NOT up for debate.

But you didn't simply offer an opinion tater, you gave a sepcific instance involving yourself and your decision to show cleavage in the workplace, you made the decision to say your breasts are your best asset, you made the decision to paint a target on your forehead and when some of us decide to take a few shots you decide it's not fair.
If you mention something that you yourself have done in relation to the topic at hand then expect that action to be picked apart and criticised.

It was an in general opinion, not an actually happened statement. Haven't you ever debated before?

And thanks for letting everyone on ATS that you are in my thread merely to play a game with me, by saying you see a target on my head (violent much?) and thus you are merely here to take shots at me.

I have never said the words NOT FAIR, try reading my posts. Is there anything indicative inside any of them that screams NOT FAIR? When I take a position in a debate (not a personal attack fest) I defend that position. That is what I am doing.

I will need to see a quote where I uttered the words not fair, please. Otherwise, yes I am right you are trolling me.

reply to post by Dark Ghost


ALL women have breasts, not just your self proclaimed "pro femisnists". What is that anyway? This topic has nothing to do with feminism, nice try.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


Except for the fact that you would have to be offensively feminist to argue one of the sides of this argument and believe your side's argument has something to do with gender discrimination.