Sexist Female Oppression? Cleavage In The Workplace

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by gimmefootball400

 

do you think women who are large breasted should seriously consider having breast reduction surgery so they can fit into the "professional" mold that's being cultivated in this thread? HOW serious does a woman have to be to keep her job? would YOU get a body part cut off to keep a job?

edit on 19-12-2010 by undo because: (no reason given)

Once again you don't seem to comprehend what is being said, i have yet to see anyone here suggesting women should get breast reductions, the last couple of pages alone prove that simply covering the cleavage up would mean the wooman gets treated as a professional because she has made the effort to look professional. While the one case you highlight might suggest otherwise i remind you that it is one case, even if you find 3 cases it's 3 out of millions of working women.

That doesn't make it right but it simply means it's incredibly rare and therefore it's like absolutely anything else, i could go online right now and find cases of sexism against men, would that prove the entire work environment is sexist against men? Of course not.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


i think i'll just refrain from responding to your posts in this thread from now on, as i believe you are using this opportunity to harrass the ladies in the thread who disagree with you, no matter how insignificantly. for example, it's been documented, probably millions of times now, that sexual harrassment of beautiful , particularly breasty women, has been a problem for a very long time, but you're not willing to concede any of it. as a result, i believe you are trolling me.

Originally posted by undo

if she's telling the truth, they didnt fire her because of her clothing, they fired her because of her body type, which is what i've been trying to explain this entire time. you can wear appropriate clothing and still end up being categorized as a "bimbo" just for having large breasts (and her case, long legs and a pretty face to boot).

Oh please, that's not even close to what the OP put forth. The OP was, "I am woman see my boobs." Guess what? I've been saying it all along. Display your boobs. I'll look and be appreciative, even though not a boob man but don't try to paint this than anything other than it is. A woman trying to play the "boob card" and get away with it.

You want equality, which you already do, don't go out of your way to play yourself as a victim if you are being sexist yourself. Yup, I'm going there. Woman being sexist. Deal with it. I'll call a spade a spade.

Not for nothing, but...

The reality that people are fighting, about boobs, has just killed the last smoldering embers of my faith in humanity. All that has to happen now is for somebody to start a thread based war about beer - and all hope will be lost.

Must everything that is important in life be destroyed by this cruel, cruel world?

~Heff

Originally posted by Hefficide
Must everything that is important in life be destroyed by this cruel, cruel world?

~Heff

Only by those that would do what they want and not take responsibility for their actions. Seems like it's not going to play here. Good.

reply to post by intrepid


the first thing in the OP is a link to an article discussing how women are actually being penalized for being breasty ( even self-inflicted), where before some women were using it to get promoted, now they are having their own breasts mangled and/or are being fired for even remotely looking like they might be fun in the sack (which, depending on what part of the world you come from, can be anything from showing a little too much wrist, to revealing a bare shoulder, or in the case of the lady in the video, even wearing a turtleneck with no cleavage, because it was form fitting and revealed that she had large breasts like "kasaba melons." i'm fairly certain it wouldn't have been such an issue for her to wear a pencil skirt, if she didn't have long, slender legs, and was instead, the average female physique with the normal bumps and bulges that go along with child rearing. which proves my point that being beautiful or breasty or both, requires you go to extremes to keep your job

This is my favourite thread. I was picked on for years for my flat chest (poached or fried?) and got knocked back so many times by lads at school because of my lack of chestiness compared to my peers. I could wear a v-neck cut down to my navel and still not show any cleavage...but I certainly don't hold it against those that nature blessed more amply because their cleavage starts somewhere under their chin.

I work in the public sector, there is no dress code, other than to be dressed and some women dress a little more revealing than others, I tend to scruff it, one of the top PhD types has a slight overhang, shirt not quite covering everything, issue, but no-one holds it against him.

Seems the trick is to not work in a place when appearances are everything. Some people where I work clearly don't even look in the mirror before they leave the house, and why should they, they are damn good at what they do and are judged on that, not on such superficial nonsense as to whether they might be showing a little more boobage than is deemed appropriate. Perhaps that is why, in the public sector, panel interviews are insisted upon, so that one small mind won't make such petty judgements.

Tater, get into science, they'll love you for you and your jiggly bits

Obviously many people are missing the point the OP was making. After reading and responding, I have come to understand she doesn't care about equal treatment. She wants concessions made for her and other women with big boobs that they should be allowed to "showcase" their cleavage. Phooy!

I think I should drop my pants half-way down my butt crack, put a bra on the cheeks, and rightly suggest its simply my butt-cleavage. OH, what's that? This is not the same thing? I thought it was just about the right to show a little skin, and that is all the butt is, skin and fat... same as the chest. The only difference is that I can't feed a baby with "my cleavage."

Wake up and pay attention class... if it doesn't pass as acceptable in a 3rd-grader's classroom, then it probably (not in every case mind you) does not pass as acceptable in a professional working environment.

With that, I am done. Done posting on this forum as I have come to see this is truly beating a dead horse. Only, the horse seems to think its still alive and has sure footing...

reply to post by undo


Please, I'm sorry but that's BS. Reread the OP. There have been arguments here that boobs aren't sexual organs and then talk of men that have a lack of "self control". Complete BS. Oxymorons. We all see what is going on here. "I'm going to do what I want and want no repercussions." Sorry, life doesn't work that way. Do what you want, just don't expect that there will be no repercussions.

Originally posted by intrepid
Please, I'm sorry but that's BS. Reread the OP. There have been arguments here that boobs aren't sexual organs and then talk of men that have a lack of "self control". Complete BS. Oxymorons. We all see what is going on here. "I'm going to do what I want and want no repercussions." Sorry, life doesn't work that way. Do what you want, just don't expect that there will be no repercussions.

The only time guys have stared at my chest was when they were serving their biological purpose. The amount of guys who will go out of their way to cop a look at a breast feeding mother is astounding!

Anyone remember the uproar when Paula Yates breast feed in public?

Actually to add, I remember last year at the works christmas dinner, the lady opposite me was feeding her baby as we all ate, and I think largely because alot of the people there were from mainland Europe, noone batted an eye lid. A decade ago that would have been considered scandalous.

reply to post by intrepid


and you fail to address that my position is not in agreement with the op's position as regards the workplace, but rather, pointing out the reasons why there's a big fuss about it to begin with: et. al, that people are too consumed with women's breast size. that the reason they are is because of projection. because we've practically mythologized female breasts, and equated them the same position as the "devil made me do it." this has got to stop.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
The amount of guys who will go out of their way to cop a look at a breast feeding mother is astounding!

It sure is. I dealt with this about 4 months ago. My thought was 2 fold. 1- "Why do I have to be present during this?" 2- "Dude, you're her husband, why are you putting us through this?" That said I have 3 kids myself but I would have kicked my wife's ass if she was just going to float the puppies out there for anyone to see. Decorum, not just for the 21st century anymore. I don't care that it's natural. Taking a dump is too but I don't want to see someone doing it.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
The amount of guys who will go out of their way to cop a look at a breast feeding mother is astounding!

It sure is. I dealt with this about 4 months ago. My thought was 2 fold. 1- "Why do I have to be present during this?" 2- "Dude, you're her husband, why are you putting us through this?" That said I have 3 kids myself but I would have kicked my wife's ass if she was just going to float the puppies out there for anyone to see. Decorum, not just for the 21st century anymore. I don't care that it's natural. Taking a dump is too but I don't want to see someone doing it.

That is the most pathetic thing I have ever heard! Uggghhh! Seriously, I want to vomit at your...I have no words...

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
That is the most pathetic thing I have ever heard! Uggghhh! Seriously, I want to vomit at your...I have no words...

OK, explain your response because it's confusing to me. Secondly, how old are you?

some of the arguements of this thread just make me question the intelligence of the poster...

1) breasts are not a sexual organ

I've already posted statistics that show an average of 1,000 women get breast augmentatuion EVERY DAY

2) men have control of the biological function of erection

Viagra, Cialis, Levitra and Caverject. just a few of the drugs that would say this is not a fact

3) women should be able to wear clothes that show cleavage because its discrimination to not allow this.

can you go into work wearing a bikini? men in a speedo or wearing a tank top? dress code is subject to the EMPLOYER not the employee...

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
That is the most pathetic thing I have ever heard! Uggghhh! Seriously, I want to vomit at your...I have no words...

OK, explain your response because it's confusing to me. Secondly, how old are you?

I am 39, thank you very much, and you are confused! Bless your cotton socks. Breast feeding is what breasts are for. Yes they are also very nice for sexual purposes, but first and foremost, if someone is a mother, then they are for feeding your baby...and believe me, there is nothing more wonderful, from my perspective, than knowing that I gave to my child in that way. Just because you see a woman as a man's property and those breasts as being for that man's 'fun' and his enjoyment alone, does not mean that every man is as shallow and self involved as you.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Just because you see a woman as a man's property and those breasts as being for that man's 'fun' and his enjoyment alone, does not mean that every man is as shallow and self involved as you.

Whoa, draw you're claws in mother. I said no such a thing. My wife breast fed too and I saw it and it was beautiful. I'm saying that OTHER guys don't want to be subjected to others moments. And yes, some guys do see breasts as their "fun". I do too at times, I'm a guy as well. But you really should back up that "property" #. I find that offensive and I KNOW my wife would as well.

I'm not saying that they need to have breast reduction surgery so they can fit into a professional mold. In no way am I saying that women with large breasts go through with the pain that is surgery. All that I have said is that the cleavage needs to be covered and that it should be the employees' responsibility to make sure that the dress codes are adhered to. Plus, the company should be held accountable if these standards are not enforced. All that I am saying is that the cleavage should be covered up if it can be. All that I would be concerned with is how she performed her duties as an employee. As long as she keeps doing her job and performs well while doing it, then she shouldn't have to worry about anything. It should not matter how big her breasts are or by how much cleavage a woman show. What matters is how well she does at her job and how dependent she can be with her co-workers.

And to add.........
No I would not have a bodypart removed just to keep a job.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Just because you see a woman as a man's property and those breasts as being for that man's 'fun' and his enjoyment alone, does not mean that every man is as shallow and self involved as you.

Whoa, draw you're claws in mother. I said no such a thing. My wife breast fed too and I saw it and it was beautiful. I'm saying that OTHER guys don't want to be subjected to others moments. And yes, some guys do see breasts as their "fun". I do too at times, I'm a guy as well. But you really should back up that "property" #. I find that offensive and I KNOW my wife would as well.

Hahah...okey dokey...but it is the most natural thing in the world and should be celebrated. I love the European attitude, they just get the hell on with it. It is a function and it should be supported. If you don't like it, walk away, go sit somewhere else for a while. When I was feeding my son, if I didn't do it there and then it was down right painful, or even worse, I'd start leaking all over the place. Now that is embarassing believe me. When I went back to work, I had to walk home every lunchtime to express otherwise I would be in terrible pain and soaked through. Try that. Because it is natural, you don't have that much control of it. Imagine needing that dump and being told you have to wait until everyone has stopped eating and talking and you are all at home?

reply to post by undo


it has nothing to do with the appearence of a woman affecting my freedom. op says she has the freedom to dress however she likes. and a boss has the freedom to hire, or fire you for whatever reason he likes. it doesn't affect his freedom.....that's the point. no matter what you choose to do, the boss's freedom is intact just like yours is. so show up to work in a bikini, that's your right, and its the company's right to fire you.