Sexist Female Oppression? Cleavage In The Workplace

Personally, I don't think it's professional to dress provocatively in a working environment.
I wouldn't want all the dudes in the office to walk around with their pants pulled down, because they wanted to show off their "assets". Same goes for the ladies, I'm afraid.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


Parts of feminism unfortunately were used to give whiny, infantile babies what they wanted. But certain religions let man blame the devil, so it all evens out. I am actually thrilled that we, as a society, have at least reached a measure of "equality," whatever the hell that is, so that we can actually sit at the table like adults. When people are on the same level, neither side's tricks tend to work nearly as well. They dry up.

Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
Personally, I don't think it's professional to dress provocatively in a working environment.
I wouldn't want all the dudes in the office to walk around with their pants pulled down, because they wanted to show off their "assets". Same goes for the ladies, I'm afraid.

the problem is, provocative is literally, a personal judgment call. what you might consider provocative, someone else might think is pornographic and someone else might think is subdued. i think bikinis are pornographic. some people think they are appropriate wear for the occassion.(at the beach), but wouldn't hesitate for 2 seconds, to call you an attention seeking whore, if you showed up at the work place wearing ten times as many clothes, in which some attribute of your natural physique was accentuated. (and when you're busty, that's real easy to do).

reply to post by undo


There is a general rule in business over what is and is not accepted in a firm aiming for a conservative appearance. As i stated before, men are supposed to wear a suit and tie, women often wear suits as well but women have far more choice open to them that still enables them to look professional.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


unless they have a va-va-voom figure. that's where the trouble starts. a shapely calf muscle in high heels will drive leg men absolutely to the point of drooling " did you say something" mode. it's a calf muscle, good grief. so will a shapely foot, or pretty neck. or lovely breasts (of whatever size) or a beautiful face.

there's not a norm across society. there's just a workplace norm for that workplace. and into it goes, societal .prejudices, such as the inability to see how wearing a bikini is prancing around in your underwear in front of hunderds of other people, even though you claim your modest, and even deride people who wear a great deal more clothing at work, who happen to exude an aire of sexiness for whatever reason.

reply to post by undo




I bet you were not remotely sexy either. I bet you were extremely sexy. You seem like a reasonable woman. Your viewpoints seem feminine (a very broad term, a certain je ne sais quoi, not at all to imply weakness or such stereotypes). You stand your ground. You will also move it if you see the need. You seem to use more substance than linguistic magic, even though just about every woman I have met could use this if she wanted to (which is why it is so impressive that you are showing restraint). You seem to not be an attention whore at all. Hell, I am most certainly more of an attention whore, and I am a man. I know I'm not supposed to judge someone based on online postings, but since this is positive, it is an allowed exception. Your mind seems sexy to me. I just hope your boobs are as sexy. And that you don't act like a tart to get that promo. And I apologize for harassing you over the sexiness of your mind.

reply to post by undo


If some men go nuts over a leg then so be it but the woman will have dressed appropriately and therefore the guy needs to check himself. It's not one persons fault it requires both parties and i've seen women stutter when a guy in a well cut suit walks in as well so it's definitely not a single sex that is the problem.

My point is if the woman is doing her part then i have no issue with her and likewise if a guy is dressed in a suit instead of hotpants then he's doing his part. It's all equality and being professional, showing cleavage is not professional just like a man who doesn't tuck in his shirt is being unprofessional.

reply to post by orwellianunenlightenment


one is cut off radical masectomy. looks bad. big scar ugly. opted out of getting fake one, so dressing for social occassions is a challenge. i just know the issues i had to deal with a full set, were not the most positive in my life, and i actually started to relax into my own skin when i was no longer attractive in that particular way. hubby doesn't seem to mind, but then he's a very very wonderful man.

reply to post by undo


Holy ****. Sorry, that had to be awful. Sorry for the poor choice of words. I still think you're sexy. Tell your husband that some creeper online tells him that he is lucky to have such a sexy woman by his side.

OK, I'm going to "go there". Hate me if you will. I'm talking to the OP and undo. I find this funny and a bit ridiculous. If you're going to flaunt your "God given assets", fine. Realize that this comes from either insecurity or a lack of skills. I'm not a "boob man". I honestly don't care. I see a woman flaunting her "assets" and I think, "Jeez, get past this and develop(no pun Intended) a sense of personal worth."

1- Don't tell me I have a lack of self control because I don't. I DO have a lack of tolerance when it comes to BS.

2- Almost 50 years on this planet and I haven't seen it all but I've seen most of it. I know ME.

3- Yes, boobs are sexual. Why do you think they reply to tactile stimulus?

4- If you don't get my post, see the paragraph above because this seems to be a case of "I want what I want without having to deal with any consequence." Guess what? Newton's 3rd law states that, "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." You can't beat physics, no matter what anyone may think.

Flame on ladies, I can take it. Even from well endowed women. Ooooo, scary.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


there you go. you said it yourself: if a man who women have a biological reaction to, arrives, he could be fully dressed in a suit, but the women may begin to lose perspective and project onto the man, how they are feeling at that moment. he's not dumb, they just feel dumb when they are looking at him so they think he's dumb.



why do you think romance novels are so big? it isn't just the steamy stuff inside the book, it's the guy on the cover too. lol

sorry, i don't read romance novels. honest.

reply to post by intrepid



You know how much torque those large flippy-floppies can generate? I think you are going to regret your bet with the devil. It will hurt. But you will enjoy every minute of it. I am not a boob man either, but I would still enjoy the heck out of a full-boobal assault.

Originally posted by intrepid
I see a woman flaunting her "assets" and I think, "Jeez, get past this and develop(no pun Intended) a sense of personal worth."

Good post. I always ask myself what the big deal is. Who cares? Im an eyes-man. In the eyes you can see whether there are any brains behind them.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Im an eyes-man. In the eyes you can see whether there are any brains behind them.

Brains, passion, sympathy, caring, humor. You're right and I could go on.

Edit: But I can be persuaded by a nice butt. Yep, still a man.

reply to post by intrepid


i'll state it again, in perhaps a slightly different way, that a woman can be perceived as flaunting even when she isn't or isn't intentionally, simply because she's well endowed in some manner. women who dress to please their own discriminating eye, have had to live with their own reflection in the mirror for their whole lives, and have developed their personal version of what looks good on them and what does not. it may be that, in some cases. i'm not suggesting this is tater's position, as she seems to have gotten past that point into the freedom of expression aspect of it, and how being "sexy" should alter whether you are promoted or not, being a secondary effect of that.

I'm going to be frank about this topic: Like most men in their mid 20's, I do like to look at a nice rack. I am a straight, warm-blooded man after all. BUT, and let me make this perfectly clear, boobs are only skin and fat(mostly)!

SO, if you want to show off how fat your chest is at work, should I also show off how far down my leg my balls can reach? I understand that some women with large ta-tas have trouble finding clothing that fits properly, but if you are in the professional world then it is your OBLIGATION to your clients/coworkers to look PROFESSIONAL! Now 'most' women with large tits also have large bellie, and in wearing tight-fitting clothing you are forcing the world to stare at the rolls. People will try to not look, but it is going to happen because your attire makes your whole body look floppy! If you are one of the lucky ladies that are gifted with very perky knockers and a slim and tight body, well you will have problems keeping them restrained. That's as obvious as the sun rising in the morning. However, you don't need to go around wearing clothing that is more revealing of your body than your body already makes itself.

V-neckek shirts on women are fine, BUT keep it within reason if you are at work. Unless, as stated in prior posts, you happen to work as a stripper, hooker, Hooters girls, playboy bunny, ect... ;otherwise, guys will take you at chest value and damned your mind. You through that out the window when you pushed your honkers up to your chin.

(Yes... I tried to use as many different terms for breasts as possible, because the use of the term clevage was becoming redundant)

reply to post by undo


OK, but I have a question. When did any given womans experience and how it affected her, become an issue in MY life? Shouldn't it be incumbent on the individual to accept the consequences of one's actions? Like I said, for every action there will be opposite consequences. I'm not throwing stones over cleavage, I'm just saying, "If that's your thing don't complain about the consequences."

reply to post by Seitler


and that's a societal norm regarding the parameters of beauty or socially acceptable beauty. another draw back for women, is they must constantly be judged on whether they are revolting to look at, based on standards that far surpass the real world and leak over into plastic surgery and breast modification (enhancement or reduction), and various forms of cosmetics, perfumes, jewelry and etc, all of which have an appropriate and inappropriate venue. it's like navigating a maze of conflicting moral standards and societal views, regarding massive stereotypes. eventually , you throw up your hands and just wear what you think is a reasonable compromise between your personal tastes and the demands of your peers.

reply to post by intrepid


the moment you decided passing her over for promotion, based on her appearance, was fair treatment in a work place. which she may have to go to great ends to reach an acceptable, promotable version of.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by intrepid

 

the moment you decided passing her over for promotion, based on her appearance, was fair treatment in a work place. which she may have to go to great ends to reach an acceptable, promotable version of.

edit on 18-12-2010 by undo because: (no reason given)

I fail to see how that even comes close to answering:

Originally posted by intrepid
Shouldn't it be incumbent on the individual to accept the consequences of one's actions?

I would say that the most promotable woman in this digital situation would be the one that was qualified and presented themself as professional. Hell, that might be the lady with the boobs but she just happened to be professional about her "assets". Like I said in that quote.