Why do people want to legalize harmful drugs??

Originally posted by DuneKnight
All the arguments I read were not convincing not the slightest. If anything we should make more substances illegal not the other way round. Government is not trying to control you, if it wanted to it wouldve legalized it and regulated it and abused its access. Basically, it would take it away from you if you do something it doesn't like. Right now, the government knows more than you the average citizen can ever know and they know the dangers. So why defy that?

I'm guessing you don't live in the UK then, whereby the government has decided to ignore all scientific advice on drugs policy.

Instead no doubt relying on knee-jerk reactions from Daily mail readers and such.

Do you seriously think your government want what is best for you? War, pollution, bad diets, poison water, medicated children, ignoring our protests etc?

reply to post by DuneKnight


You honestly think cannabis is classified as 'dangerous'?

Did you just suddenly appear from the 1950's or something?

Physically trying to prevent people from using substances causes more problems and solves none.

Prohibition of drugs creates and amplifies the problems associated with drugs (violence and crime).

It gives criminals an artificially risky and profitable market.
It fuels ignorance about drugs and makes them more dangerous.
It turns innocent people and police against each other.

People have the right to use drugs.

Self destructive behavior (abuse and addiction) are a problem but they can not be solved with prohibition.

It is solved with education.

Obesity is a self control problem just like drug addiction.

Do we can ban fatty and salty foods or do we educate about nutrition?

To the OP: Better question:

Who appointed you the nanny-guarding of the human race? What makes you think you are morally and mentally superior to people so you should dictate how they live their lives?

Originally posted by mr-lizard
Did you just suddenly appear from the 1950's or something?

Thank you for that.. i needed a good laugh..

This guy loves having the Parental Government but this thread is a fail

OP.....

I am mortician, do you want me to give you a list of the drugs that are deadly or dangerous, as opposed to the stuff you have been "told" is dangerous.

There is no propaganda in my mortuary, just the dead truth.

If you class weed as a 'harmful drug', there's something seriously wrong.
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reply to post by CosmicEgg


very true.

you cant reach enlightenment by sitting in a closed room meditating your whole life. you have to get out and experience life first.

Government has no authority to dictate what one may or may not to with their own body.

That includes what one chooses to ingest.

reply to post by DuneKnight
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You are not seriously talking about marijuana are you? My God there is so much more to be worrying yourself about than marijuana. And you mention prescription drugs, do you have any idea that an epidemic is going on right now of prescription drug abuse? Do you watch the news?

Marijuana is not reefer madness. It is not killing off all the brain cells you were told that it would. And it is also a very effective drug to many who are suffering illness and prefer the marijuana relief methods. Please, name another drug, leave marijuana out of your 'dangerous drug' category.

Originally posted by DuneKnight
All the arguments I read were not convincing not the slightest. If anything we should make more substances illegal not the other way round. Government is not trying to control you, if it wanted to it wouldve legalized it and regulated it and abused its access. Basically, it would take it away from you if you do something it doesn't like. Right now, the government knows more than you the average citizen can ever know and they know the dangers. So why defy that?

Wow...just wow. Yeah they have big propaganda machines alright. Guess what, You don't know CRAP about America, what it means to have liberty and you spit on my very humanity with you're disturbing ignorance. Just because YOU want to be ruled over and policed morally does not mean I have to be, not in this country at least. I am KING of MY domain, so STAY IN YOUR domain.

reply to post by fallow the light



Well, actually meditation is direct experience. I do both though and as such I feel pretty competent to state that they are both direct in their approach and resultant information. Unless you do meditate quite a bit, it would be unlikely that you would realize the abilities we have in our souls. We're so much more than this meat suit.

Originally posted by eightfold
reply to post by MrWendal

 

Just my 2p, but there's evidence to suggest that smoking cannabis while the brain is developing can cause depression, anxiety and long term damage. Google is your friend, but my advice to kids that smoke weed (or that want to smoke it) is wait till you're older.

I think he was more concerned about his daughter going to jail. Be prepared to say that comment over and over again to every parent & child once its legalized. But they won't listen because if it's legal then its okay.

As for what you said about Alcohol, I never said it wasn't dangerous. In fact, I already said it would be great if it can be illegal again. But why do I talk about cannabis for instance? well because its close to being legal, and its imperative to stop it now from being legal or all hope would be lost if one wants to make other stuff like tobacco or alcohol illegal. How does one expect children to make the right choices??? You dont, all you guys say; "let them experience it and they will learn from their mistakes." And some others don't see it as a mistake at all.

Well, I'm baffled. The government already controls what you eat, so don't pretend you got some total freedom because you don't, its bogus talk. Secondly, the government should never be responsible or be an instigator to the distribution of harmful substances that overwhelm the pleasure system in the brain. Drug users sure feel entitled to ingesting whatever they like, but a big problem arises when those drug users encourage others to do the same. We got a president who was a user of such drugs yet he never said he'll make it legal actually he did the exact opposite. He has kids as well, I wonder why he made such a decision, how about you guys think about that. I have a feeling the people here who laughed and ridiculed me will regret doing so in the future when it becomes clear how very wrong they were.

Because what someone puts in to their system is none of your nor the states business, people can dislike drugs all they want, but when that crosses over the line in to taking away an adults basic human right of being able to ingest,smoke or snort anything they damn well want to, then i have a problem. Only when through that action another person liberties are harmed should other people or the state have any say in the matter. Drug use has always existed and continues to be an integral part of the human condition for the simple reason that humans like drugs....oh and the vast majority of them can be taken in moderation and responsibly with no ill effects whatsoever.

IMO, education is the way to go, not restriction. When you restrict something, that makes the younger and the foolish folks (they are one of the same, but it is a knowledge vs intelligence issue) want to do it. That's just how young people are..

Also, the government does not know what is best for you. Just because crack is bad for this guy, doesn't mean crack is bad for this guy. For example, a terminal cancer patient would have nothing to lose by doing crack. The government says crack is illegal though, so the cancer patient now has to suffer.

The whole drug question is so far mired in misinformation and dogma that any chance of a politician discussing it rationally goes out the window.

Government knows no better than you. Government doesn't care about you or yours. Government is bureaucracy and the goal of a bureaucracy is to self perpetuate while avoiding change.

The instinctive reaction to ban any chemicals that may be used for recreational purposes stems as much from religious teachings that have been embedded in society than anything else.

No recreational chemical should be illegal. The ones that enslave and destroy you should be ridiculed out of society. The current situation endangers the vulnerable its supposed to protect. If you mix falsehood with truth and call it law, then people will simply assume everything you say is wrong. They will ignore your advice and your law. That is where we have been for a long time.

Originally posted by DuneKnight
As I said I think there needs to be more banning of things like salt too but thats not major problem.

I really hope that this "harmful" substance... salt... was said in an offhand way.

The banning of salt is ludicrous.

As is the "banning" of so many drugs that are not nearly has harmful as
what Big Pharma doles out every day in doctor's offices,
along with the incentives and freebies to push said "safe drugs"
on the general populance.

I am not an imbiber of illegal drugs, but c'mon, man...
Think intelligently.
The FDA is bought and paid for by Merck, Pfizer, Glaxo-Wellcome and the like...

They don't care what is "safe".
Look at aspartame for crying out loud.

reply to post by DuneKnight


Let me ask you this:

How do you unwind at the end of a long, stressful day?

Some people drink a beer, some people drink tea, some people smoke a bowl...

reply to post by eNumbra

Lots of things that aren't healthy are legal, you can't ban one without banning the other and if you had to follow that line of reason we'd have to ban everything. My god I hope this thread was a joke.

I think President Dwight Eisenhower had the Correct Answer:
If all that Americans want is security, they can go to prison. They'll have enough to eat, a bed and roof over their heads....

There is a kind of dictatorship that can come about through a creeping paralysis of thought, readiness to accept paternalistic measures by government, and along with those measures comes a surrender of our own responsibilities and therefore a surrender of our own thought over our own lives and our own right to exercise the vote. The free system gives the right to every citizen to do something for himself. Because he has the right, the opportunity is always there.

reply to post by crimvelvet


Awesome Quote!!

Man i love Eisenhower.. Wish he were still around......