Why do people want to legalize harmful drugs??

All the arguments I read were not convincing not the slightest. If anything we should make more substances illegal not the other way round. Government is not trying to control you, if it wanted to it wouldve legalized it and regulated it and abused its access. Basically, it would take it away from you if you do something it doesn't like. Right now, the government knows more than you the average citizen can ever know and they know the dangers. So why defy that?

Originally posted by DuneKnight
All the arguments I read were not convincing not the slightest. If anything we should make more substances illegal not the other way round. Government is not trying to control you, if it wanted to it wouldve legalized it and regulated it and abused its access. Basically, it would take it away from you if you do something it doesn't like. Right now, the government knows more than you the average citizen can ever know and they know the dangers. So why defy that?

Can you better explain what exactly you're talking about?
What harmful drugs are you referencing?
Who is saying these should be legal?
The government knows what to do with our own body more than we do ourselves?
This post leaves me

Originally posted by DuneKnight
Right now, the government knows more than you the average citizen can ever know and they know the dangers. So why defy that?

You're right; I'll go back to eating my McDonalds, drinking my perfectly legal alcohol, smoking my perfectly legal cigarettes (which doctors once promoted as "healthy") and being a quit lazy little piece of human cattle walking in circles until my time on the mortal coil expires.
Rock climbing is dangerous we should outlaw that too, and skydiving, and bears. Don't forget bears; they're more dangerous than you can imagine.


Lots of things that aren't healthy are legal, you can't ban one without banning the other and if you had to follow that line of reason we'd have to ban everything. My god I hope this thread was a joke.

Originally posted by xEphon

Originally posted by DuneKnight
All the arguments I read were not convincing not the slightest. If anything we should make more substances illegal not the other way round. Government is not trying to control you, if it wanted to it wouldve legalized it and regulated it and abused its access. Basically, it would take it away from you if you do something it doesn't like. Right now, the government knows more than you the average citizen can ever know and they know the dangers. So why defy that?

Can you better explain what exactly you're talking about?
What drugs are you talking about?
Who is saying these should be legal?
The government knows what to do with our own body more than we do ourselves?
This post leaves me

I think you already answered your own question. I'm not talking about pharmaceutic drugs, I'm more focused on the ones that make you high.

Ask anyone who you think's been negatively affected by drugs if they'd be in the same situation they're in if there weren't such harsh penalties for getting caught doing something they're going to do regardless of its legal status...

This thread is based on ignorance

Originally posted by DuneKnight
. I'm not talking about pharmaceutic drugs, I'm more focused on the ones that make you high.

You mean like pharmacueticals?

Abusing prescription drugs is the same as abusing any other. You can get high by sniffing glue, huffing paint and standing on your head and holding your breath.

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by DuneKnight
Right now, the government knows more than you the average citizen can ever know and they know the dangers. So why defy that?

You're right; I'll go back to eating my McDonalds, drinking my perfectly legal alcohol, smoking my perfectly legal cigarettes (which doctors once promoted as "healthy") and being a quit lazy little piece of human cattle walking in circles until my time on the mortal coil expires.
Rock climbing is dangerous we should outlaw that too, and skydiving, and bears. Don't forget bears; they're more dangerous than you can imagine.


Lots of things that aren't healthy are legal, you can't ban one without banning the other and if you had to follow that line of reason we'd have to ban everything. My god I hope this thread was a joke.

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McDonalds = Cannabis? I don't think so. As I said I think there needs to be more banning of things like salt too but thats not major problem. I find it disturbing how todays youth actually believe they have a right to smoke or drink whatever dangerous substances available to them.

Originally posted by DuneKnight

McDonalds = Cannabis? I don't think so. As I said I think there needs to be more banning of things like salt too but thats not major problem. I find it disturbing how todays youth actually believe they have a right to smoke or drink whatever dangerous substances available to them.

Heart disease, obesity, cholesterol...

pick your poison, fast food will give it to you.

What harm exactly does cannabis do might I ask?

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by DuneKnight

McDonalds = Cannabis? I don't think so. As I said I think there needs to be more banning of things like salt too but thats not major problem. I find it disturbing how todays youth actually believe they have a right to smoke or drink whatever dangerous substances available to them.

Heart disease, obesity, cholesterol...

pick your poison, fast food will give it to you.

What harm exactly does cannabis do might I ask?

edit on 12/10/2010 by eNumbra because: (no reason given)

the worst poison. It affects your mind, your psychology.

What I don't understand is how our culture in the U.S. condones taking "drugs" for a bum knee, ailing lungs, improperly functioning sinus, etc., but the one organ we use the most, that may benefit from perception altering substances is taboo. Often times a persons perception need only be altered just a bit, to have their lives turn around completely. But noooo, we can't have a mass of people who feel good, a mass of people who can see beyond the facade of the social structure of this country, a mass of people who are not placated by retail therapy. No let's not allow them to get their hands on any "drugs" that can benefit their most precious organ, the brain. And might I add that all drugs that are manufactured come with directions, not to exceed a certain length of time for usage. These taboo drugs can be very beneficial if used for just that, medication. Addiction, is another issue.

Originally posted by DuneKnight


the worst poison. It affects your mind, your psychology.

How?

I'm waiting for you to tell me how I've become a worse person for having partook in certain substances for a couple of years.

Originally posted by DuneKnight

Originally posted by xEphon

Originally posted by DuneKnight
All the arguments I read were not convincing not the slightest. If anything we should make more substances illegal not the other way round. Government is not trying to control you, if it wanted to it wouldve legalized it and regulated it and abused its access. Basically, it would take it away from you if you do something it doesn't like. Right now, the government knows more than you the average citizen can ever know and they know the dangers. So why defy that?

Can you better explain what exactly you're talking about?
What drugs are you talking about?
Who is saying these should be legal?
The government knows what to do with our own body more than we do ourselves?
This post leaves me

I think you already answered your own question. I'm not talking about pharmaceutic drugs, I'm more focused on the ones that make you high.

Thats such a broad sweeping general statement that I'm forced to disagree with you. But, since you clearly already have your mind made up that "anything that makes you high = bad, especially since the goverment knows better than you and has made most of these illegal" there's really even no point in even debating that point with you.

Actually the most harmful drug is alcohol, followed by heroin, crack, meth, coke then tobacco

The least harmful is magic mushrooms, lsd then ecstasy (mdma).

So what we need to do is stop getting drunk and smoking and start visiting trip city whilst loving our fellow man.

Whoah! I totally posted on the wrong thread. Oops!!

Originally posted by DuneKnight
All the arguments I read were not convincing not the slightest. If anything we should make more substances illegal not the other way round. Government is not trying to control you, if it wanted to it wouldve legalized it and regulated it and abused its access. Basically, it would take it away from you if you do something it doesn't like. Right now, the government knows more than you the average citizen can ever know and they know the dangers. So why defy that?

You know what we become when everything that might possibly kill us is banned and therefore there is no possibility of exploring the world for ourselves and learning from our mistakes? Farm animals. We cease to be human beings at that point.

People like you think we should worry about safety until there is nothing left in life but its preservation.

But guess what? I don't care how few drugs you take, you're still gonna die.

But even from a saftey perspective, drug bans end up having so many harmful side-effects that they end up achieving the complete opposite of their intended effect of safety (actually almost all government programs suffer from this problem). The violence on the Mexican border is a direct result of the U.S. ban on marijuana. For all the talk about spending a ton more money to get tougher on the drug cartels, there is one move that would cost zero dollars and destroy the cartels almost overnight: legalizing marijuana.

This would either destroy the cartels or force them to convert into legitimate non-violent businesses so they can compete with the ones that others would inevitably start. After all, who wants to buy from a thug when you can buy from a pharmacy, or even grocery store or farmers' market?

When you have no Prohibition, you have no Al Capone.

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That's because the war on drugs isn't about what drugs you're on, it's whose.

People who are going to do heroin are going to do heroin, I don't think the fact that it's illegal is going to stop them.
So why allow a black market to thrive?

Not to mention that without a proper market to distribute hard drugs, people would be left to their own devices when taking them, leading to more overdoses.

Originally posted by DuneKnight

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by DuneKnight

McDonalds = Cannabis? I don't think so. As I said I think there needs to be more banning of things like salt too but thats not major problem. I find it disturbing how todays youth actually believe they have a right to smoke or drink whatever dangerous substances available to them.

Heart disease, obesity, cholesterol...

pick your poison, fast food will give it to you.

What harm exactly does cannabis do might I ask?

edit on 12/10/2010 by eNumbra because: (no reason given)

the worst poison. It affects your mind, your psychology.

Here's a novel idea for you, how about people be responsible for their own actions???? Why does the government need to tell us what to do and what not to do. I'm all for legalizing MJ. I think it would stimulate the economy. Farming, distribution, taxes. More jobs.

I find it disturbing that PARENTS don't teach their kids right from wrong! Do you have children?????

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wow.... just....wow lol seriously? is this a joke thread? why should so called harmful drugs be legalized? because it is our right as humans to chose what we put into our bodies. as well as not all of the so called harmful drugs are really all that harmful, well not compared to what the pharmaceutical companies sell on a daily basis.like giving our children adderall

# Loss of appetite (anorexia) # Dry mouth # Difficulty sleeping (insomnia) # Headaches # Abdominal pain (or stomach pain) # Temporary increases in blood pressure # Weight loss (see Adderall and Weight Loss) # Emotional changes # Nausea, upset stomach, or vomiting # Dizziness # Diarrhea # Feeling of weakness (asthenia) # Increased heart rate (tachycardia) # Infection, including urinary tract infection (UTI) # Fever # Heartburn.

adderall

or how about all the morphine that is prescribed?

# Dizziness # An unusual pleasant feeling (euphoria) # Sweating # Headaches # Anxiety # Constipation * The urge to take more morphine than prescribed or for a non-medical purpose * Falling or unsteadiness * Unusual changes in mood or behavior * Severe constipation * Confusion * A slow heart rate (bradycardia) * Difficulty passing urine * Low blood pressure (hypotension) * Slow or irregular breathing * Severe drowsiness * Seizures * Signs of an allergic reaction, such as: o An unexplained rash o Hives o Itching o Swelling of the mouth or throat o Wheezing o Difficulty breathing. # A spinning sensation (vertigo) # Abnormal dreams # Absent menstrual periods # Accidental injury # Anemia # Back pain # Blurred vision or double vision # Changes in taste # Chills # Diarrhea and cramps # Difficulty passing urine # Difficulty swallowing # Dry mouth # Dry skin # Facial flushing # Fever # Fluid retention # Heart palpitations # Hiccups

morphine

and that's just 2 for instance. so the government that is so smart and knows so much and wants to protect us, allows the big pharmaceutical companies to give these medications to our children and our disabled.

oh yeah you can also over dose on these medications and die! so why cant i sit in my own home and ingest a non lethal substance? and if the gov will allows doctors to potentially kill us why cant we kill our self's on our own terms?

people need to google Yemen's "Qat" problem. should give some insight into what to expect when drugs become legal, especially in this horrible economy with high unemployment.