Mysterious Missile Launch Over California - 11/8/2010

reply to post by Doctor.V


What did he say? The link does not work...

Originally posted by Doctor.V
here is Michio Kaku's thoughts

Your video didn't work, so I fixed it so I can watch it here.

Originally posted by flojoedude86
...also we have the technology to take down missles with lasers completely disentegrating them leaving no evidence (for those who say if it was a missle where did it land or where was it going) at least our gov. was quick enough to take it out

This thread is already over-poisoned with nonsense like this, so gloves off:

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE BEYOND YOUR OWN UNBRIDLED FANTASY-WEAVING THAT THERE EXIST ANTI-MISSILE LASERS THAT CAN DISINTEGRATE A MISSILE COMPLETELY LEAVING NO DEBRIS. Or even that any prototype anti-missile lasers were available in the SoCal area on that date.

MAYBE THIS CAME TO YOU IN A DREAM OR IN SOME OTHER STATE OF ALTERED CONSCIOUSNESS, BUT IT DIDN'T COME TO YOU FROM ANYWHERE ON PLANET EARTH, WHERE WE LIVE, AND WHERE -- IN CASE YOU WONDERED -- OUR DAYTIME SKY IS BLUE (WHAT'S THE COLOR ON YOUR PLANET?).

This is why this thread seems bogged down, it seems the culture is that everybody is allowed to make up and promulgate what he/she wants to imagine are facts -- but no proof required, just sincerity and I-have-no-doubts fanatical credulity.

There have been dozens of requests for citations and documentation in the past several hours, aimed at the missile camp -- as far as I can tell, all such requests have been ignored.

Get back on track or close this thread down.

Mods, I'm making this strong statement as a desperate tough-love tactic, to try to save this thread. Please give me a little wiggle room.

If Michio says it. It has to be true. I've been watching and reading (what I can) what this man says for years, and I believe him. I'm done. Case closed in my book.

Here is 4 of 7 photos I shot as I watched and photographed the launch of a Vandenberg rocket from Death Valley from 234.1 miles at 62.80 degree heading. Taken just after dusk. It first appeared as a strait glowing line. Those mountains top out at 11,000ft. I know because I climbed them in 76. I shot these photos October 2nd. 1999.

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1-3 You see the stage separation as the rocket engines fan out the spent propellant. What was seen by the news camera had no such staging event. It would need to exhibit such unless it was a malfunction or not a missile as it was not at an orbital approaching speed and still in the atmosphere. Moving slowly like an aircraft at 40K.

In this event I observed the rocket exhaust eventually spread into a large sheet (7) that refracted rainbows as a noctilucent cloud high in the upper atmosphere.

This is one of several rockets I have observed live, including a telescope and from the actual launch site. What we see in the So Cal video/images does not fit the known parameters. Like I said. it was in all likelihood a commercial jet at 40K.

Originally posted by crappiekat
If Michio says it. It has to be true. I've been watching and reading (what I can) That this man says, and I believe him. I'm done. Case closed.

He looks uneasy in the video when he says that contrail is from a plane and people in the comment section don't agree, nether do i.

If Michio says it. It has to be true.

Everyone will do it or say what the media wants them to say for the money and also i don't believe in Michio anymore from the start after seeing him on some shows, i have seen him as a talking puppet for the media & government

Case closed.

Sorry it isn't.

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by flojoedude86
ok for the third time i will say this...... we can all agree it was not a plane and this is why...think logically for once, if it was a plane then at the time of the incident when people where calling 911 and news stations to report a missle the government would have checked with norad and FAA and imeddiatley had evidence to prove it was a plane then the story would be over,....

Calm explanations about this falsehood haven't worked so it's time to up the volume.

WHAT YOU HAVE ASSUMED TO BE TRUE IS NONSENSE,

NOBODY CALLED 911,

NOBODY ELSE EXCEPT THE HELO CREW REPORTED SEEING A MISSILE THAT EVENING.

NOBODY.

STOP MAKING UP FALSE FACTOIDS TO CHEAT.

I saw quiet a few links with people saying they saw this thing. Some said it did not look like a normal contrail.
And no, I will not go back thru 100 pages to find them for you...
Also, if it was flight808 then it was continuing inland at the same altitude and airspeed.
So why didn't more see this unusual contrail?
Was it because the helo filming had a better view from being in the air, closer and a quality zoom camera?
And few others saw it because it went straight up?
And what about this from page 8?

posted on 10-11-2010 @ 04:21 this post My daughter's father works for USAF Space Command/DoD/Norad and this is his job - to monitor all launches all over the world. He watched this launch as it happened and monitored it.

He knows what this is...but wont tell me. Grrr. I have tired trust me.

This is from a well respected Mod.

reply to post by JimOberg

Mods, I'm making this strong statement as a desperate tough-love tactic, to try to save this thread. Please give me a little wiggle room.

For the most part this thread has been conducted in a civil manner with little to no name calling.
So you think you know it all? Great, thats your opinion and I dont intend to call you names for having an opinion as you are.
I hope to Mods give you enough wiggle room to wiggle back into that little hole from whence you came!!!!
The debate was civil before your entrance..

I've been an airline pilot for a long time and I just want to tell you that is it NOT chemtrails, that was probably the most LAMEST excuse the US government could use. Also airspace violations due occur more then you think in California.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Case closed.

Sorry it isn't.

You should just say it is and it isn't.

After the morning I had and an interesting conversation I was still on the fence with this one, but I have seen enough to convince me that it was a plane and contrail.. But we all can believe whatever we want, and here at ATS everything is possible, and no case can ever be closed, and it shouldn't be.

What I do find alarming here is that it took the pentagon so long to "canvas the various agencies" to be certain that this wasn't a missile launch.

To me that is almost as worrisome as an actual missile launch itself would have been here.

Something that should have taken seconds took dozens of hours to confirm.

What if this HAD been a real launch, and it had taken that amount of time to sort it all out before they could do anything about it?

This is insane.

It isn't suppose to be this way.. after 9/11 changes were suppose to have been made to prevent these communications, data and info sharing failures between agencies.... So why did it take so long in this case?

In other words, nothing has changed, each agency keeps secrets from the others and only after a crisis will come forward with what they know, or in this case didn't know.

Feeling safer?

The same problems existed before the September 11, 2001 attacks when agencies had information that may have prevented the attacks but failed to do so because they all failed to connect the dots as much of the information and intelligence data etc was divided up amongst agencies and none had access to the other's.

They better fix this... Before something bad happens again.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by Doctor.V
here is Michio Kaku's thoughts

Your video didn't work, so I fixed it so I can watch it here.

Nice video, but I've stopped it right after after he said : "Ballistic missile never change direction".

Who said that one did? Ohhh by the little curve on the video?

What about that :

Video 0:20-0:23

There is something up there call wind... That is probably not that kind of missile but whatever the missile or rocket there is still wind...

abclocal.go.com.../local/los_ angeles&id=7776159&photo=1

These photos seem to look similar to the photos of the missile posted a page back or so...especially the part where the contrail and the head separate.

Sorry for the previous post..the link did not work apparently:

abclocal.go.com.../local/los_angeles&id=7776159&photo=1

and
the video

www.youtube.com...

Again it seems to match the photos of the missile a page back or so. Especially the part where the contrail and the head separate.

The photo gallery is not working for some reason. But the photos are similar to those posted earlier. If anyone can get the link the work, I would appreciate it.

reply to post by Tulkor

I had to figure this out and it took a lonnnnng time. Try this to embed video from youtube or video.google

copy only the part of url between the equal signs......=777777777=

go to ats click on site reply

go up to either youtube or google and click on correct one.

enter what you want to call it....name of site...or link....or linky...whatever

then on next entry put this for youtube...... enter it

use this for google...[gvid]doc ID[/givid]

Hope this is correct hope it helps




I have no idea why this video came up....probably has to do with something in my post...ignore it...just try the steps I posted to embed a video if you want...just trying to be helpful.


put this for youtube...

for some reason I'm having trouble posting the info. to embed for youtube. it's the same as for google except put yvid and not gvid

I'm sorry, but I've been away for a while. Does anyone believe this wasn't a warning from the Chinese?

Please, people: The Chinese got within miles of our shores, they launched a missile for all to see as a warning, and the media wants you to believe it's a contrail?

WAKE UP!

Great video by the way

Quote of the day, from this video : "It could be a bunch of kids on a boat..."

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
Your video didn't work, so I fixed it so I can watch it here.

thank you for that videopost.
I can truly say that Mr. Cuckoo
has lost all credibility with me
as a scientific researcher if
he can't see that heat signature
from the rocket booster.

thumbs down for his assessment.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade

If this had been a "real launch" there would have been radar and other indications of it. There were none. If it had been a real launch there would have been a lot of action taken very quickly.

It was not a real launch so there was no priority assigned to determine what it was...not until the internet came along and did its thing, getting a lot of people all riled up. Then it was decided that yup, I guess we have to think about it.

lol.. local fox news says that it was an airplane I just don't buy that tho lol.. can't really say what it was but last time I checked smoke plums from airplanes don't go straight up like that