Suicide And The Aftermath.

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
reply to post by wcitizen

 

I believe in reincarnation via what i have researched throughout my life..
This is part of why I hold off on another suicide attempt..

I believe strongly that when a soul suicides that they are stuck either in a loop of the suicide, is stuck asking forgiveness to the people they have affected, or god yells at them like a little kid..

But I have also read of some NDE suicides that came out real positive...

But I dont know.. The odds on my getting a normal death after a suicide i think is low.. Unless god feels sorry for me then i might get a break, I do know that I will have to redo this bs over again but from a couple of suicides that I have read where they were reincarnated god gave them a helping hand of sorts... to make things a tad easier for them to get through thier lives..

Why do you ask?

edit on 11/6/2010 by ThichHeaded because: (no reason given)

I would really like to know what life you would choose to be reborn into, if you could choose. I really hear you, that you are suffering almost unbearably, I think you are very brave to keep on trying as you have done for so many years, I understand that you feel life really sucks, and our world is not a nice place, and I would just be very interested to know - I guess the other side of the story - if your circumstances were different, what kind of life you would choose next time round.

There is no judgement or criticism intended here. I can empathise with what you say. I'm genuinely interested, but of course, if it's not something you want to reply to, no offence taken.

reply to post by wcitizen


I dont know I didnt think that far ahead.. From what I understand.. souls who have suicided one to many times are supposedly put in a special area where they are grounded to think over why they suicided in the 1st place..

Kinda like getting grounded for something stupid that you have done..

But my fear is repeating the incident over and over again untill something breaks me out of it which can take along time.(granted I will not know wtf is going on because I will have no sense of time, but the thought of so much wasted time seems bad for me.)

I know know if I suicide and i assend right, god or some elders or something will yell at me for screwing up a good body they lent me to learn some lessons i was supposed to learn.. This is a thing i am afraid of also.. because I dont want to be yelled at for some stupid act i supposedly did..

Then they will tell me ask me why I did it and what can be done to do it again.. and then I will have to come back here and redo all this bs over again with some type of help they have given me.. Usually this takes 3 to 5 yrs, and usually withiin the same circle of people that i was with before.. like parents brother and sisters crap like that..

But what kinda life do I want... I do not know.. one without so much hate and greed i suppose...

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
reply to post by wcitizen

 

I dont know I didnt think that far ahead.. From what I understand.. souls who have suicided one to many times are supposedly put in a special area where they are grounded to think over why they suicided in the 1st place..

Kinda like getting grounded for something stupid that you have done..

But my fear is repeating the incident over and over again untill something breaks me out of it which can take along time.(granted I will not know wtf is going on because I will have no sense of time, but the thought of so much wasted time seems bad for me.)

I know know if I suicide and i assend right, god or some elders or something will yell at me for screwing up a good body they lent me to learn some lessons i was supposed to learn.. This is a thing i am afraid of also.. because I dont want to be yelled at for some stupid act i supposedly did..

Then they will tell me ask me why I did it and what can be done to do it again.. and then I will have to come back here and redo all this bs over again with some type of help they have given me.. Usually this takes 3 to 5 yrs, and usually withiin the same circle of people that i was with before.. like parents brother and sisters crap like that..

But what kinda life do I want... I do not know.. one without so much hate and greed i suppose...

Thanks for your reply.

First of all, I don't believe God would yell at you. Why would he want to add to your suffering? He teaches love and compassion.

But, I do think what kind of life you would choose for next time round is worth thinking some more about, because if you believe in reincarnation, I personally believe it can make a difference - knowing what we would choose, given that choice.

It's a bit like, ok, you are giving the 'leaving' bit some thought. And that's a kind of self determination, so by the same token, where would your self determined next destination be, given the choice?

I don't mean thinking about what you might or might not be 'allowed' to do by God or anyone else, simply - when we get on a train it's good to have an idea of where we want to go next.

So far, I am getting the impression that you would like to be born into a different family - so, what would that family be like?
How would they treat you? How would they show their love? For sure, they wouldn't yell at you if you did something stupid! What world would it be in? This one? Another one, perhaps?

reply to post by ThichHeaded


Perhaps a better way of putting it would be, if you sat in front of God, and he was a kind, understanding, loving Guy, and you said to him something like: 'Ok, pass on that last life, but you know, here is what I would really like to do next time round.' And God said, ok TH, that sounds great. Have a little rest here with me and then when you're ready, go and have that.'

Having contemplated life and death myself on occasion, I just felt it was important to know what I would want when I come back next time - being unwilling to leave that decision to someone else 'up there'!

Originally posted by wcitizen

Thanks for your reply.

First of all, I don't believe God would yell at you. Why would he want to add to your suffering? He teaches love and compassion.

I didnt mean yell as in being an ass.. Kinda yell like when a parent teaches a kid something isnt right to do..

But, I do think what kind of life you would choose for next time round is worth thinking some more about, because if you believe in reincarnation, I personally believe it can make a difference - knowing what we would choose, given that choice.

It's a bit like, ok, you are getting on the 'leaving' bit some thought. And that's a kind of self determination, so by the same token, where would your self determined next destination be, given the choice?

I don't mean thinking about what you might or might not be 'allowed' to do by God or anyone else, simply - when we get on a train it's good to have an idea of where we want to go next.

I dont know if we would be able to choose. I do know our 1st trip around we are given a choice in where we want to go because particular lessons we have to learn.. HAVE TO LEARN... suicide is opting out of said lesson and will have to be completed sooner or later... But I am not sure we have a choice in a suicide whether we have a choice to pick something.. I have not learned that or have seen anything like that to say we would be able to.

So far, I am getting the impression that you would like to be born into a different family - so, what would that family be like?
How would they treat you? How would they show their love? For sure, they wouldn't yell at you if you did something stupid! What world would it be in? This one? Another one, perhaps?

I would like to ask you why you stated different family? I dont have a family persay.. Nobody in my immediate family talks to each other and so on and so forth, my life growing up wasnt exactly a good life to have.. It did teach me a few valuable lessons which failed anyway so.. meh...

From learning what I do from the bazillion NDE's I have read and learned I do believe there are other places besides this one. I dont know, the sunsets are really awesome on this planet.. Some scenic things are cool as hell also.. there are some natrual things i like about this planet.. Its inhabitants are something to be desired however.. No love for anything but themselves.... really disheartening... If you know what i mean..

reply to post by ThichHeaded

*Note: Please don't "believe" any of the words i'm about to write.

This subject is very delicate. What i'm about to reveal to you is "out of the box" so to speak. Let's just say that i had experiences that made me understand what life and death is really all about.

A human being cannot commit suicide. Let me repeat this: A human being cannot commit suicide.
A human being is influenced and manipulated to commit suicide. Why? There are many reasons.
Humans have an experimental consciousness. This consciousness is therefore manipulated in one form or another. To be more precise, it's manipulated from all sides : Visible and invisible realms of reality. Let me explain further. The mind is "cohabited" with other entities from invisible realms, such as the astral world entities and systemic entities (cosmic counterpart). The ego is also influenced by the memory of the human race as well as his own experiential memories. This results in a form of dualistic consciousness. This is why the ego experiences highs and lows during his incarnation on the planet.

Let me go a little deeper here. When a human being dies and crosses over into the astral plane, the thinking process is suspended, because after death, all the different bodies (mental, astral, vital, higher mental) go back to their respective planes. All that's left is the "memory" of the experience. In other words, dead people are memories. So, in order to balance their own energies, they need to connect somewhere. So, they connect to the minds of the living, in order to get the "impression" of being alive. Entities of the astral world are very jealous of the living, because of the long waiting period before they can incarnate again. Furthermore, the goal of the high spiritual authorities of the astral plane is to bring back humans (the living) to their world, in order to perpetuate and maintain the domination of the human race, and they have thousands of years of experience in that field. The best way for them to maintain their dominion is through the phenomena of spiritual beliefs (faith).

If i go a little deeper down the rabbit hole, certain entities of the lower astral are specialists at manipulating people in all sorts of ways. Through very specific thought manipulations, they are able to have people do all kinds of crazy stuff, like murder, rape, theft, suicide, etc. Once you understand how the game works, you start the process of defeating the manipulation that is taking place. It took me 25 years and a lot of suffering to finally see the bigger picture of the infernal cycle of life and death. Life is a game, and ultimately, we must become our own master, for there is no higher authority above man. All else is illusion and ignorance of the cosmic laws of life.

Originally posted by ThichHeaded


Why did I state a different family - I kind of picked up that might be something you might choose - if you were free to do so. Apologies if I got that wrong. I am familiar with something of the kind of family dynamics you describe - and it's for sure not something which is on my 'wish list' for my next time round! Lol!

I read something some years ago which stayed with me. It was written by an old, highly respected Buddhist teacher. He said that from a karmic point of view, there were some tendencies which brought better karma than others. They were:

1. Taking care of self and others equally (most desirable from karmic point of view)
2. Taking care self first and others second
3. Taking care of others first and self second
4. Taking care of neither self nor other (least desirable from karmic point of view)

This turned my thinking on its head, because I had been conditioned into nos 2 and 3 being reversed. So, to some extent that's where my questions come from. Irrespective of others (even God) might want - what would you want next time round? From a karmic point of view, it seems to me it;s beneficial to give that some thought in this life!

Apologies, I seem to be repeating myself here. You sound like a really nice person and I've been enjoying this exchange.

I have to go get my dinner out of the stove now, but maybe speak another time, if you're interested.

Big bear hug!

We don't KNOW any of the things that are being said here. All we KNOW, all we have for sure is NOW.

And you are squandering the one and only NOW you have, tolerating a very treatable illness. Depression.

What gains are you getting from your lifestyle of depression? What is good about it, that makes you maintain it, rather than changing it? Or are you too tired, too exhausted to try? Because exhaustion is one of the main symptoms of depression. Fatigue. Lethargy.

People have a desire to be out of pain. It's a DRIVE.

SO. Drive yourself to a doctor, and get some help and stop philosophizing about the reasons your life is so miserable. You have depression. As I said, it's a highly treatable disorder. Common and treatable.
Do yourself a favor, and treat it. What have you got to lose?

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
We don't KNOW any of the things that are being said here. All we KNOW, all we have for sure is NOW.

And you are squandering the one and only NOW you have, tolerating a very treatable illness. Depression.

What gains are you getting from your lifestyle of depression? What is good about it, that makes you maintain it, rather than changing it? Or are you too tired, too exhausted to try? Because exhaustion is one of the main symptoms of depression. Fatigue. Lethargy.

People have a desire to be out of pain. It's a DRIVE.

SO. Drive yourself to a doctor, and get some help and stop philosophizing about the reasons your life is so miserable. You have depression. As I said, it's a highly treatable disorder. Common and treatable.
Do yourself a favor, and treat it. What have you got to lose?

Exactly, this is a mental illness. Stop dwelling in your desires to kill yourself, and head to the doctor asap, and tell him everything. Get on a treatment. Or you may find yourself alive, but more miserable with brain damage, drooling everywhere, can't eat or # without assistance, all because you tried to blow your brains out. There's worse things than what is driving you to suicide.

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I have been through the whole therapist, doctor drugs bs..
It did not work then and i highly doubt now..

And yes your right.. It will straighten out sooner or later..

I have been living wit this for 36 and 2/3rd yrs I am sure it will fix itself sooner or later...

only 3 attempts in that time is good.. some people have more than that..

Thanks for showing how cool you are though..

reply to post by ThichHeaded


Get away from society, you want out of your life so just do somthing radical to change it - go bush and try to survive, if you survive you may discover a new appreciation for your life and realise that it was just your situation, if you die then at least no one can say you wernt trying. Make sure you let loved ones know what you are doing so they have closure either way.
Suicide is not selfish - it is sometimes the only way people feel they can escape but maybe escaping your life is all you really need.

double post

I have been through some really traumatic things in my life but I would never take my own life. Think about all the lives you are effecting by throwing your life away. It is the most selfish act a human can do.

reply to post by Zefflin


Did you even read his post? He is in pain and wanting to put a end to that pain and people just keep telling him that would be selfish. YOU CAN END YOUR LIFE WITHOUT TAKING IT - CREATE A NEW ONE BUDDY

reply to post by ThichHeaded


Sorry you interpreted it that way, I'm not particularly cool, not trying to be.
Peace Out.

God is goodness, goodness is true happiness, turn your vision inward, teach your heart that what it seeks abroad it holds its own treasuries within. Happiness is divinity, and thus all good men are divine by virtue of being happy. Each happy individual is divine, only God is so by nature, as many as you like may be so by participation.

-Consolation of Philosophy

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by ThichHeaded

 

Do it...life would be so much better without self pitying fools like you in it. It is a cowards way out...rather than live and deal with thier problems, they would rather take the easy way out and not have to deal with anything. Guess what...SH*T HAPPENS..and there is not one person in this world that can claim thier life is perfect and has gone thier way every single moment of thier lives. People have dealt with worse and have succeeded time and time again no matter what came thier way. They did not give up and let the bad times beat them. You on the other hand are weak and pathetic and do not seem to care how your idiotic decision would affect anyone else...only how it would make it easier for YOU...SELFISH. If you insist on doing...I would supply anything you needed....just get it over with and stop whining about how bad your life is.

Everyone is selfish, i'm sure you are more selfish. People only help others to make themselves seem good in the eyes of other people, to feed an inner desire to appease their god or beliefs. Or to make themselves believe that they are "good" individuals, heck, maybe to make sure they don't burn in hell. Everyone is selfish, and it is naive for you to think that you are above that, as you seem to indicate with your holier than thou attitude to her/his desire to commit suicide.

Having said that, yes, sh*t does happen, but certain people ARE predisposed to depressive disorders. These disorders render them depressed regardless of the circumstances of their living. What is occuring here is this person is dwelling excessively in their pit of depression, going so far as to dismiss any exterior form of aid as useless. It seems that whatever we say here is futile, as she/he is the one that has to seek out and get PROFESSIONAL help, not just random people on the internet. This might be seen as a form of attention seeking behaviour, perhaps not even intentional, but subconciously desired, perhaps due to this individuals lack of attention from anyone in his/her family/friends.

We all die alone, it's time to learn to live alone, self-sustaining, perhaps not happy, but not "sad" and "suicidal" either.

Originally posted by v3_exceed
Suicide is natural selection at its finest. Less of the self absorbed, whining, "poor me" group. More space and resources for the rest of society. When you self terminate you should expect people will ridicule your memory, why would you care? Do you really think funerals are for the deceased?

I have had plenty of relatives suicide, they were idiots. They never saw those few pleasures we earn in life. Seeing our grand kids, being there to help guide the young through the experience hard won within our own lives. Even the few good things that life begrudgingly sends our way are being tossed aside by these people.

I can't say how "tough" these other peoples lives were or were not. I know that it has been my experience that the people killing themselves aren't worth the time it takes to think about them. Everybody's life is tough. Everybody's life is painful. Sure it would be great if it wasn't, but it's up to each one of us to take up the effort to change things. Imagine if Edison said, "Damn it's dark, I'll just kill myself, so I don't have to fall down in this dark world."

..Ex

Your post comes across as saying that everyone should appreciate life and those who do not are just ignorant idiots who fail to understand the beauty of life. Your take on this topic offers no room for individuality. Everyone is different. What may be good for you is not necessarily good for someone else.

People kill themselves because life is not for them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Everyone should feel they have the freedom to exit at anytime they choose.

You can't dictate the way everyone should feel as you have no right to do so.

And suicide does not always coincide with "natural selection". The choice to end your life can go far beyond genes and who is more "fit" to survive. The choice to end your life is more about your beliefs, perspectives, and the way you see life. Ive heard many stories of intelligent people who killed themselves because they came to a conclusion that life was meaningless.

I can tell that you probably have a view of life that would prevent you from committing suicide. I and others respect that viewpoint. But there are others who could care less about their life and they want nothing more than to leave. You should respect that state of mind just as others have respected yours.

Well lets all take this in retrospect.

No one really knows, so depending on what you believe this is a very touchy subject.
Lets take it there is no God no reincarnation no life after death...
Nothing happens it's like before you was born... Can you remember what is was like before you was born???? Nope your non-existent is it better then living everyday life? Could be.....

Now if you want to add anymore you have to build a belief system you don't want to hear mine...