The Truth about the 33 miners/Copiapo mining accident

reply to post by TheLoneArcher


What a well though out, erudite, logical and - more importantly – sensible approach to the question of the divine.

Thank you, and thank goodness for your reasoned contribution to this morass of radicalism.

reply to post by Beamish


Thank you for your kind words. I only hope the OP has some response to this post.

reply to post by TheLoneArcher


You're saying that God has never sent any Prophet, any messenger, any warner, which is totaly wrong.

God has always used men to transmit to the people a clear message, these men are elected by God because of their transparency (and other qualities), in other words they do not distort God's message to the people.

Do not interpret my words as saying that I perfectly know God, nobody perfectly knows God, we only know a reduced part of God, only some aspects of him, the ones that God wants us to know.

I am merely transmiting a simple message from God:

Your God is a Unique Alive God, obey him alone, do not attribute to him partners or sons or intermediaries, and obey his last perfect Revelation: the Koran.

Muhammad was a true Prophet of God (just like Jesus, Moses, and many others), he was the last Prophet and has brought the last Message of God before the Apocalypse: The Koran, therefore, this book has to be obeyed just because it's 100% true and protected against any distortion. I am only confirming this, nothing more, I have not brough a new religion.

Therefore I cannot agree with both of you, I know that I am saying the Truth from God and I know that I cannot make see the blind ones, my message from God can be heard only by those who have their eyes and ears open, and sadly for you, that's not your case, at least not at this moment.

No matter what you may think that won't change anything to the Truth.

reply to post by TheTruthIsFromGod


My friend, God never sent any prophet. Yes Jesus, Buddah, Mohamed were great thinkers and were philosophers in their own right. They were creations of God. The devil or what ever you care to call it, it the evil in our own hearts. We create evil, nothing else. I believe in divine creation. I see it around me every day. If you want to see God, look at the unconditional love a mother gives to her new born baby.

To create fear through apocolyptic phrophecy is not love. That is not divine, it is creating fear. Fear creates anger and anger creates violence. Fear mongering is an aggresion against those that do not share your beliefs.

My friend, I know that you do not believe in what I do, and I respect that. Let others live in peace and find God their own way.

Peace be with you.

God is love, life, respect and happiness.

Originally posted by TheLoneArcher
reply to post by TheTruthIsFromGod

 

My friend, God never sent any prophet. Yes Jesus, Buddah, Mohamed were great thinkers and were philosophers in their own right. They were creations of God. The devil or what ever you care to call it, it the evil in our own hearts. We create evil, nothing else. I believe in divine creation. I see it around me every day. If you want to see God, look at the unconditional love a mother gives to her new born baby.

To create fear through apocolyptic phrophecy is not love. That is not divine, it is creating fear. Fear creates anger and anger creates violence. Fear mongering is an aggresion against those that do not share your beliefs.

My friend, I know that you do not believe in what I do, and I respect that. Let others live in peace and find God their own way.

Peace be with you.

God is love, life, respect and happiness.

edit on 3/11/2010 by TheLoneArcher because: Additional text

You definitely have your beliefs and I definitely have mines. Let's just wait...meanwhile I would never change my method, what else than perdition is there beyond the Truth of God?

Eyes, ears and mind are closed to reason. These are the signs of a fanatic, trying to reason with a fanatic is futile. Despite what literally everyone in this thread has said the OP won't even take a second to sit back and contemplate or consider the different opinions in this thread.

OP I hope one day you will realize that God isn't someone to be feared and that everything done was out of love. You are judgmental and close minded. I just hope for the sake of everyone around you they are wise enough to ignore your message, because the things you are saying are dangerous.

reply to post by TheTruthIsFromGod

I do not want you to change your method. For me to do so would be trying to enforce my beliefs opon you. That is aggresion. I feel that each person should seek out God in their own private way. I see God in everything. The fact that I can reply to you is down to creation. I celibrate God by living a happy and thoughtful life. Being as kind as I can to others and respecting theit views and beliefs. I do not fear God, I revel in it's creation.

A God that demands obedience once it has given you free will is paradoxil (spelling, sorry). A God that gives you free will and then allows you to learn by making your own mistake and seeking enlightenment through love, respect and understanding, is a God that truly loves its own creation.

My friend, have you ever truly been in love? A love so strong that it hurts when you are absent from that person?
If you have, then you have seen an insight to God's creation.

I honestly hope that you find peace in your beliefs and that, in your own way, you will find God.

reply to post by sonia74


www.abovetopsecret.com...

It was a hoax or thats what they want us to think

1- This story is 100% staged.
2- The media have played their part, the Nasa, the world leaders and SATAN. The club of Satan was 100% present.
3- This story is a psyop for the coming of the Antichrist Raj Patel and the fake UFOs mass landing (Aliens = Demons).
4- This story is a parable of the release of the demons, Gog and Magog, from Darkness to (day)light.

Whether it pleases to you or not, the Truth from God will be exposed.

Man what a thread. I know I poked at you OP, but the truth is I feel sorry for you and I commend you at the same time. I feel sorry for you because it must be difficult to live life thinking as you do. I commend you for bringing your fanaticism to light on a forum where most people will only hear about this type of thinking and not ever see it in action. I too am afraid you are only a suicide vest away from taking up arms to kill the infidels.

Thanks to your thread we will now know extremism when we see it. I pity the people that will come across you in their day to day life, as I highly doubt you ever put a smile on anyone's face. In all honesty I don't believe in God, Devil, Heaven or Hell. One thing I feel certain of though is that if God does exist, he must shake his head in shame when he sees how people have twisted his ideas. Enough of this for me, it is like poison, and I don't want to have it in my life. Good luck to you, please don't kill anyone.

reply to post by TheTruthIsFromGod

Yes, you are 100% right. One day the truth of God will be revealed. Thanks be to God, it will not be the way you portray it. Your version of God is caught in its own paradox.

Simple, live a good life, love and respect your neighbour and the world around you and acknowledge God for what it is.

Originally posted by sputniksteve
Man what a thread. I know I poked at you OP, but the truth is I feel sorry for you and I commend you at the same time. I feel sorry for you because it must be difficult to live life thinking as you do. I commend you for bringing your fanaticism to light on a forum where most people will only hear about this type of thinking and not ever see it in action. I too am afraid you are only a suicide vest away from taking up arms to kill the infidels.

Thanks to your thread we will now know extremism when we see it. I pity the people that will come across you in their day to day life, as I highly doubt you ever put a smile on anyone's face. In all honesty I don't believe in God, Devil, Heaven or Hell. One thing I feel certain of though is that if God does exist, he must shake his head in shame when he sees how people have twisted his ideas. Enough of this for me, it is like poison, and I don't want to have it in my life. Good luck to you, please don't kill anyone.

You're the violent one, you're the one who supports the killing of people like me and you dare inverse the roles. It's my right to have my point of view even if it make you struggle of rage.

The proof is that I've never showed any violence or physical threat towards anyone, the threat I've evoked comes from God and not from the true believers. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO tries to bring discussion on that field. The people like you are the ones who "fights the fire by the fire", who say that "the end justifies the means"...

We, people of God, are peaceful and are aware that our only ennemy is within us and that the human life is sacred and therefore cannot be taken for the reasons that you've evoked.

You'll fall in your own hole, the one that you're digging to me.

I am afraid that your signature contains the very aggresion you are denying. You are stating that the Koran is giving an ultimatum, conform or suffer. They are not the words of a loving God, but of a man who wishes to control the will of others.

However, as I have stated before, I have no desire to change your views. Please, you should adopt the same aproach. Let each person seek God in their own way.

Originally posted by TheLoneArcher
I am afraid that your signature contains the very aggresion you are denying. You are stating that the Koran is giving an ultimatum, conform or suffer. They are not the words of a loving God, but of a man who wishes to control the will of others.

However, as I have stated before, I have no desire to change your views. Please, you should adopt the same aproach. Let each person seek God in their own way.

edit on 4/11/2010 by TheLoneArcher because: Spelling 1 out of 10 see me!!!

I've said that the threat comes from God, NOT FROM ME or another believer:

If tomorrow, God punishes you and that you are struck by lightening, am I guilty of your death?????

That will be exactly what will happen to those who disobey God, God is the only Punisher.

By the way, I am very pleased that you have your own point of view, I have nothing to gain if you believe or unbelieve, it's something which is personal to you.

I know your game the Archer and from now you'll just be ignored, you're not sincere and I don't speak with the non-sincere people.

Oh dear. It would seem that I have finally struck a nerve. This is normally the actions of a person who can no longer debate. I am sorry that you feel the way you do. You seem to be harbouring a great deal of anger.
I sincerely wish there was some way I could help.

Certainly insulting me will not help you feel better.

reply to post by TheTruthIsFromGod


It’s interesting how easy it is to trip over your own words.

You said:

No matter who I am, you're the one who is focusing on my person instead of my message... that's not the right thing to do.

So you’re telling us to ignore you, read and follow the Quran, as you are merely passing on a message from God.

There’s nothing special about you, right? The message is all.

That’s pretty clear, isn’t it?

But later you openly state (my emphasis):

You're saying that God has never sent any Prophet, any messenger, any warner, which is totaly wrong.

God has always used men to transmit to the people a clear message, these men are elected by God because of their transparency (and other qualities), in other words they do not distort God's message to the people.

So there you are saying that God deliberately chooses – sends - elected individuals to pass on his word because they are in some way unique.

And you’ve already told us to ignore you, remember that?

Now, notice the use of the word “warner” in that above quote?

How about these:

I am just a fair warner.

I am a fair warner and I cannot make see the blind ones.

I am a mere warner

My warnings are a mercy from God to you

So, a paradox; either we ignore you – a person chosen directly by God – and burn in hell, or we listen to your message, which is actually God’s, and get saved.

And as you go on further to say:

Do not interpret my words as saying that I perfectly know God

yet you are offering yourself as on of God’s representatives – who, in your own words “do not distort God’s message”. Wouldn’t it make sense for God to use messengers who are fully conversant with its plan, as opposed to a mere lackey carrying a missive the contents of which are a mystery to them?

You’re either a man of God, or an unwitting pawn?

Which is it to be?

I suspect that you are new to Islam, and that it has supplanted a part of your life that was previously filled with a feeling of inadequacy and lack of purpose.

I also suspect that you have been the subject of rejection by religious authorities.

You should be aware that your behaviour exhibits fanatic tendencies.

1- This story is 100% staged.

In your opinion, not Gods. Show us proof, not conjecture.

2- The media have played their part, the Nasa, the world leaders and SATAN. The club of Satan was 100% present.

In your opinion, not Gods. Show us proof, not conjecture.

3- This story is a psyop for the coming of the Antichrist Raj Patel and the fake UFOs mass landing (Aliens = Demons).

Raj Patel is not the anti-christ. That is an internet story. There will be no mass alien landings. That is wishful thinking by the ufology fringe.

You are weaving modern mythology into ancient mythology and creating a hybrid that you hope will give you some credence. Your subconscious went on to confirm this when you said:

I am only confirming this, nothing more, I have not brough a new religion.

4- This story is a parable of the release of the demons, Gog and Magog, from Darkness to (day)light.

In your eyes only. It was a story of real achievement, hope above hope, and faith. All of the miners kept their faith throughout their ordeal.

They thanked God for their rescue. You’re calling them demons.

Originally posted by TheLoneArcher
Oh dear. It would seem that I have finally struck a nerve.

"Mission Accomplished" for you I guess... so now you can leave...

Originally posted by TheLoneArcher
This is normally the actions of a person who can no longer debate. I am sorry that you feel the way you do. You seem to be harbouring a great deal of anger.

If I say "yes", would you leave???

Originally posted by TheLoneArcher
I sincerely wish there was some way I could help.

Certainly insulting me will not help you feel better.

I am really touched by your good intentions.

Thanks again for your help and good bye

Why do you want me to leave? What are you afraid of, the truth or brotherly love? Maybe both.
I have accomplished no mission. However, I have discovered that you are lacking love somewhere. Someone has hurt you deeply. For that, I am sorry my friend. As for me being insincere, I am being as sincere as I possibly could.

If I could help you with your pain and anger, I would be only too happy to.

reply to post by TheLoneArcher


It’s strange how the men God appoints to do its work are as susceptible to the failings of us ordinary folk, isn’t it?

You’d think their conversational skills would, at least, be engaging…

I think you’re absolutely correct in that the author of this thread has anger (and, in my opinion, self esteem) issues.

His own perception of the Quran – an interpretation that promotes fear and obedience – indicates a desensitization towards the plight of his fellow Man.

If he could only take a step back from the white noise of religious arrogance and conspiracy theory, anger hatred and oppression, and see the world for what else it contains – love, wonder, hope, support – then his life would be transformed.

Alas, I doubt if he has the ability to throw off the shackles of Man made ideological control and open his eyes to the immense possibilities the world possesses.

reply to post by Beamish


I agree with you. He is dealing with some serious anger issues. Someone has hurt him and I feel that this is his way of hitting back.
It is far better to spread love than fear.

For you OP. If you want to discuss something or if you need a sholder, U2U me. I really would like to help you.