The Truth about the 33 miners/Copiapo mining accident

I am convinced that it was an Occult ritual, yes.

The symbol? The Lion's Paw of the resurrection of Freemasonry's Master Mason Degree, transmitted globally ie: the hope of resurrection, but from what...?

Whether it pleases to you or not, either it's ATS or any other place, you'll soon get news from God, bad or good, it will depends on you.

reply to post by TheTruthIsFromGod

Just to make myself clear:

I am not a Muslim, I am not a Christian, I am not a Jew, I am not from any -ism, I am not from any organized group, I stand alone with God, he's my only Master and Teacher.

But you will happily read the words of Men who write in God’s name and take them at their word. You do realise that that makes you a follower of Human ideology, don’t you, as there is absolutely no proof of those words coming from God?

And besides, it matters not a jot if you say that you aren’t part of an established “ism”, as the truth is you’ve created your own “ism”, based around Islam. So you’re wrong to say that you’re “independent”.

I am recommanding to the people to create their own relationship with God on the basis of his last Revelation: the Koran.

That you follow the Quran solely makes your belief system an Islamic off-shoot.

Do not adopt any master, scholar, teacher, etc, BUT just God. God will directly inspire you and show you the true path if you pray him sincerly in your head.

And God has shown you a path that led to you believing a story of Human success, positivity and joy was actually a test to decide who lives and who dies when God decides to judge us all?

Are you sure it’s God who’s whispering in your ear?

Give thanks to God on a daily basis for any of his gifts (well guidance health, money, family, material stuff...), obey God by obeying the the commandments of the Koran as far as possible during each second of your life.

If you follow my recommandation, you'll enjoy full safety, full guidance an you'll have a happy and comfortable life and you'll receive an infinite reward in the after life…

Oh what drivel.

Repeat that ill-thought-out rhetoric to the poor, devout Muslims in Indonesia who have had their homes wiped out by tsunamis and volcanoes.

Or the thousands of non-combatant Muslims who have died in Iraq.

Or the gentle, peace-loving Muslims who suffer and die beneath the hands of the bigoted and ignorant.

…if you disobey, you'll have a narrow life full of misery and pain and you'll burn in hell forever.

You are a fear monger of the worst kind. I reject your kind of poisonous, mediaeval rhetoric because it has absolutely no part in the modern world. You should have been born in the 19th century, hopefully in a middle eastern country, where they would have dealt with your skewed views accordingly.

I am not asking you to become a Muslim, as I've said to you the Muslim religion is just sect just like the Christian religion, just like any other organized religion.

Just obey God and the Koran, is it clear enough?

What is patently clear is that your self-appointed belief system – probably born of rejection from an established one – is based solely on the acquisition of power and wielding of fear.

It is also based on hugely illogical expectations.

Answer me this; if what you say is true, and the miner’s story was a test instigated by God to test the faithful, how the hell were those who are totally ignorant of symbolism and the mythology of religion - through no fault of their own – supposed to have figured it out for what it truly was?

The Chilean miner’s story gave us all a little bit of hope.

You’re trying - no, determined - to take that away.

Shame on you for that.

Go preach your spiteful, toxic invectives somewhere else.

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reply to post by TheTruthIsFromGod

Struggle with your rage, meanwhile you'll harm only yourself.

You really have absolutely no come back at all, do you, apart from pseudo-philosophical retorts (which don’t work)?

And considering that you say you are guided by God’s words, that’s kinda surprising.

It is not surprising, however, that you continually ignore relevant questions.

Here’s the same one I asked previously:

Answer me this; if what you say is true, and the miner’s story was a test instigated by God to test the faithful, how the hell were those who are totally ignorant of symbolism and the mythology of religion - through no fault of their own – supposed to have figured it out for what it truly was?

Where are the ATS censors when you need them?


TheTruthIsFromGod has blatantly made threats against members who do not share the same view as them. It would be different if "God" were actively smiting people, but the truth is the only people killed in the name of a "God" have been executed by people with the same tone to their voice as this. They fulfill their self diluted theology by going on a shooting spree or blowing themselves up. It is dangerous speak and should be STRUCK FROM THE FORUMS.

reply to post by PayMeh


I am not threatening anyone here. I am a non violent person. The threat rather comes from God not from me.
You see me as a non human person whereas all I want is your salvation, but no matter what you think, I am not angry at you.

If I were a bad person as you say, I would not do what I am doing. By the way, I have not made up my own mission, that's not my nature, I am merely obeying what God orders me to do. All I am is a servant of God and all I am doing is obeying God and seeking his satisfaction. My mission is a mercy for you. Why do you always seek the bad side?

God is VERY mercyful AND God is VERY harsh in punishment, those who prefer to focus on the 2nd aspect of God are those who don't want to obey God, because God only punish those who disobey and who are unfair and evil.

When God threats you, it's like a shock therapy for you before the Apocalypse. Wake up, that's only for you, not for me, not for God, JUST FOR YOUR OWN GOOD.

I've not created my own religion or "-ism", I am asking you to worship none but God, your God and mine, just like I am myself doing. Take God as your Sole patron, take the Koran as your sole Guidance and Light and be free.

reply to post by TheTruthIsFromGod

Blind, deaf, the cannot see, they cannot hear, they are worst than beasts, that's what you are.

And you are the finest example of a self-appointed, ideological puppet who parrots manipulative dogma and hollow threats and then gets upset when those who have the common sense to see that you are nothing but a charlatan dressed up in righteous garments successfully counter your argument.

I've wasted enough time with you, now I let you struggle with your rage and meanwhile you'll harm only yourself.

What I will endeavor to harm, and quite happily, is the sort of crass, pompous fear-mongering you have posted on this thread. There isn’t a shred of logic or even the merest morsel of evidence to even begin to support your twisted views of the world.

Not one.

And you’re right, I am angry, angry that arrogant evangelists like yourself act as demagogues to those who cannot or will not question your beliefs.

How dare you try and detract from one of the few good news stories we have had recently.

The one consolation I take from this whole debacle is that your imperious claims will have absolutely no effect on the world whatsoever.

Prepare to burn in hell…

Bite me.

…I know you don't believe in it…

No I do not.

…but when you'll see the flames…

I won’t see any, as there’s no such thing as hell.

…you'll change your mind, but it will be too late for you.

No I won’t, as there’s no such thing as hell. And too late for what? There’s no such thing as hell.

Fortunately, the reality has nothing to do with your narrow vision of life.

And what, pray tell, has reality got to do with your claims, or this thread?

I’ll tell you; nothing whatsoever.

And as for “narrow vision of life”; take a look in the mirror. There you’ll see the definition of blinkered.

Take a look in the eyes of the Chilean miners; there you’ll see the definition of hope, love, and life.

Demons like you have no other choice than burning forever, they don't deserve another fate.

You are quite the charmer, aren’t you? and there’s me thinking that Islam taught tolerance and acceptance.

You want to challenge God…

If you’re suggesting that my arguing with you is challenging God, then you are so far from the truth it’s laughable.

…you'll taste God.

Vanilla, or black cherry?

FINAL DOT

Betcha it’s not!

reply to post by PayMeh


TheTruthIsFromGod is technically breaking the T&C’s when he instructs us to follow the Quran:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

15e.) Recruitment/Solicitation:

i) You will not use your membership in the Websites for any type of recruitment to any causes whatsoever.

Even if it is his version of Islam, it’s still solicitation – with threats of damnation if you don’t comply.

reply to post by Beamish


Be smart, when I see white, you see black. I am not even surprised by your reaction, I am not even angry at you. I am not threatening you, I do no wish you anything bad, that's your beahviour that puts you into a great danger, the danger will directly come from God.

This is a parable for you: if you split on the face of a very very powerful guy, what do you expect in return???

You're just behaving that way and I am warning you to not split on this very very powerful guy.

reply to post by CitizenNum287119327

me neither apparently he's associating the devil with clowns,but I didn't pass his test not quite sure what that means I got to tell you though if there is one thing that turned me off of religion it would be that kind of attitude.......................ha ha love your avatar!

reply to post by TheTruthIsFromGod


We are all individual reflections of God consciousness. Are you a punishing, judgmental individual, or a forgiving, loving one? If you want to find God, look within. When Jesus reportedly said, "I am the way," he was likely not referring to himself (the Christ), more likely he was referring to the Adonai or the "I am" presence within each and all of us.

As one poster wisely noted, "I've done my research, and the Universe is not about fear and obedience."

reply to post by TheTruthIsFromGod


Absolute nonsense- go and pedal your 'religious' mumbo jumbo elsewhere- and spare me the 'Gods gonna be angry with you for not passing my test'. If and when the time comes for me to answer to my God, Im sure he wont be asking me what I thought of your video on ATS.

Im with other members who have expressed their lack of support for this type of post, and I too am wondering where the moderators stand on this type of Religious bigotry.

Originally posted by TheTruthIsFromGod
reply to post by PayMeh

 

I am not threatening anyone here. I am a non violent person. The threat rather comes from God not from me.
You see me as a non human person whereas all I want is your salvation, but no matter what you think, I am not angry at you.

If I were a bad person as you say, I would not do what I am doing. By the way, I have not made up my own mission, that's not my nature, I am merely obeying what God orders me to do. All I am is a servant of God and all I am doing is obeying God and seeking his satisfaction. My mission is a mercy for you. Why do you always seek the bad side?

God is VERY mercyful AND God is VERY harsh in punishment, those who prefer to focus on the 2nd aspect of God are those who don't want to obey God, because God only punish those who disobey and who are unfair and evil.

When God threats you, it's like a shock therapy for you before the Apocalypse. Wake up, that's only for you, not for me, not for God, JUST FOR YOUR OWN GOOD.

I've not created my own religion or "-ism", I am asking you to worship none but God, your God and mine, just like I am myself doing. Take God as your Sole patron, take the Koran as your sole Guidance and Light and be free.

So you're creating your own religion (because none of the others are good enough, or are corrupt in their methods, or have a malicious agenda?) and you blindly follow this voice in your head.

After all, that's all I've seen it described as. Where is your proof of this, other than your books that were likely not written by God himself (hey, sounds like you and someone else in the past had a lot of the same thoughts and ideas), and your ramblings of philosophical BS (that I could come up with aaaaaallll day if I had enough time to sit around and spew words for an eye in the sky), where is his mighty malevolence and his gifts to the people who obey, protect his word, give back to Him as he's all that matters.

This seems very dangerous to me, sir. What happens when "God's voice" tells you, "Loyal follower, thank you for threatening and intimidating all those around you with my message. You have done well, you wouldn't BELIEVE all the presents and gifts and salvation I have for you up here!!!! Now there's one last thing, I know I've TOLD you about this whole "apocalypse" thing, but now, YOU'RE starting the apocalypse. Have fun, go crazy, target those who don't follow my word and end them. After all I know you're not violent, but you follow me, and I'm all knowing. I want YOU to stockpile weapons and complete the apocalypse yourself".

I see that little conversation being just as plausible as all these "other messages" you've been receiving. You're a blind follower, and that's the most dangerous. Why should you be an absolute sheep, when this all powerful god has given you intelligence, and the capacity to complete goodwill for homeless, cure AIDS (afterall he could certainly bestow good knowledge upon you, correct?), fight for your beliefs and the correct treatment of all mankind. The more research we do, and the more we know about the World makes it harder for us to punish!!! The all powerful can't have that, I mean it was already low enough we took his golden ticket of malaria, what's next, is science gonna steal his power of AIDS to punish the promiscuous?!?

Nah, this capacity you have, should be spent fear mongering on the internet to the masses. Come off as crazy, rambling, seeing all these obscene figures and OVER THINKING EVERYTHING. That's what the entire situation seems to look like in the end, and I see that out of the majority of religion.

I think there oughta be an admission to the extremist watchlist, blind following with an undertone of aggression and violence don't seem safe to a progressive society in my opinion.

God loves every man woman and child upon the Earth as we are all his children.

God will not condone any person or make threats against man, instead God gives us all free will.

We have a free choice to live the way we see fit, it is upto God to decide if we have earned our place in the afterlife he provides.

To start a thread claiming God will do this or God will do that is false and you are no more than a False prophet if you claim to speak on behalf of God.

When Judgment day comes in what ever form each person will do what they will, the choices we make then will decide on our status in God`s eyes not some stuck togeather video on You Tube.

Its a shame because you had some good valid points to make about how the number 33 appears, but to use God`s name to defend or advertise your work is disrespectful to God and damages your points.

If God has a message for us its either in his teachings from Real Prophets or he/she will tell us themselves.

After watching this video I cannot say that it proves any conspiracy at all.

I do find it interesting that certain numbers keep popping up, but the rest of the video is only an interpretation of what was translated into English. Without more evidence I would have to say that these statements are made by Roman-Catholic miners who used their faith to describe their experience, not subliminal warnings of the coming of Matraya.

The truth, and the significance of this synchronicity is this:

Unity can overcome ALL odds, and ALL evens.

Also, this event wasn't staged by man...fear begets fear, but only up to a certain point.

Can't wait for Thanksgiving....gonna be some jive turkeys, for sure.

reply to post by TheTruthIsFromGod


Well, bravo to you! I actually watched all 15 minutes of the most ludicrous and humorous video of my internet life!

Please answer me this: What are we to do? It seems we just can't win as humans. I am at a complete loss here. When the world comes to together and prays, or hopes, or keeps a situation in their thoughts, or sending positive energy, however the masses pray, it somehow gets twisted into EVIL, the DEVIL, or refers to the ANTICHRIST.

People like Raj Patel (whom I subscribe to, his newsletters are fantastic), who dedicate their lives to change and the betterment of man-kind, are quickly dismissed as the DARK ONE, He who walks behind the ROWS! Raj Patel is trying to show us, that people of the world today should not be starving....oh your right...so evillllllll.

It is a viscous circle, a no win situation. Have you ever really looked at the adverse effects of religion? Let me explain it to you.

There are really only a few lines from the bible that have turned this world upside down. Only a few lines which hold us prisoner. Now, they are not exact quotes, because I'm to lazy to look for my bible right now,but you will know what I am talking about.

"Beware the wolf in sheep's clothing"
"There will be many who claim to be me, but they are false prophets"

These two quotes have virtually separated us, and left the latter completely INSANE! NO ONE is allowed to be a humanitarian! NO ONE with a huge platform is allowed to be a humanist!! They do good, help, their generosity is almost legend, BUT They MUST BE THE ANTICHRIST!

When a president who is peaceful comes along, and tries to please everyone, stop racism, stop all forms of discrimination, bring soldiers home .... well, according to the bible he is the ANTICHRIST. If there is no wars, or famine, or hardship happening in the world...then the DEVIL must be here. For if it truly is GOD who is around us, we are constantly being tested, and we turn on each other.....yeap, makes complete sense.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That message is a little better me thinks. My gosh, if these far right religious groups, or every Christian for that matter spent their time being HUMANITARIANS, fighting for the common people; instead of going to African nations and telling them not to wear condoms, or hang gay people; I mean really!! If they did what they are suppose to really do....world hunger would have been eradicated by now. Instead they spend all their time making SH*# up, and spreading hatred.

reply to post by sonia74


It's a test: is humanity elite enough to overcome itself and venture to the stars? Or will we go the way of the dinosaurs?

I think this guy needs a medical prescription or two for this voice in his head.