Is Abovetopsecret a disinfo site?

reply to post by Shades1035


I must agree with you that it is very likely that ATS has many professional dis-info agents that spend their workday attemping to "squash"alternative thought.
Many of these dis-info agents post under several "handles" which makes it appear that the opinion that they are proposing is wide spread. DON'T be FOOLED by this TACTIC.

The easiest way to spot the professional dis-info agent is they are the ones that will post over and over again all day long, and never add anything new to the discussion. Normal ATS member will give their input on the subject and then post no more , because they actually have a life and have other intrest that require their attention. No normal person would spend hour upon hour saying the same old thing on the internet. We just must accept this fact as being part of the internet and IGNORE these drones of TPTB.

Look..I'd be happy for the following to happen to this part of the forum.... Anything claiming disclosure or talking about prophecies from the Stars as a subject for a thread should by moved to a sub forum..

I don't know, I wonder some times. They won't allow "hoaxes" or will label things "hoaxes" when it comes to UFO's, but when the No Plane thing on 9/11 is clearly debunked they don't extend the same courtesy. Just browse through the 9/11 site and you see countless threads on No Planes, or Sept Clues and those are very active threads, yet something like Sept Clues has been clearly "debunked".. Something is amiss in my mind.

There typically has to be some pretty explicit proof something is a hoax (like an admission or claim by the hoaxer, someone finding a book that has an illustration matching a supposed "photo", etc.) before it is labelled and moved to that area. And I'm sure there are still some threads out there that could be moved to it, that have the evidence, but haven't been moved. (we're human, we won't catch it all)... Hoaxes generally aren't labelled as such lightly. 911 topics are still heated discussions, and far from "debunked" on just about any side of it...(unless someone admits to a hoaxed video, etc.)

I must agree with you that it is very likely that ATS has many professional dis-info agents that spend their workday attemping to "squash"alternative thought.
Many of these dis-info agents post under several "handles" which makes it appear that the opinion that they are proposing is wide spread. DON'T be FOOLED by this TACTIC.

I can tell you, after years of being on this side of the curtain, I can't think of any staff members that would apply to. We're volunteers, because we've loved what this site is about over the years. I'm sure you can find many posts by just about any mod, that would certainly be "alternative thought" and promoting more of it.

I also doubt any members are paid to do so.

I can tell you that from an Intelligence standpoint, they already work with very limited resources, and there would be little to gain from having a professional disinfo agent posting on such sites. The purpose of disinfo is to mislead enemy (and sometimes even allied) intelligence agencies NOT enemy citizens. To attempt to do so by posting on ATS or similar sites would not be a productive use of an intelligence asset.

You know you're overly paranoid when. . . .

You think people applying Logic and Reason to pictures, videos and stories that more than likely have a real world explanation are "disinfo" agents sent to shatter your tiny little world.

Heard of Occam's Razor much? As much as believers in ET life like myself would love to believe each and every UFO story, no matter how unreal it is, life is much harder than that. Also, let's face it, there are just some crazy loonies in our field. Reptilian aliens controlling the world from a hidden planet that will crash into us in a few years ( even though Nasa has never been able to find evidence of such a large planetary body )/from below the earth and shapeshift into world leaders? No, just... Just no.

We will never be taken seriously by mainstream scientists ( who want, if not more than us, for their to be ET life visiting Earth. If there is ET life visiting us, that means that their fields will get immense help if we can make peaceful contact ) if we cater to each and every story that comes into our field.

No disinfo here, just good ole Reasoning!

Originally posted by brokedown
reply to post by Shades1035

 

I must agree with you that it is very likely that ATS has many professional dis-info agents that spend their workday attemping to "squash"alternative thought.
Many of these dis-info agents post under several "handles" which makes it appear that the opinion that they are proposing is wide spread. DON'T be FOOLED by this TACTIC.

The easiest way to spot the professional dis-info agent is they are the ones that will post over and over again all day long, and never add anything new to the discussion. Normal ATS member will give their input on the subject and then post no more , because they actually have a life and have other intrest that require their attention. No normal person would spend hour upon hour saying the same old thing on the internet. We just must accept this fact as being part of the internet and IGNORE these drones of TPTB.

look, i dont disagree that there are disinfo agents on the site, but i dont think its as extreme as you say it is. theres a lot of people on the internet who dont have a life and get obsessed about $h*t. this guy is a good example:

www.youtube.com...

If there are two topics on this site which absolutely require no clandestine, official, organized effort to disrupt and deflect, it's the UFO topic and 9-11. We do a perfectly fine job of that collectively, all by ourselves. There's an old phrase which comes to mind, Carrying coals to Newcastle.

Sure it is in some ways.

It’s evident in the fact that we cannot discuss a lot of really relevant issues here particularly how our drug laws are flawed. The prohibition of Marijuana puts billions in the hands of crooks, murders and organized crime each year. Puts our brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers in jeopardy of losing their freedom. Access to the drug is at an all time high. This is evident in the fact that street prices are at all time lows. We all just suppose that the corruption it brings just magically stops at the border somehow. Many say it’s for the children, but I would much rather my child experiment with a legal substance controlled like alcohol in place of getting it from the same guy that sells crack and other hard drugs. How is the prohibition right at all? Why can we not openly discuss this here? A very credible estimate says that at least 1 in 10 Americans is a regualar user, and almost all have tried it yet any talk of legalizing the substance is taboo. WTF?

reply to post by DoomsdayRex


If you consider those some of the better threads around here then I think we have found the main problem Rex. Do you honestly consider any of those worthy of further investigative efforts and discussion? I mean no disrespect to the topic authors but where is the *official* documentation to validate these events took place? Those types of events are easy to dismiss as they lack the main elements that make up a good case. You're going after what amounts to *poop* to put it bluntly.

We need more debunkers. The more debunkers we have, the more disinfo agents etc, the more it challenges our thoughts, and the more knowledge we gain from discussions and debates.

This site is a place to build knowledge. And i hope the ATS people here are proud to have very intelliget guys from both sides of the story, so we can learn more and discuss things that really matter, that is the process of learning in its most beneficial state.

I always thought the reason people posted "mysterious" stuff here was because they really wanted to know what it was. I have a lot of respect for the critical thinking and logic I've seen expressed on ATS.

And no, I'm not an "agent" of Disinformation, although I do frequent their site.

It’s evident in the fact that we cannot discuss a lot of really relevant issues here particularly how our drug laws are flawed.

The drug topic is a site policy, not from some type of ATS agenda, but because such threads typically spiral into discussions of an illegal nature that then carry certain liability issues. I'm personally all for the legalization of marijuana, as it would bring in tax revenue, cut down on drug-related crimes, and many other positive benefits.

Should point out that there's a BIG difference between these terms, Skeptic, Debunker, and DisInfo Agent

Skeptic - someone who has an open mind, but looks to rule out mundane explanations for the phenomenon, before jumping to it being a vehicle of alien origin.

Debunker - someone who only looks at and uses evidence that supports their pre-formed conclusion it is not of alien origin, and ignores any evidence that supports the alternate conclusion (often to the point of stating because it COULD be this, it is FACT)

DisInfo Agent - someone who KNOWINGLY posts FALSE information in order to persuade others into believing their viewpoint based on this false information.

These are BIG differences folks.

The big "thing" with this site is objectivity.

Look at the thread regarding the "alien" in the game camera photo which had everyone going yesterday.

I really thought 100% bang on, no questions asked, nailed to the wall, genuine ALIEN! in the bushes.

Then someone comes along and announces "blue jay" flying at the camera and bang, no more alien.

That is where this site is different from other UFO sites. Loathe it or hate it (you ain't gonna like it), you are going to get your bubble burst everytime until someone actually comes up with the bona fides.

Basically, if you have some UFO "evidence" it needs to be ATS-proof and that's what this site is all about.

So your basing the fact on whether or not the site is a "disinfo" site on a single forum? What about the forums where believers outnumber skeptics such as the 9/11 forum? Do you have any actual proof of this being a disinfo site? Because this isn't the first times claims like yours have been made. After all, this site is pretty popular, so it's bound to attract more of the lunatic fringe of conspiracy theorists than other sites.

Originally posted by Shades1035
When someones posts a UFO story sceptics jump on it and debunk it with skilled what appears to be prepared tactics. The debunkers outnumbers the average users 10 to 1.

I have checked a few other UFO forums and it's certainly not the same situation there, in fact it's the opposite.

And that makes sense, since if you are a member of a UFO / conspiracy site you're inclined to believe at least some of the stuff that is put out there, but here it is often the opposite. Why?

Apologies if this has been said already as I don't have the time to sift through 5+ pages of this thread.

I always think of the idea of ATS being influenced by certain 'people'.. swaying opinions and such.
But a few days ago one of the mods posted this:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

In regards to the ufo/aliens forum.. "If the topic your fellow member posted about is not something you agree with, you find horrid, or absolutely HATE, that's fine. Share your opinion in a CIVIL, NON RIDICULING, POLITE way and direct your statements to the TOPIC not your fellow ATSer."

If they were trying to sway your opinion in any way, they wouldn't have posted that. The way that post was layed out gave the message that "let people think their minds, don't shut them down for their beliefs". That alone shows that ATS is open for any discussion.

You're always going to have one or more people in the thread ALWAYS on the extreme opposite side of your discussion and rude about it because they think they're right (Phage). But the fact that the mods have started taking a stand against it...tells a lot.

reply to post by Shades1035


It's really annoying isn't it. But it's not a disinfo site - although there is a lot of disinfo on here. It's just littered with government employees who are paid to "debunk" things (I hate that word). You'll find lots of them on this thread spreading more disinfo or trying to convince you that you're paranoid or something.

Dan

reply to post by Gazrok


Couldn’t those threads be moderated just like any other? The site owner does not want to anger advertisers or has personal reasons not to allow this. Conversations about drug use and conversations about drug law reform are two different things, but not in the eyes of abovetopsecret. It begs at the question of what else may be censored here.

Would it be possible to have a thread that discussed the pro's and con's of Marijuana prohibition? I already know the answer and it is no. Given how the MSM does look to ATS, such a thread could be really constructive, and open dialog should be allowed.

It is disinfo in that the lack of such discussion here and elsewhere suggests that it is a non issue, while in actuality it is one of the most critical of our time.

Is it the advertisers who motivate this blackout? If I dumped a few thousand at ATS per month would it be allowed? Because I would you know!

reply to post by Donkey_Dean


Previously, the drug topic was only to be discussed in RATS, as it is not visible to search engines, etc. However, with that, nearly every thread there was then about drug use. Due to this, site administration simply did away with posting on the topic. If you really want to bring it up, I'd recommend creating a post in the Board Business & Questions forum, so admin could address it. But currently, it's one of the Terms & Conditions...

16e.) Illicit Activity: Discussion of illicit activities, specifically the use of mind-altering drugs & substances, engaging in computer hacking, promoting criminal hate, discussing sexual relations with minors, and furtherance of financial schemes and scams are strictly forbidden. You will also not link to sites or online content that contains discussion or advocacy of such material. Any Post mentioning or advocating personal use of illicit mind-altering drugs will result in immediate account termination.

i) Narcotics and illicit mind-altering substances: Due to abuse of the subject matter by some (promoting various aspects of personal use, and discussing actual personal use), no new topics on this subject are allowed in any form.

Is ATS a disinfo site?

Of course not.

But then I would say that wouldn't I?

Not sure if this is a disinfo site or not.

I would like to say - I will EAGERLY embrace being PAID OFF by TPTB.

I have extensive education in the sciences, I also have type O- blood which I guess makes me some sort of "Blue Blood" or "Reptilian" or something.

In any case, I'm one of those people who 'go against the grain' - so I should probably be SHUT UP and I will gladly do this for the mere sum of 20 million US. Possibly less - let's negotiate!

TPTB/Gov - if you're on here and you'd like to see less of people like me - LET'S TALK!

I can be bought off fairly cheap!

HOLLA!

reply to post by Whiffer Nippets


Didn't you hear Whiffer? If you have Type O blood, you're not only a Reptilian Overlord serving the Annunaki as they come back to Earth, but you know the bomb codes to send huge bombs of MSG flavored genetically modified chicken and fluoride water down on us all!

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!