Is Abovetopsecret a disinfo site?

When someones posts a UFO story sceptics jump on it and debunk it with skilled what appears to be prepared tactics. The debunkers outnumbers the average users 10 to 1.

I have checked a few other UFO forums and it's certainly not the same situation there, in fact it's the opposite.

And that makes sense, since if you are a member of a UFO / conspiracy site you're inclined to believe at least some of the stuff that is put out there, but here it is often the opposite. Why?

reply to post by Shades1035


Actually "disinfo" would be posting false information and presenting it as real in an effort to discredit any given movement by virtue of polluting the evidence pool with garbage content.

Debunking is the opposite of that. It's applying rational thought to avoid disinfo infiltrating the site.

And as for other sites not having analytical minds... Well...

~Heff

No its not, its a conspiracy site.

With respect, the reason the UFO subjects get jumped on so quick lately is because people are mostly posting obvious crap. Balloons and lanterns seem to be the norm.....and it doesn't need any prepared attack to debunk those.

CX.

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And that makes sense, since if you are a member of a UFO / conspiracy site you're inclined to believe at least some of the stuff that is put out there, but here it is often the opposite. Why?

You've answered your own question - because most claims of "proof" are false and most claims of "evidence" have multiple explanations...

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The debunkers outnumbers the average users 10 to 1.

That's just nonsense. If that were true, I wouldn't have been hired by the CIA to post here and suppress the truth.

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If I had what I believed was some tantalising piece of evidence relating to U.F.O`s etc.. I would welcome the attention of `debunkers`. Put it through the ringer and if it survives all attempts to debunk it ... well then, you have something worth investing a little more time on.

Debunkers are like wolves , chasing down lame ideas ...... ultimately- its for the good of the field of U.F.O inquiry etc.

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Of course it is, You only have to do a nice little search on Google: Signs Of The Times (SOTT) + ATS

Read all about it there, they use tactics to disinform, ridicule, etc.

I'm surprised people with the supposed knowledge to see through the lies can miss this fact.

Don't worry though, I am sure a lot of them are probably going to storm into this thread with those same tactics. Watch and see. Or, they will just move this to BTS, or another section with less activity

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you would be suprised at the amount of "skeptics" that frequent these types of sites, they make it thier mission in life to try and debunk anything ufo related.

arrogance plays a huge part in thier thought process as well, they feel that because they dont believe that others shouldnt either, and try to get others to conform to thier way of thinking.

you also get borderline skeptics, these are the ones that dont believe now..but deep down want to so they scour these sights for irrifeutable ufo evidence to make them believe.

then you have the trolls and debunkers, that just try to debunk every conspiracy theory going because according to them ...everything is fine

Sometimes, we hide things in plain sight. The debunkers provide a very valuable service. . .they expand our minds. We've learned to not necessarily take everything at face value. My personal experience is the something I thought could not be possibly debunked ultimately was. What it boils down to is that, while there are those that "attack" a video or picture and try to debunk it, our personal belief is what really matters.

I've seen some great examples of what I thought we clearly UFOs, but when it's shown that it could be something else, we must consider it. The reason for so much defense regarding some of the UFO pics is that way too many people have come here solely to post things they know are "fake', just to get a rise out of believers. There is no doubt that the sole purpose of some here is to discredit or debunk something, even if it's the real deal.

We absolutely have to look at all the facts and eliminate the possibilities what something could be besides what it's purported to be. If it can be easily replicated is another factor. Believers in UFOs have been called loonies by MSM for so long, that we can't just sit back and say "there's proof" when it's a hubcap from a 72 Maverick. We try to debunk it, and sometimes, that leads to discovering it just may be real.

To find truth, you have to know what is a lie.

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This is not a recent developement. Every topic discussed on ATS is immediately debunked by the usual suspects on this site. It's been happening for all of the good five years I've been visiting it. It's cost this place members(anyone remember when John Lear was on here everyday? Just to name one of the more recognizable names). We used to get some excellent, well presented threads just about everyday about all subjects, but UFOs in particular. Now, alot of those memers have moved on, and who could blame them? It absolutely ALWAYS turns into a "Let's see who can debunk it first" situation. Everytime. Nothing ever gets accomplished here because no one can ever agree on what the facts are no matter how apparent they seem. There has been a tragic brain drain on this site. All the best posters are gone or silent.

It used to be different. But commercialism will always have it's effect.

Originally posted by Shades1035
When someones posts a UFO story sceptics jump on it and debunk it with skilled what appears to be prepared tactics. The debunkers outnumbers the average users 10 to 1.

I have checked a few other UFO forums and it's certainly not the same situation there, in fact it's the opposite.

And that makes sense, since if you are a member of a UFO / conspiracy site you're inclined to believe at least some of the stuff that is put out there, but here it is often the opposite. Why?

The term debunkers has always confused me,surely they are just people searching for the truth?how does that make ATS a disinfo site?and remember they are only opinions,you can take them or leave them.For me i find the "debunkers" are an integral part of this community.Were you see debunker i see intelligent and mostly critical thinking.

Edit~just thought id add that "debunkers" and trolls are different,well for me.

Regards to all

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You have made a good point. I think part of the answer lies in the fact that ATS caters for so many topics. Many have joined for reasons other than UFOs and yet visit the this forum very often and apply such reasoning that would be more appropriate in political and conspiracy discussions.

I personally prefer to visit other sites that just focus on UFOs and unexplained phenomenon. There you never get the two camps (Skeptics against believers). In fact all are believers and keen to see new material. They make their own decisions as to what is genuine and what is not.

I think that for a UFO site to be effective, you would need to disable comments. The website owner would be the arbiter of what is published and what is not. Then leave his/her own comments. People would vist and draw information from the site and make their own conclusions.

I do sometimes get the feeling that the typical UFO enthusiast does get patronised and treated like a child that needs to be educated .

Originally posted by Hefficide
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Actually "disinfo" would be posting false information and presenting it as real in an effort to discredit any given movement by virtue of polluting the evidence pool with garbage content.

Debunking is the opposite of that. It's applying rational thought to avoid disinfo infiltrating the site.

And as for other sites not having analytical minds... Well...

~Heff

High fives Hefficide.

ATS presents both sides of the coin, you choose the truth you want to believe at the end of the day.

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ATS features your posts, your thoughts, your theories. Are your thoughts disinfo?

Whatever you post, thats what ATS is.

Take your time to search for threads explaining how the true skeptics (the ones that work for the truth basically) and the pseudo-skeptics work.

It is fairly easy to see who is whom once you take your time to see it.

I wellcome skeptics from the bottom of my heart.

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Please, look at this link and give me your opinion about this video. I think you will like:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by crowdedskies


I think that for a UFO site to be effective, you would need to disable comments. The website owner would be the arbitrary of what is published and what is not. Then leave his/her own comments. People would vist and draw information from the site and make their own conclusions.

I do sometimes get the feeling that the typical UFO enthusiast does get patronised and treated like a child that needs to be educated .

What exactly do you regard as "effective" ?


With the comments disabled on your "effective" U.F.O site .....could that be construed as patronising/ treating the U.F.O enthusiasts as children incapable of civil discourse.

Originally posted by Shades1035
When someones posts a UFO story sceptics jump on it and debunk it with skilled what appears to be prepared tactics. The debunkers outnumbers the average users 10 to 1.

I have checked a few other UFO forums and it's certainly not the same situation there, in fact it's the opposite.

And that makes sense, since if you are a member of a UFO / conspiracy site you're inclined to believe at least some of the stuff that is put out there, but here it is often the opposite. Why?

You have to bear in mind also that there is a bias in favour of logic and reason here. This is why most UFO witnesses have a hard time.

Yet, given that we understand probably only 1% of the universe in which we live in, it is quite amusing that skeptics sometimes throw the scientific book at us. We are expected to drop any concept associated with the unknown and only take on board what is proven...and this is done under the "deny ignorance" motto.

Serious UFO discussions only take place among small groups of people of like minds.

Originally posted by UmbraSumus

Originally posted by crowdedskies


I think that for a UFO site to be effective, you would need to disable comments. The website owner would be the arbitrary of what is published and what is not. Then leave his/her own comments. People would vist and draw information from the site and make their own conclusions.

I do sometimes get the feeling that the typical UFO enthusiast does get patronised and treated like a child that needs to be educated .

What exactly do you regard as "effective" ?


With the comments disabled on your "effective" U.F.O site .....could that be construed as patronising/ treating the U.F.O enthusiasts as children incapable of civil discourse.

No. It would become merely a factual site. The fact would be the footage that has been posted . The conclusion would be entirely the reader's. It is effective in that it gets you to do your research.

As you should have realised nobody ever agrees with other people views on ATS. What is the point of civil discussion if there is never agreement .

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Yes.

I for one am a government agent.

I've come to pollute the world of UFOlogy with logic, reason and healthy skepticism... everyone knows that promoting skepticism, in favor of blind gullibility and pseudoscience, is actually a disinformation tactic designed to discredit the idea that aliens are here.

In truth aliens are here, in fact one is standing behind me right now reading my thoughts... but I don't mind, I welcome our alien overlords.