Is Abovetopsecret a disinfo site?

disinfo means people who come and ridicule and try to debunk our real findings. thats what it means for the people.and its true,they come in every topic and immedietly debunk it, chinese lanterns,flash of gas,this is all $#^@$^#.
and the most stupid thing is why and what are they trying for?
its just some muddy cam video of a light in the sky... do they even need to hide that?
people cant proove that light is an ufo,its too bad quality.
so why would they jump on such videos if we dont even care for ufos anymore.
we know its either aliens or human secret craft.
they probably just want to ridicule us and make us sheeple again,buying fluoride bottled water and not carying.
&#$&$ you disinfo agents ^^

So, we hope this answers your question.

If indeed it was a question.... Oo

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Disinfo cia provocateur agent 00532345.

"Is Abovetopsecret a disinfo site?" Given some of the wild claims and poorly formulated arguments on ATS, I would have to say yes. I tactic of drowning good post in a sea of dross is an easily winnable strategy.

If it wasnt for the debunkers, instead of ATS, we'd be visiting wonderland.

You prefer someone who is lying to you or someone who has made you see the lie?

This is an interesting discussion. I have some very strong opinions about skeptics, but also about the pics that are put out.

1. If it could be determined that a flock of balloons was released because there was a big festival occurring at the time of a flurry of pics and sitings, that might make sense. Other wise, this entire fixation on balloons is ludicrous. We don't see them here. I've never seen balloons floating around yet. Of course we don't live in a big city.

Basically, if an object is captured to begin with, one could go down a list of 10 possibilities, aside from the UFO one, but they're just possiblities. And theres no possibility depending on what the person filmed, how it responded ETC. If the person just snapped a pic of anything randomly and submitted it, maybe it is one of the debunkers possibilities. But ......

2. People often have experiences with the ufos, and its what they experienced that matters, not the fuzzy picture. The picture is just a secondary, extra. When you see a craft, and it responds to you, appears to you, for some contacts them, they are connected to the experience and siting, its different. Many don't know they may be getting missing time at that moment, and if that kind of siting has occurred, they are experiencing more than sitings.

So overall, I tend to ignore videos and pics, for what I don't know about the situation, is what is going on at the time, the details of the siting are more important than most of the pics taken, and they're the part you cant photograph.

There are obvious ones that can be debunked immediately, but its more in the experience of the siting that shows what it is to me.

Because many videos dont go into what happened or any connection, I usually ignore them.

Other forums and comparable sites dont have this kind of problem and to me that is a problem. The reason we are labeled "tin-foil hat crazies" is because the majority of individuals in this group tend to believe in something so much, that they put all logic to the side to make it a reality.

Keep doing what you are doing, because as a result of my membership here, I can actually have conversations around others, about fringe topics and they actually take me somewhat seriously. This is because the ATS community has taught me to question, look at all sides/possibilities and most of all, to present my interests/ideas to others with solid evidence/facts.

I salute you all. Thank you.

reply to post by NWOnoworldorder

you would be suprised at the amount of "skeptics" that frequent these types of sites, they make it thier mission in life to try and debunk anything ufo related. arrogance plays a huge part in thier thought process as well, they feel that because they dont believe that others shouldnt either, and try to get others to conform to thier way of thinking. you also get borderline skeptics, these are the ones that dont believe now..but deep down want to so they scour these sights for irrifeutable ufo evidence to make them believe. then you have the trolls and debunkers, that just try to debunk every conspiracy theory going because according to them ...everything is fine

Well.. you said all that have to be said, thanks, star for you

Originally posted by Shades1035
When someones posts a UFO story sceptics jump on it and debunk it with skilled what appears to be prepared tactics. The debunkers outnumbers the average users 10 to 1.

I have checked a few other UFO forums and it's certainly not the same situation there, in fact it's the opposite.

And that makes sense, since if you are a member of a UFO / conspiracy site you're inclined to believe at least some of the stuff that is put out there, but here it is often the opposite. Why?

Deny ignorance, the sites motto. There's your answer.

On a completely unrelated note; why does it not say so in the logo anymore? =/

Thank God for the debunkers! They help balance these forums out.

Actually we should all try to debunk any claims made here so we can let the crap settle to the bottom. Debunking is fine, as long as it's done in a civilized ,unbiased manner using evidence.

The problem is when debunking is used to try to discredit a post and not disprove it. Those are the ones I watch closely since [cliche]you usually take more flak when you're over your target[/cliche']. Typically the debunker comes in not to debunk, but belittle everyone in the thread not subscribing to their belief. This isn't science, it's fanatacism.

Pseudodebunkers usually don't contribute anything new to the thread. They simply cut and paste the same evidence they routinely trot-out to make the OP look foolish and kill the thread as quickly as possible. This also serves to intimidate other people from joining in for fear of looking foolish.

This is a very successful tactic to deflect interest in the topic and get the pseudodebunker the attention they're addicted to. If you need proof just vist ANY Chemtrail thread.

So is ATS a disinfo site? IMO no, but there are career pseudodebunkers and spooks of various flavours that troll these boards.

I hate to say it but I have wondered along the same lines myself. Not disinfo, but who's pocket is ATS in? Over the course of the time I've been here I've seen the site transform and change and suddenly start acting very much like a news network (Some of the major networks even occasionally seem to get stories from here). When District 9 was released, ATS actually did polls on the movie. For Sony, if I remember right. It has.. two? webcast/shows now (for a time you couldn't even ignore them, they played automatically) - and does specials. Above that, ATS has constantly been advertising whatever new alien-related or fantasy show is coming out. So where does ATS get it's funding?

Originally posted by LittleDragon
So where does ATS get it's funding?

Just a guess, mind you, but I'd say advertising(?).

Just because someone believes there is enough evidence to suggest we are being visited by beings from other worlds, it does NOT mean the person cannot apply critical thinking in an attempt to weed out extraordinary cases from misidentifications and outright hoaxes.

I'm what some would call "a believer", but that doesn't mean I accept every claim that comes along. Most researchers are aware that a far higher percentage of sightings, etc. are due to misidentifications and hoaxes than so-called "genuine" cases. We must first rule out any good chance of a mundane explanation before leaping to the fantastic.

I don't know, I wonder some times. They won't allow "hoaxes" or will label things "hoaxes" when it comes to UFO's, but when the No Plane thing on 9/11 is clearly debunked they don't extend the same courtesy. Just browse through the 9/11 site and you see countless threads on No Planes, or Sept Clues and those are very active threads, yet something like Sept Clues has been clearly "debunked".. Something is amiss in my mind.

Yet on the 9/11 side of the site it seems anything can be said even when what is said is proven most obviously false.

Things like that make me seriously wonder. A few years ago I would have said "No" ... to the OP, now I just answer.....I don't know and am not sure....

I dont care what anyone says..it will always be chinese lanterns, balloons, lens flare, helicopters, airplanes, sky divers with flares, military flares on parachutes, satelites, venus, meteors, rocket rentrys spinning out of control, and swamp gas.

Sorry,,,i couldn't resist.

well.......

i believe in ufos, but heres the thing: the ufo portion of the site seems to have a history of so many people who have posted hoaxes, and prophecies that havent come true. for instance, this whole "disclosure" and project bluebeam thing. it sounds odd, but yes i wish it would happen as they predict only because it would bring me one of the answers ive been looking for in life. (the TRUE disclosure of ufos). but do i think it will happen? based on the history of the countless prophecies and (personally) debunked sightings, i dont think it will. thats not to say though that there arent a good amount of sightings on this site i could never explain which i believe to be true accounts.

I think that ATS is the site were the real truth can be found.. We are talking here about subjects wich don't appear in the mainstream media, and that is good.

We are waking up other people, we show them that reality is not alway's what they thought it to be.... and that is good.

Afcourse, sometimes there are people who troll on ATS, but you have to 'filter' those threads with the ones who really are important.

In the end, it is your reality wich is important, and not the one from somebody else...because it's your reality, your thoughts, your life....

Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
Absolutely, I look forward to hearing your thoughts in some of the better threads on this forum, some of the events in history that have the best of us stumped.

You mean threads like Baalbek? My, you're right. I never participate in those threads.

Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
There's no need to try and deflect from the fact that you are a no show in the harder more difficult threads Rexy.

Gosh, I suppose your appeal-to-silence is right. I do never, ever participate in such threads.

But we know where this is going right? And we don't want a pissing match, right? We want to discuss facts, not engage in pissing matches and scapegoating, right?

Originally posted by The Sword
You mean the little minds that resort to berating people who join the site to post about things they've seen in the sky?

Offering a prosaic explanation is not the same as "berating". You seem to have confused the two.

Originally posted by Stillalive
disinfo means people who come and ridicule and try to debunk our real findings.

So offering a prosaic, or otherwise alternative, explanation is disinformation?

Originally posted by Stillalive
thats what it means for the people.and its true,they come in every topic and immedietly debunk it, chinese lanterns,flash of gas,this is all $#^@$^

Not only are you engaging in a straw-man, attacking people that exist only in the minds of persecution-complex-suffering believers, but are you also denying that Chinese lanterns (and other prosaic explanations) are not sometimes misidentified?

Originally posted by Gazrok
Just because someone believes there is enough evidence to suggest we are being visited by beings from other worlds, it does NOT mean the person cannot apply critical thinking in an attempt to weed out extraordinary cases from misidentifications and outright hoaxes.

I don't think anyone has a problem with that, or even who is being referred to when "all-believing-believers" are mentions (well, except for those who see disinfo-agents everywhere) I don't think we should even call such people "believers"; I'd prefer fundamentalists. And I think skeptics and critical-thinking believers have much more in common than the cynics or fundamentalists that superficially agree with them.

Originally posted by Gazrok
Most researchers are aware that a far higher percentage of sightings, etc. are due to misidentifications and hoaxes than so-called "genuine" cases. We must first rule out any good chance of a mundane explanation before leaping to the fantastic.

Apparently to some people, that is "berating" the witness/believer and "disinfo".