ANOTHER POSSIBLE way of deciphering the message from Cassini/Saturn 2004?

ok, AV people, maybe this might help in this puzzle.



The Earth-Tone & The Orange Robe of the Sannyasi

Shivepremananda (Belgium)

"Everything in Nature and in the universe is vibrating, all living creatures and "solid" matter as well. This vibration can be measured, calculated and expressed in Hertz, the standard unit for vibration, such as sound vibration."

from this link,

www.yogamag.net...

now this article might give someone insight in how to add color?

hell, why not? if it is a message in pics through sound, it could be in color, too.

errr..larger minds will have to work this out, if possible.

ok - just a thought.
What would happen if you take the original elongated image (since it's symmetrical) and apply another mirrored image to the side? then run that through the spectrometer ??
Or take the image and flip it so its horizontal

reply to post by jessejamesxx

Still an interesting thread, and I'd love to see more come out of it.. but for now I'm convinced that it's the software (or anti-aliasing as ricky suggested). Nasa's spectrograms are way more advanced than our freeware ones & the image most likely displayed all of the information available in the sound. I'm not an expert on the subject, but I don't see how you can find missing frequencies by altering the sound or raising the pitch. Would I be wrong to assume that maybe the recording instrument used could be limited to a set range of frequencies, or that only a set amount were sent back to Nasa?

If anything, there could be something to the evenly spaced out lines, and the 'beats' that Audacity found. But that could be another recording in space or file anomaly. Don't give up yet, would love to see a definitive answer.

This is from the NASA website. "Saturn is a source of intense radio emissions, which have been monitored by the Cassini spacecraft. The radio waves are closely related to the auroras near the poles of the planet. These auroras are similar to Earth's northern and southern lights.

The Cassini spacecraft began detecting these radio emissions in April 2002, when Cassini was 374 million kilometers (234 million miles) from the planet, using the Cassini radio and plasma wave science instrument. The radio and plasma wave instrument has now provided the first high resolution observations of these emissions, showing an amazing array of variations in frequency and time. The complex radio spectrum with rising and falling tones, is very similar to Earth's auroral radio emissions. These structures indicate that there are numerous small radio sources moving along magnetic field lines threading the auroral region.

This is from Wikipedia. "Like Jupiter's magnetic field, Saturn's is created by a fluid dynamo within a layer of circulating metallic hydrogen in its outer core. Like Earth's, Saturn's magnetic field is mostly a dipole, with north and south poles at the ends of a single magnetic axis. On Saturn, like on Jupiter, the north magnetic pole is located in the northern hemisphere, and the south magnetic pole lies in the southern hemisphere, which is the opposite to the Earth, where the north magnetic pole lies in the southern hemisphere. Saturn's magnetic field also has quadrupole, octupole and higher components, thought they are much weaker than the dipole.

I find it odd that after 12 pages no one is mentioning the fact that planetary bodies with a magnetic field emit radio waves. It's a natural fact, and no matter what you do to the signal, or how you analyse it, won't change the fact that the signal is is caused by the planet itself. If someone wants to see images in a radio signal that's been converted to a visual image, then they should know what a Rorschach test is.

This too from Wikipedia. "The Rorschach test, also known as the Rorschach inkblot test or simply the Inkblot test) is a psychological test in which subjects' perceptions of inkblots are recorded and then analyzed using psychological interpretation, complex scientifically derived algorithms, or both.

In other words, you look at a random image, and try to make sense of it. Then some doctor tells you if you're a whack job or not.

I'll admit that the symmetry is interesting, but there is none on the the NASA image from Nov. 22nd '03. So however the OP got that image, it's not the same as NASA's. I have to believe they know more about spectral analysis than anyone on this thread. I'm just saying, they're freaking NASA, people.

So, where does that leave us? 1. Big ball of gas with a magnetic field emitting radio waves, 2. A recording of said radio waves, 3. People hearing "alien" voices in said radio waves. 4. A converted image made from the radio waves. 5. People seeing (too funny to even say) "things" in said image.

Had anyone on this thread said they actually built or worked on the Cassini-Huygens project, and came out and said there was some kind of anomaly, I might be inclined to "stretch" my imagination, but this is what we have, and I quote, " Time on this recording has been compressed, so that 73 seconds corresponds to 27 minutes. Since the frequencies of these emissions are well above the audio frequency range, we have shifted them downward by a factor of 44." The image and recording have already been manipulated from the original. You're not even observing the source material, and you couldn't even hear it if you did. Besides, you are hearing blip from a constant radio source that's been transmitting for billions of years. 27 minutes is nothing compared to the aeon's that Saturn has been producing this signal.

Symmetry exists in nature. Bilateral animals, including humans, are more or less symmetric with respect to the sagittal plane. Fractal symmetry by the use of the Mandelbrot set which the structure of a complex form looks similar or even exactly the same no matter what degree of magnification is used to examine it. Just look at a seed, sea shell, or snowflake, and tell me where the "alien" is.

If there are aliens out there, I highly doubt they are hanging around Saturn administering Rorschach tests to see how stupid we are. Just watching five minutes of prime time network television would tell them all they need to know about us.

reply to post by schlub


I will try and ignore IGNORANT statements from now on. This one's my last... Please, before posting useless cr*p, would you be so kind to maybe make some research or READ THE THREAD before replying??? I've explained very clearly why this is not STEREO effect a couple of times before. Also, you don't even understand what a spectrogram is (judging from your post), well, before jumping to conclusions could you please, the very least do something more productive other than eating hamburgers and shoutin "Yeeeeehaaaa" and do a very BASIC research to see why this is not the explaination (and if it were, I would've known it quite some time before even starting the thread, i.e. this thread wouldn't have been here if that was the case). *SIGH*

ON TOPIC:

Now I'll do some more investigation regarding the aliasing theory as it's closest the a plaussible explanation - I'll make the experiment that rrr suggested with creating a sound at a lower samplerate, and then run it through at a higher samplerate and mess with it to check if such aliasing will occur. If yes, then we have our explanation...

Although, I would like to hear rrr's take on the fact that this signal and the 2004 one are the only two signals from Cassini, and probably elsewhere, where such aliasing occurs. He said a possible reason for this is that those signals had a different samplerate used when being received, converted and/or processed by the astronomers who were working on this, and thus, resulting in the symmetry seen in the spectrogram image. So, now I'm currently searching for explanation of the difference in samplerates from these exact two signals and all other, it's possible that those freqs were shifted by a factor of 44 and time was also squeezed 22x times faster, might lead to the reason for the difference in these two... Willl let you know my findings, when I'm done on this.

This is, as far, the most plaussible explanation, right after it we have an echo theory by ukbloke, which also makes a lot of sense. I have asked, though, and still waiting for an answer what would determine where the echoed frequencies (right part of symmetry) will lay?

This has gotten my brain working for a few days now, thanks for helping in getting to the bottom of the signal. Now, will someone explain the symmetry being 100% sure that's the reason behind it, so I could go back to doing my original business? lol I hardly managed to, these last couple of days.

reply to post by wizardseye


Great post!

Yes, I personally can assure you I'm aware that the planet itself emits radio signals. Which, is not a definite proof this came from Saturn (this is just a thought, not really important). So, I will pinpoint to you what the main problem is - I've tried this with more than 10 other radio signals coming from the Cassini orbiter, and none produced the effect. Rickyrrr gave a close to perfect explanation that this is a result of aliasing due to different samplerates used somewhere along the line of processing the data, after being received in 2003 and 2004. However, since no other signals produced this exact same effect, I'm currently looking for a definite answer on what's the reason for the difference. Rickyrrr mentioned it could be due to different samplerates, I'm currently looking into this and will let you know my findings a bit later.

Nevertheless, a great post, outlining important details that (although me, myself am aware of) haven't been mentioned and a lot of people are not aware of. Thanks for that!


EDIT - also, regarding the symmetry part of your post - you're correct, actually nature resides on symmetry in almost every aspect. Also, this is in the foundation of the fact so many shapes are seen and distinguished by so many people in the images here (yep, all credit goes to symmetry on that one). However, this case is a bit different from your everyday natural symmetry, and in order for you to realise what I mean, you'll have to first fully understand what a spectrogram is (if you don't now), and then look over at the images again, so you would realise why I find this improbable to be work of nature, other than work of mathematics. So, still pondering on the aliasing theory...

Originally posted by thecsb
Tried to make it more compact since nobody had done it yet? and this is what i got.

Cant figure out that magical advanced wizz trick of posting pics here so a link is the best i can do..

Image

Why does this remind me of the older model Cylons in Battlestar Galactica???
Maybe a warning?
All Of This Has Happened Before And It Will Happen Again!.....
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Love this site, and this topic is very interesting.
Great work OP.

Im telling you. I can easily see a Annunaki figure in this image. Does anyone else not see this?? The eagle headpiece and skull figure on chest. It looks exactly like the Annunaki depicted in the movie Stargate or the movie Immortal. So weird.

Guys, rickyrrr was completely right when pointing to aliasing! It IS the explanation for the symmetry.

My main mistake was missing a very important part of the investigation, one I should've done in the very beginning - taking note of the original samplerate of the file from the Cassini website - it is 5kHz.

I can explain this in detail, but few of you would undestand the technical part of it. In short, in both Live and FL Studio I had set up both my realtime playback and export settings to Linear sampling (I usually keep the export at a different setting, but this time I missed this). This is the lowest quality setting for audio output sampling and in general is very different from the second lowest and above. It usually is completely fine when working with files above 22kHz, which are the typical ones nowadays, no artifacts would appear on any of the such, but as this one was with a samplerate of 5kHz, exactly the linear sampling setting actually provided the symmetry. And as I'm no sound engineer (I have more than 10 years experience with sound, but not in the engineering part of it), I have never worked with audio files below 22kHz (actually,including 22kHz itself, so below 44.1kHz), for the very simple reason that these are too low quality and would've done nothing for me. And this is the reason why I haven't seen the symmetry ever before.

This has been quite a thread, it was all fun and interesting, sometimes even scary, but what's more importnat - it taught me new things. And we all should learn from our mistakes! Thanks for all the interesting thoughts from everyone, it was mind provoking, the very least.

As for the Cassini signal itself - I'm no radio signal expert, but if they say there's something strange to it, then there is. What, I can't say. All I can say THERE IS NO SYMMETRY and all credit on the finding goes to rickyrrr!

Thanks for pointing out the obvious, yet, missed by me!

ALIASING IS THE REASON FOR THE SYMMETRY SO WE CAN ALL RELAX NOW LOL!

As for all that we could manage to see in the symmetrical image - for those of you who still think there was something to the shapes and that might propose in future that I was on the right track - sorry to put you down on this, but no, I wasn't on the right track and I will explain why that is - if you take some random image, then mirror it, so a symmetry would be present, you will always see such shapes, sometimes very scary, too. So, the shapes credits go to symmetry, that wasn't really present in the begining, but was an artifact!

It was fun though!

reply to post by Termite197


Hi

I don’t think the OP is concerned over what can be seen or even star trek sounds when parts are removed. We all can see stuff. His interest is the symmetry and what caused it.

Very unlikely to be natural and so it is either man made or made by something other than man.
Most likely to be manmade in some way but until it is ruled out who knows

Again good work OP and the others contributing to find the answer to the symmetry.
I personally hope you can’t, love a good mystery.

reply to post by ch1n1t0


There you go. You spoilt a perfectly good thread with a definitive answer. You really cant trust anyone nowadays can you.

reply to post by colin42


LOL thanks mate, I really didn't intend to, as I love mistery, too, but one that REALLY can't get explained. And this has gotten. So don't hate me, hate rickyrrr for his wonderful insight on the subject, that shed light in the dark for us

Have to say sorry to anyone who I have fooled, however, I myself have never ever said there is any message. The point of the thread was finding a decent explanation, and so it served its purpose! Really sorry, everyone!

EDIT - I dunno if there's anything more to discuss on the topic, imo, no. But I'll let the mods decide on this, as well as other members.

p.s. sorry again, guys, for creating and then ruining such a fine mistery but I've gotten my answers and am happy with them!

cheers and see you whenever something worth writing about pops up!


EDIT 2 - Hope that the people who posted on other forums regarding the subject, are keeping themselves up-to-date and will provide the explanation there, as well!

oh well...
in simple terms... gutted.
in complex terms... really gutted.

i was enjoying my time reading over this thread, and waiting for the next reply.

so erm, just out of curiosity, how do we know that this signal wasnt intended to be manipulated in this way to give the this result? shame there is no alien instruction at the start of the image saying "hey dudes, make this symetrical to get our full message" lol.

fun while it lasted, and i did even learn a little from it all.

thanks everyone.

The word "Saturn" carries messages about the Art/Pictures/Radio Signal.

Here's the ET Corn Gods hidden language decoding --- first installment:

Saturn:
Sa turn = “As”,
as+66+66 … = “Re”, “Game”.
Therefore:
Saturn = "Game".
As is Arsenic.
R is 18, 108, “Ch”, Ch = 18+20 = “RT”.
Therefore:
Saturn = “Art Senic”.
Se-66 = “Li”, L+I = “21”, “2010”. (add 0’s).
Add 0+66+66 …. = “Mt”.
T is 20, bo, 2 15, “Ag”.
Therefore:
Saturn = “Art 2010 AD Magic”.

What i noticed in this and the other thread is people are forgetting that the sound file was not originally sound, but from a much higher spectrum, and the frequencies were shifted down to the audiable range.

A question to the OP.......Nice Thread btw S+F, So did anyone actually try to run images through the various available software out there?
I decided to do one to give it a go...I got the following Crop Circle cleaned up and simplified into black and white...First photo on the page I ran it through AudioPaint and ripped the sound to Audacity...
Sped up the sound clip to +100 and got a clip with the words...."We Are Back" very interesting..............
Just wondered if anyone else had tried it. fyi I made the image transparent thus only getting sound from the actual design.

Originally posted by DreamerOracle
A question to the OP.......Nice Thread btw S+F, So did anyone actually try to run images through the various available software out there?
I decided to do one to give it a go...I got the following Crop Circle cleaned up and simplified into black and white...First photo on the page I ran it through AudioPaint and ripped the sound to Audacity...
Sped up the sound clip to +100 and got a clip with the words...."We Are Back" very interesting..............
Just wondered if anyone else had tried it. fyi I made the image transparent thus only getting sound from the actual design.

edit on 29-10-2010 by DreamerOracle because: editing

The following site has the Crop Circles in black and white diagram form. You probably won't have to clean it up.

The word "Are" in ET Corn Gods language translation = "Argue".
So the words you got mean "We argue back". Or "UFO argue Back" -- We has root "i" which converts to "UFO".

Back = "OK'", or "K" = "Talk" or "Think".

Originally posted by etcorngods

Originally posted by DreamerOracle
A question to the OP.......Nice Thread btw S+F, So did anyone actually try to run images through the various available software out there?
I decided to do one to give it a go...I got the following Crop Circle cleaned up and simplified into black and white...First photo on the page I ran it through AudioPaint and ripped the sound to Audacity...
Sped up the sound clip to +100 and got a clip with the words...."We Are Back" very interesting..............
Just wondered if anyone else had tried it. fyi I made the image transparent thus only getting sound from the actual design.

edit on 29-10-2010 by DreamerOracle because: editing

The following site has the Crop Circles in black and white diagram form. You probably won't have to clean it up.

The word "Are" in ET Corn Gods language translation = "Argue".
So the words you got mean "We argue back". Or "UFO argue Back" -- We has root "i" which converts to "UFO".

Back = "OK'", or "K" = "Talk" or "Think".

Where's that link for the website with some of the work done already............I've noticed by keeping the frame of the image gives clearer results.....A very interesting project.

Originally posted by DreamerOracle

Originally posted by etcorngods

Originally posted by DreamerOracle
A question to the OP.......Nice Thread btw S+F, So did anyone actually try to run images through the various available software out there?
I decided to do one to give it a go...I got the following Crop Circle cleaned up and simplified into black and white...First photo on the page I ran it through AudioPaint and ripped the sound to Audacity...
Sped up the sound clip to +100 and got a clip with the words...."We Are Back" very interesting..............
Just wondered if anyone else had tried it. fyi I made the image transparent thus only getting sound from the actual design.

edit on 29-10-2010 by DreamerOracle because: editing

The following site has the Crop Circles in black and white diagram form. You probably won't have to clean it up.

The word "Are" in ET Corn Gods language translation = "Argue".
So the words you got mean "We argue back". Or "UFO argue Back" -- We has root "i" which converts to "UFO".

Back = "OK'", or "K" = "Talk" or "Think".

Where's that link for the website with some of the work done already............I've noticed by keeping the frame of the image gives clearer results.....A very interesting project.

I guess you mean the website with my ET Corn Gods translations on it: www.ufoetblog.com and www.etcorngods.com

There is no way that we will be contacted in straight english. It will be coded -- to be decoded with the ET Corn Gods rules.