COICA law - say goodbye to internet freedom

amm the two links posted that are supposed to be about the same law, i dont see anywhere anything about the coica law in them? it seems like a very long thread with the purpose of size instead of information, sorry but people need to know clean info now in one paragraph, sorry if i didnt saw coica law in your thread but i didnt.

and about the fella on facebook hand me that facebook petition ill join too. congrats on having a casino job though,its not that hard for me to find a job but ive never been accepted to work in a casino,always though it would be fun

reply to post by PsychNurse

Maybe it's just me... What the heck are you talking about? It's like trying to translate Yoda stoned!?

in short, gov. is engulfed with idea to close most enemy of their propaganda. but idea is brainless completely

This is such incredible B.S.

When did this country go down the gutter?

Land of the free, yeah right, more like free to do whatever they're told.

Originally posted by randomname
i guess all the internet tough guys can now band together and fight and change this injustice by sending strongly worded comments and opinions.

HAHA great comment and so true.

On the internet, most people don't hesitate to speak out yet these are most likely the same people who never say a word at the dinner table. Sadly this new law/bill is trying to reduce all of us to just that except we will no longer have a a place to speak our minds.

EDIT:Sorry for the double post, I'm new.

reply to post by SpinOZA238

Would it be further possible to omit the majority of the physical web? Most computers now have a wireless adaptor. Could we set up a massive scale ad hoc network and just jump from one PC to another. It would be slow as hell with current tech but that would come up. And we would need satellite access to jump across the oceans or any other distance, but it seems remotely feasible.

you missed roots: they'll remove web-resources with blockage of domain & hosting, lion part of servers has been landed in USA that makes plan very feasible for'em obviously, hosting services beyond USA shall appreciate blacklists too

This will never happen! Even if the law is passed... so far we the "majority" have all the power and so the few on top trying to censor context to their desire, will fail! They already have, which is why become desperate enough to try to make a "law" out of it. Anyhow, there are so many Hackers out there that there always be a way around, just like any other stupid "law" out there... there is ALWAYS a way around it.

Sure it will be inconvenient, but guess what this will do... it will bring us the people.. close as one... and ultimately we will fight the system and free ourselves from the chain they set for us... this law, can be the one to trigger this movement on masses. Majority of the world uses the internet and the ones that don't, know of it, and everyone relates to the internet for their own personal reasons. One may use it for shopping, one for going to ATS, etc.. if someone entity interferer with you on a personal level... well it's on. People will fight back to their last breath as it is something they can each relate to.

It isn't that we can't get together now to say.. save the world from hunger and war, etc... it's because we're selfish beings and for the masses if it's not something they can personally relate too, barely anyone will truly fight for the cause... it might just be one small thing.. like this stupid law that will trigger the little spark in each one of us... and that... will be the end of slavery for us all!

Anyhow a little off... but i'm hopeful something GREAT will come out of these boundary pushing limitations. Where the masses say... "I had enough!"

The Limewire case does not appear to be specifically related to COICA, although I understand the similarities.

The TV, Movie and record companies have been screaming at the government for years to crackdown on piracy, with the software companies close behind. But, like the war on drugs, any such law will eventually be applied way beyond it's original target.

Maybe the golden age of file sharing is over....

It would be bad but would it be bad only for Americans. If a site was American would it be terminated or what? Like ATS it's American but what would happen to it.

File sharing, SHARING as an idea, is the Tower of Babel, and now "gods" want to destroy it one more time...

And Internet is now one global language.

And there is going to be a very big war with many battles...

INTERNETOMACHIA

reply to post by SarK0Y

you missed roots: they'll remove web-resources with blockage of domain & hosting, lion part of servers has been landed in USA that makes plan very feasible for'em obviously, hosting services beyond USA shall appreciate blacklists too

But if we are talking a new networking protocol we could rebuild the 'roots' from the ground up. Each computer could have it's own mini server, just what that user was willing to share. I'm thinking an app that would include the existing web but would have it's core components discrete from it.

Also, how effective is encrypted networking over the existing web? For instance when a user runs a bit torrent client and selects "use only encrypted connections", can the ISP, the NSA, a wiretapper or anyone really tell what they are doing? Can they just identify that an encrypted data stream is being transmitted or can they actually decode it and look at the contents?

That gives them the way to close down sites that aren't even American???
That can't be their decision to make!!!

reply to post by Stillalive


Don't censor American Idol and the public will never know

are people really watching american idol? are they really even watching tv shows? with ad commercials every 10 minutes? how do you americans take that? if it was me i would probably...i dont know...go on a rampage

Couldn't you fight this in court? As it is facebook etc can be used against you in court as a verbal statement. Wouldnt this be taking away the freedom of speech in this case?

There's too much here for me to wade through, so apologies if this has been posted, but here's the online petition against the bill:

demandprogress.org...

It's a good start, but it wouldn't hurt to contact your politicians personally and voice your opposition to this (and any other legislation you disapprove of).


-TheAssoc.

reply to post by Stillalive


how can u claim its not ur problem but in the same post it says will be removed from the internet not just from the us....fail

People need to understand that there will be no widespread discontentment or major unrest, if the internet gets censored.


1. Governments are hardly going announce that internet censorship is to quell ''subversives'' and to stop people getting nearer the truth.

Any internet censorship will be justified under the guise of stopping child pornography or ''terrorism'' - which will mean that the majority of people will approve and support any legislation along these lines.

We've lost quite a few liberties due to legislation that is claimed to help fight ''terrorism'', and most people are happy to do so, because they believe that their government is genuinely out to protect them.


2. I believe the Australian bill regarding internet censorship proposed that the list of sites that would be censored would not be made public.

Therefore, people won't even know what sites they aren't being permitted to see.

Take ATS, for example: People would have to know of this site's existence first, to know that it wasn't coming up on their searches.

As it stands now, someone who has never thought about alternative theories, can stumble across this site by accident, through a search engine, and have their eyes opened to subjects that they may have never thought about too deeply before.

I'm convinced that any potential widespread internet censorship will be aimed at preventing ''normal'' people from delving too deeply into the machinations of the world around them.


3. People go on about bypassing censorship by using alternate DNS servers or proxy services, but as with the point above, the only people who are really going to be interested in this, are those that are suspicious of the government legislation anyway.

Again, the majority of people won't have a need or interest to bypass internet filtering, if they are unaware of the content that is being filtered, and if they believe that the censorship is in the best interests of the people; ie. Limiting child pornography.

Its just another step for the elites to gain total control. :/ im ashamed to not be surprised by this.

The only thing I have a problem with is the DOJ (department of justice) is NOT required to document the criteria upon which it's decision is based. It is also not required to produce any information related to this decision in subsequent litigation about the domain name, although it is required to produce this information about a decision to take a domain name off the list.
Seems like the start of nothing good! It would be safe to assume that they'd misuse that power eventually. They will. They always do.

reply to post by SpinOZA238

But if we are talking a new networking protocol we could rebuild the 'roots' from the ground up. Each computer could have it's own mini server, just what that user was willing to share. I'm thinking an app that would include the existing web but would have it's core components discrete from it.

check it out what you're talking about is just application layer. current Internet has made possible to realize scheme, mentioned by you, w\o super natural problems.

For instance when a user runs a bit torrent client and selects "use only encrypted connections", can the ISP, the NSA, a wiretapper or anyone really tell what they are doing? Can they just identify that an encrypted data stream is being transmitted or can they actually decode it and look at the contents?

encrypted connection & torrent nets are completely different things:
1. encrypted connection secures transmitted data, but no addresses of source & destination;
2. torrent net needs to've central server, where client app can get current IP addresses of required users & list of shared files.
3. client app sends to server info about shared files of the user & current IP address.
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in short terms, torrent doesn't allow to hide own address & list of available files, any occasion of piracy has been tracked by ISP & nsa-like agencies w\o whatever troubles. private torrents ain't Nothing, but lies after lettuce