COICA law - say goodbye to internet freedom

Originally posted by Disillusioned_Youth
Good. If the internet shut down, people might actually take to the streets with their disdain/complaints/thoughts/feelings.

The internet is a pretty mellow medium of communication, and everything that's said stays in the Web's microcosm of an existence to pass with time...

I sometimes wonder...

What if they had the internet in the times shortly preceding the American Revolutionary War? Would people have taken action to make a "change", or would they simply be speculating/ranting/complaining/fretting on web forums such as ATS and never do anything about it?

The revolutionary war wouldnt have happened because Britain would have been monitoring the forums and decrypting the emails. Britain would have made certain compromises based on the majority of views held by "users" online and stayed ahead of any dissent, thus maintaining control. But eventually Britain would have gotten greedy and wouldve caused something else to happen that would split the relationship anyway.

reply to post by TheAssociate


Thanks for posting that,at least it is stalled for the moment.I believe our filtering is going to start in dec (AUS) anyone know the date?

Originally posted by PsychNurse
reply to post by Stillalive

 

Doesn't effect Canada... Woo Hoo!

edit on 25-10-2010 by PsychNurse because: (no reason given)

wow, come on, really? you guys never help americans. this is the time when we ATSers need to band together no matter what country we live in! part of the biggest problem in this world is people saying "well, its not my problem so have fun!"

is there anyway we can all organize something as ATSers to rebel against this? im sure if we did, wed run a bigger threat of losing this site if they pass this, but is this something you really feel comfortable about sitting back and letting them do?

Originally posted by xiphias
What some people fail to realize, mostly the people who are disconnected from our society by means of class or wealth, is that the internet is our modern world.

Less freedom means less progress. Less progress means less understanding. Less understanding means more fear. More fear means more hate. More hate means more anger. More anger means more violence.

Trying to control the internet is essentially a tyrannical act in disguise; it is the foundation for an elimination of free speech and open communication. Whether this is the agenda or not, that's the potential, and it is a very dangerous potential.

If you ask me, the internet is a bona fide miracle, and a miracle supercedes any decision made by any single entity.

The people should stand up and declare the internet to be the holiest of holy ground, and demand that it not be tampered with by the government.

edit on 25-10-2010 by xiphias because: (no reason given)

You've just expressed my thoughts exactly. The internet is a place of equality and freedom where knowledge is available evenly to all who search for it. So much of the world depends on the internet that if it ever became unavailable, I'd think society would crash and burn. It's like waking up one day and finding out electricity no longer works.
The internet should be free to all, like our right to exist, and the government should keep their filthy hands off it.

This will not ever pass committee as there are too many people and blocs against it.

Whoever does approve and vote "yay" for this will mark the end of their congressional career.

I have a sneaking suspicious that our internet has been censored for a long time now. Personally, I'm not too worried about it. When there is a will, there is a way.

yea actually if passed it would affect canada and the whole world. The u.s. under the control of the treasury department controls the root dns servers. these servers control how every server in the world would be able to see the server your running. Example: thepiratebay.org redirects to an IP address say 192.168.1.1(example). If this law is passed and they decided to shut it down, one they would redirect thepiratebay.org to riaa.org(as an example). they would do that at the root level, and it would pass down to every server in the world. Second, they would order the company providing service to the website to return the IP to themselves, or face having there scope pulled. that would mean that the ISP would be forced to turn off the IP that they provide to the website. Once thats done, the site ceases to be. If you cant get to it via name, and you cant get to it except maybe through a dynamic IP on a cable modem, chances are it will go away. Additionally there are only a limited number of providers for a given area, and once you burn through them, you will be forced to go offline. doesnt matter whether you want to or not. Again, you fail to understand that the the U.S. controls the Internet. We always have. there has been talk of turning it over to the U.N. however we haven't and to be honest i dont see us doing it. This law has ramificcations, both good and bad the way i see it. One it always the government to control the internet better, and provide better security. This is important as the ever growing technology in our infrastructure develps and we would need that added security. However, its also kinda like killing a flea with a sledge hammer. It gets the jonb done, but if not done right, or with too much force, you damage whatever is underneath it. Just my take, i havent read the law, but i can see both the good and bad to it. I am sure there would be excemptions that would protect freedom of speech. However, i see that all the torrecnts, and illegal stuff would quickly go away. which could be a good thing, as its illegal to download anyway, and 90% of the bandwidth is consumer by the 10% that do perform these activiites.

Cheers,
C

I'm calling FAIL !
This bill will not become law because there is too much money being made on the back end of too many sites that are supplied and linked to product.
The protection supplied by the bill doesnt outweigh or provide a marked revenue or distribution of said revenue to any mentioned beneficiary.
Without specification of monetary gains, this is nothing more than a dog and pony show for hollywood.
This has nothing to do with individual internet access or internet freedoms.

They, have been able to watch Us and read on us and compile tracking data on Us for quite a while now,
'hail the patriot act',
and our unlimited access will not go away, their unlimited access will not go away.
We're watched MORE now than we would be after a censor would be placed,
good find, but blown out of proportion.

Actually READ the bill, read it as many times as needed to understand it.

www.govtrack.us...

Screw the internet anyway... where are all the free movies?... what happened to my internet?

Has no one seen any of the reports on this coming from RT?

Apparently under the guise of combating Child Pornography and 'Cyber Terrorism' the U.S can not cope on it's own, so the solution is for other countries to work together and have a (Wait for it....)

GLOBAL CONTROL OF THE INTERNET.


Hard times a' coming my friends.

The vast majority of americans were against the TARP, that passed pretty easily, with certain tactics.


I would like to believe myself, that we do have a say, but maybe I'm a little too optimistic. Voicing my opinion to local Reps hasn't gotten me anywhere yet.

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If this goes through my home will be one of the few to completely be rid of the world wide web.If i wanted people to tell me what i can and can not do in the privacy of my own home i would move back in with my parents.

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Na, it's not so easy for them

You could just use another DNS Server outside the US (as i use a luxemburgish one while studying in germany)
or set up your own DNS on your own (virtual)Server somewhere in the world.

You could use a proxy (as i do ) do bypass restrictions. There are a lot of public proxies and it's really easy to set up your own on a (virtual)Server.

Or you could connect to the site simply by entering the IP of the server (where the website is hosted) into your browser. Most websites have static IP addresses.

It would be impossible for the gov. to block all proxys, OpenDNS, privateDNS Servers. Then there is tunneling... et cetera.

With the current protocol TCP/IP and the current structure of the Internet it is almost impossible to block it on a software basis. Even the chinese guys manage to get through their censoring system (if they have the knowledge to do so, not the average Li ). Except you do i like the North Korean guys and only have one PC with a network card in the whole country

Rest assured, they can put as many laws on the internet as they want:
- There'll always be techniques to bypass those.
- If they become to strikt people will show them what 'pirating' means
- If they can impose hard restrictions without the people starting a mutiny, we are doomed an don't deserve internet or sth alike

It's just like the government to screw with the peoples rights!!! It's that reason American citizens, and even non-American citizens for that matter, are powerless in the world!!! American citizens and non-American citizens should have the right to vote on this Act! Because this affects everyone! "Big Brother" is so corrupt, the last time they actually "Helped" anyone was...NEVER!!! "Big Brother" is no longer trying to help the people, therefore as it says in the American Constitution, "When a government gets to powerful and starts to do harm to its citizen, it's the right of the people to overthrow said government." I believe that time is now!!! Actually I beleive that time was long ago! GOVERNMENTS SHOULD FALL, ANARCHY SHALL REIGN!!! It's the only way we will ever truly be free! I know some of you will disagree, but oh well. All I have to say to you is...how free are you?

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thanx for the heads up!! 1st amendment? seems like a slow choke. uncle sam is a D-wod!! i already know enuf now anyway. its time our 6thsense evolves...we will just have to communicate thru the ethers...then what? fry the air?? not to far fetched at this rate..sad if this sand-box bill passes...someone do something please!!

Welcome to 1984.

I always wanted to say that

I don't think this will pass.Firstly because too many multinational companies earn billions from the internet and they will be the ones that will protest first.And we all know that "When money talks....."
Secondly people keep quiet with the internet.No matter what they say in the forums about revolution ,90% it's just talk.If they don't have the ineternet to say all these things eventually they will do them in real life.Angry people on the streets vs angry people on the web.The goverment propably prefers the second.
And finally without the internet they cannot monitor either certain people or groups of people to see where they stand.Any one of us is a possible suspect which they will loose track(especially the ones outside U.S.A)-(That was me getting toooooo paranoid sorry about that)-Have us all gathered in one place is easier than try to find what letters we send each other with the post office and perhaps under fake names.

Yeah propably we won't have the ease to find news,photos,articles etc,but i know that when someone wants something they can achieve with or without the internet.

The problem is that if the US starts banning sites,this will open the doors to other countries to do the same.And just in case ATS is on the list,it was nice to meet you people

Would it be possible to create pirate Internet?

Im sure some boffin will find a way around this. Neccesity is the mother of all invention. If i was a techy i would be working on this right now. There could be some serious bucks to be made from what is essentialy going to be prohibition of certain aspects of the internet. $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Theres no way they can enforce this. Websites like ATS will simply move to countrys where they can operate. Other countrys will start to profit from it. America will realise what a mistake its made. It will get messy in the courts. A politician will see this as an oppotunity to gain some support. The bill will be reversed and the whole thing will turn out to be a big waste of time and money.

There, there. Its all going to be fine. Trust unkey Kryptic.

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You 'just' have to create/write your own protocoll ( like the TCP/IP protocoll) and you have your own (pirate) internet.

But i guess you'll need a lot of money to pull that stunt. I'm quite sure some intelligence services have their own protocolls to communicate with each other... unknown to any outsider = top secure

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Yeah, i had a feeling it would be really difficult/expensive to do. Otherwise someone would have probably done something like this in China or North Korea. If this bill will get all the rip off sites and child porn off the net then im all for it.

I have a feeling that they wont stop there though. If it gets in the way of free speech then id like to believe that the Americans will start a march on the whitehouse. As a knock on effect all those con sites and kiddie porn peddlers will move to countrys like the UK or Canada and we'll likely adopt something similar.

We could be witnessing the end of the internet as we know it, when you look at it that way.

Has anyone thought that this might go through, but quietly, so if and when the world looks as if it is on the brink of revolution then BAM! No communication? Just because a law is passed does not mean it will be used straight away because the public will forget it's in act after a while even if the media get hold of it. It might not even be used at all? just as a back-up? So many possibilities!