Lights Over El Paso, TX October 15, 2010 (SOLVED/Identified - SkyDivers)

after watchin pages and pages of arguing
i have to ask
why is it so important for us to alter each others beleif
to be right at all costs isnt right its just loud and repeditive noise
i think it was gerbals who said repeate something enough times and people will beleive anything you say (eventually)

i will repeat this 1 thing

three mass sightings in 5 days
more to come over the next days and weeks

xploder

reply to post by Phage


Well, your explanation is the best I have seen so far...the only question I have is whether any skydivers would be stupid enough to jump at night directly into a populated area.

reply to post by expat2368

Not so populated.

Originally posted by Project-Sign
reply to post by scitpeks

 

Absolutely not. I believe in a lot of things the average person might not. But almost every thread I've seen since joining has been hysterical nonsense about easily explainable happenings. I'm a bit disappointed actually, I wanted to see videos and pictures that actually made me take a step back and wonder, but I've seen nothing of the kind so far. But the worst thing is how very few take a minute to actually think about what they're seeing, or asking 'could there be a logical explanation for this?' before jumping off the deep end and proclaiming it something out of the ordinary. Like I said before, and to answer your question, I'm not a debunker, just an advocate of using one's brain.

i know what you mean, but it happens both ways, its a fruit loop, some people who believe post anything in the hope it is their ultimate proof and scream u.f.o. (not O.P., they just posted for answers), but there are also some non believers who jump straight in and make something up without backing up their claim. then the rest of thread simply revolves around arguements a bit like panto, oh no it is'nt, oh yes it is, untill a new video of 'nothing provable' surfaces and the cycle repeats again. however in this case we have something put forward that seems to match the .O.P.

i believe u.f.o's interms of craft in our airspace are real, i believe they could be aliens, but it is not often you see anything that would open up the debate into accepting there really is something out there we all need to pay attention to. even if a real u.f.o is posted, if its just a light doing nothing inparticular, why post it?

the problem is avid believers posting poor quality evidence then expecting it to be proof.

Originally posted by maluminse
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

This is one day after the siting in New York. At a S x SW wind speed of 30 knots the balloons from New York could clearly make their way to El Paso.

Rich has posted a photo of two different balloon launches in New York. Since these lights behaved similar to the NY phenomena then clearly the source is the same - balloons.

balloons? falling through the atmosphere with a streaking tail then hovering? what exactly are there balloons of yours made of? LOL. this is the stupidest thing ive read all day

reply to post by scitpeks


Unfortunately you joined during a time when this entire site has flipped its wig. I don't know if there was a gas leak, or if a bunch of kids joined or if it's trolls. I really don't know, but right now it seems you can post anything on here and people will give it consideration. It wasn't always like that. I think people are getting antsy and thinking some kind of disclosure is coming that isn't so everything is considered, I really can't say. It's retarded honestly. Used to be people who really thought they saw something unusual were a little concerned about being ridiculed. Maybe with the internet and anonymity people will post anything.

I just joined so I could comment. I Didn't have the time or desire to read 37 pages of replies, but I thought my 2 cents worth would be relevant. I noticed that one person was getting hammered for suggesting that it was the US Golden Knights parachute team. I'm here to agree with that. I grew up in El Paso and used to attend The Amigo Airsho regularly. The Golden Knights are always there. I also worked for a beer distributor in EP and worked the Airsho for several years. I don't know if they do it every year, but I know that they sometimes have events on Friday night even though the actual show is only advertised and open to the public for Saturday and Sunday. Friday night is usually a night to have a party for the volunteers, the performers, local big-wigs, etc.. The year I worked Friday night they had the jet powered truck "Shockwave" that looked very impressive at night and a balloon glow with lots of hot air balloons. I'm 99% sure that the Golden Knights jumped that night also, but I was inside working at that time and can't swear to it.

I would bet that it is the Golden Knights jumping and that the 4th Golden Knight's ankle flare malfunctioned. The biggest question here is why the local news station couldn't figure this out on their own instead of freaking the whole city (and countless others via the internet) out. Lazy journalism if you ask me.

Originally posted by ceetee

Originally posted by maluminse
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

This is one day after the siting in New York. At a S x SW wind speed of 30 knots the balloons from New York could clearly make their way to El Paso.

Rich has posted a photo of two different balloon launches in New York. Since these lights behaved similar to the NY phenomena then clearly the source is the same - balloons.

balloons? falling through the atmosphere with a streaking tail then hovering? what exactly are there balloons of yours made of? LOL. this is the stupidest thing ive read all day

Wrong dude. So I can quiet you down real quick. This thread is about a firework. The balloons they are talking about is from the NYC vids. Oct 13th was the balloon thread. They are just talking about both.

reply to post by ceetee


Ceetee.....

balloons?

Are you sure you're in the right thread?

Cheers mate
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by 0ne10

You wrongly interpreted my words multiple times, and didn't comprehend what I was saying. This means there is a comprehension conflict.

That is not an insult. It's a language barrier of some sort.

Is there any chance it is you that have expressed yourself wrongly or are you so perfect that that can not be the case?
I ask because other posters have questioned your attitude and Mods have removed quite a few of your posts, yet it is me that you say has the problem.

Wierd, we are all wrong and you are always right..
Must be wonderful for you..

Why would the Golden Knights be practising with flares at night if the airshow occurs during daylight hours?

AMIGO AIRSHO....
DATES
October 16th and 17th, 2010.
Gates Open at 10:00AM and close at 6:00PM

www.amigoairsho.org...

Sun sets around 6:30pm
www.timeanddate.com...

Originally posted by maluminse
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

This is one day after the siting in New York. At a S x SW wind speed of 30 knots the balloons from New York could clearly make their way to El Paso.

Rich has posted a photo of two different balloon launches in New York. Since these lights behaved similar to the NY phenomena then clearly the source is the same - balloons.

And you are actually serious? Did u even watch the video? Balloons don't emit light and even if they r ugh enough to catch a little sunlight they don't appear to streak down toward the ground like a meteor

reply to post by cams

Because they could?
Because they like to?
Because there was nothing keeping them from doing so?
Because it would be great publicity for the airshow?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by monkeykillingmonkey
One problem I have with this being sky divers with flares is that when the lights all stop and hover this is apparently when the parachute is pulled correct? But the "flares" are clearly still lit as the lights are still going. Now if that flare is attached to you shooting hot sparks above you would you want to pull your parachute send it flying through the sparks? Doesn't make sense to me.

That and the fact that in all those videos phage posted the lights do not look or act the same as the OP's video IMO.

edit on 17-10-2010 by monkeykillingmonkey because: spelling

Those who thought of the parachutist idea forgot to think that the parachute will get burned if they still have the flares with them once the parachute is open. With the size of that light, the flare must be pretty huge. The parachutists must wear some fireproof vest so as not to get burned.

reply to post by Sf18443



I don't know if he is serious. No they couldn't be the same balloons. They aren't balloons, but they aren't UFO's either. Good chance this one has been figured out if you read some of the thread.

reply to post by wavemaker

The flares are attached to the jumpers' feet.
You didn't watch the videos, did you?

Originally posted by wavemaker

Originally posted by monkeykillingmonkey
One problem I have with this being sky divers with flares is that when the lights all stop and hover this is apparently when the parachute is pulled correct? But the "flares" are clearly still lit as the lights are still going. Now if that flare is attached to you shooting hot sparks above you would you want to pull your parachute send it flying through the sparks? Doesn't make sense to me.

That and the fact that in all those videos phage posted the lights do not look or act the same as the OP's video IMO.

edit on 17-10-2010 by monkeykillingmonkey because: spelling

Those who thought of the parachutist idea forgot to think that the parachute will get burned if they still have the flares with them once the parachute is open. With the size of that light, the flare must be pretty huge. The parachutists must wear some fireproof vest so as not to get burned.

My vote is still with it being the same thing as in the other video that was posted. It clearly shows a parachute with flame/firework still going. Whether it is a parachutist or a parachute firework is to be determined. It's the same as the other video posted probably filmed in black and white.

reply to post by XPLodER


It's not exactly important to alter each others beliefs... it is important to get to the truth. It is also important to prevent untruth.

I personally hate to see people believe things that are not true.

For example, not to long ago some hoaxer thought it would be funny to create a fake UFO hoax. She created a fake supporting story, lie after lie, and she would laugh at all those who believed her behind their backs. She must have felt power and control over those people. I hate to see people do that... take control over people by deception.

Later she was found in conflict, admitted to it being a hoax, and laughed, and insulted, and ridiculed all those she deceived and controlled. Because of that, and many hoaxes like it, I have dedicated lots of my time to prevent hoaxes.

You would be surprised how often simple mis-identifications turn into hoaxes and allow others to control the gullible. You would be surprised how a simple balloon can be used and promoted as a UFO so that gullible people would buy a book, or purchase a subscription to a website. Ever heard of "Prophet Yahweh"? He created fake UFO's so he could get people to go to pay for subscriptions to his website. He straight out mentally controls people with lies.

So it's important to make sure you get to the truth, and if someone believes a lie, it's important to help them. If you don't that lie could spread and someone could use it to control people.

Like this sighting for example... Think for a minute that it really is, without a doubt, the Golden Knights. If people don't know this fact and go around believing otherwise, what stops people from using this sighting to advertise their UFO website, or book? What stops someone from saying "Video of real UFO! Click here to purchase a subscription to view it!"... then they are scammed into buying a subscription to see a hoax. It's just wrong..

Deception is just wrong.

reply to post by Phage

Thanks for the response. Publicity is probably the fairest answer.
I'm not convinced yet though. Those flares were somewhat different than normal flares although I'm sure that's been raised too? Haven't read that far yet....so will keep quiet.

I just read half of the previous 34 pages of bickering. Skipped a few as they were perpetuating the same static arguments over and over. I have been reading these forums for a few months now, and just joined now to post this as it is starting to seem ridiculous to me now.
I have become aware that there are three groups of people on these forums:
Skeptics: Those that try to "debunk" footage, stories, articles, etc that is related to conspiracies, aliens, ghosts, whatever.
Believers: Those that will believe anything they see without question so long as it is "strange" and not IMMEDIATELY "explainable"

and
Neutral so-so: Will carefully analyse data, facts, eyewitness accounts, basically evidence, and THEN make a decision.

From what I've seen on this forum, logical deduction (neutral so-so) is the smallest of the three. How about some common sense for the predominant groups? Here are some tips.
1. When you see a video of a UFO, do not immediately assume it is an extraterrestrial object and religiously follow this belief even when faced with facts of witnesses, careful deduction, logical conclusions, or prior history such as this video.
2. Only when, and ONLY when the aforementioned pursuits of evidence is exhausted, THEN you can start contemplating extra-terrestrials doing stunts over our atmosphere.
3. When faced with evidence to the contrary of your beliefs, TAKE THEM INTO CONSIDERATION. Do not just label the person "Oh you're just a f***** skeptic" or "you're just a f***** alien believer psycho" and move on. This is exactly the kind of behaviour that there was back in the middle ages when anyone that didn't believe in God, or provided evidence contrary to the existence of God, the bible, the church whatever was labeled a heretic(Galileo spent the last years of his life arrested for supporting heliocentricity)
4. Having said all of this, DO NOT REMAIN NEUTRAL AND UNDECIDED, a neutral and undecided person is about as useful to debunk or prove a "topic" as a sand particle is to a taxi driver's ability to wake up in the morning

Maybe you people should practice a bit of stoicism. That should help you reach conclusions much efficiently without ridiculous errors. Finally, about this video, there is more evidence pointing to the idea that these were the "Golden Knights" ? as you people call them? Practicing parachuting. This idea is furthered by (from what I have read):

* Prior history
* Data (I saw a post stating that they were to be practicing near or over an airfield which was shown to be in location of this "sighting")
* Even the video shows the logic behind using flares when parachuting at night

Now, what do we have proving that these are UFO's?

*They moved strangely.

That's it. From my own personal input (and please use your logic people, it's what seperates us from the other animals) I highly doubt Aliens would come from far away just to do some air shows over our atmosphere and then disappear. I myself would really like to have some extraterrestrial species come and land on Earth, and proclaim their existence, but that doesn't mean I will jump to the first "moving stars" i see at night and proclaim "WE ARE BEING VISITED!!!!"...

I hope my post was easy to read, I have not posted on a forum for a long time.