Is there a conspiracy to destroy the Bible

reply to post by MurderCityDevil


suppose you missed that part about my hearing an invisible audible voice that said "I am Jesus" before knowing any scripts? as Paul heard (you know the Day when he stopped murdering, Murder City?) and many others obviously and even the 108 U.O "Rabbi"(is'nt your boast Old Covenant? isn't this guy supposed to be an authority on it?) seems to insinuate the same sorta scenario, but if that is not enough to tickle your fancy suppose I could tell you about the Angel, hmm wonder where they ever got the idea of the wings and bright like lightning? why did Joseph tremble? Moses? Mary and Mary?

Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

Exodus23-
Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.
~
Acts-
For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you.

Originally posted by Rustami
reply to post by MurderCityDevil

 

suppose you missed that part about my hearing an invisible audible voice that said "I am Jesus" before knowing any scripts? as Paul heard (you know the Day when he stopped murdering, Murder City?) and many others obviously and even the 108 U.O "Rabbi"(is'nt your boast Old Covenant? isn't this guy supposed to be an authority on it?) seems to insinuate the same sorta scenario, but if that is not enough to tickle your fancy suppose I could tell you about the Angel, hmm wonder where they ever got the idea of the wings and bright like lightning? why did Joseph tremble? Moses? Mary and Mary?

Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

no, i remember you said that, doesnt mean its what it is, or that your own mind played tricks, happens all the time, also look up,"hearing your name just before sleeping" it was a post here about a year or so ago
hearing things

my boast? i dont believe in the jeremiah 31 covenant, like i said
an angel? yes please do wings? just like the cartoons, sweet, did you wrestle it like jacob did? all night?

also if the dead are not raised then christ is still raised anyway, that statement of pauls makes no sense

ask yourself this, is the creator a good tree or a bad tree? then re-read your bible with open eyes and realize
you are in heaven, the heavens surround the earth, and the earth is his footstool

do you really believe god left us? all alone to a little red tailed man with horns? hah
creation is inside all of us, we come from it as does all things, get it
so live it and love it and let your light shine
you dont need a dead mans blood to make you whole, you are already whole, get it?

god is not in a book, or a church or only paying attention to special people

if god heals one person, he has to heal them all, get it? good tree or bad tree? god cannot play favorites, it goes against his way, good tree? bad tree?

why would god heal a woman in a church with arthiritis but let all the starving children in africa die in the streets daily? think about that, really in depth and see who is real and what is been programmed

Originally posted by Rustami
Acts-
you must listen to everything he tells you.

ok once again john 14:12, he said to take up his cross and follow him

a lot of people arent listening

fail!

Satan created other religions (that predate Christianity) to trick you eh?

You would "Hate" to think that Christianity has anything in common with other Faiths?

You have a serious let down coming.

The overwhelming majority of beliefs and customs and traditions and stories and lessons of modern Faiths stem from Paganism. Witches, Warlocks, Druids, Shamans and the lot, told your stories and taught your lessons thousands of years before your book was conceived and written in the words of man. Your symbols are adopted, your phrases are adopted, even the legends of your saviors are adopted.

That's not Satan, that's human history.

Undoubtedly, this is a long lineage with each stage of development adding it's own bit to the tapestry. It is a human philosophy however and no evil demons are trying to trick you. 300 years from now someone will probably be asking the same question, sadly.. "Was Jesus the embodiment of Evil, sent to Earth to trick me into thinking that my invisible, omnipotent being isn't real??".

In my signature it says "Fractional Dimension". This a term used to describe a pattern (usually in an object) that appears to be the same regardless of scale. If you look at the universe and it's major features you will see that It is a Fractional Dimension. The same can be said for our history. We see very similar events repeat themselves again and again. There is an eb and flow to the history of man and to the expression of our consciousness. You can observe this pattern to gain insight into truth. As all other faiths have been eclipsed by a new understanding of our world, so shall yours. This doesn't make your faith intrinsically wrong however.. It means that all Faiths are evolving and adapting and that an absolute investment in orthodox views of any Faith is a losing bet. You should loosen up and take a wider view of the universe around you and learn to appreciate that your little piece of the pattern is just a personal guide to living well as a human being and not a thing to which you must be bound for eternity.

Peace and Best Wishes

OP we have to understand that some will not believe, their hearts have been hardened. They have been given an opportunity, they have rejected it, they have put wordly things ahead of Him. Yes there is a satan and he is rejoicing in their folly.
Keep the faith, plant your seeds and we will reap a harvest soon!

Originally posted by Quadrivium
OP we have to understand that some will not believe, their hearts have been hardened. They have been given an opportunity, they have rejected it, they have put wordly things ahead of Him. Yes there is a satan and he is rejoicing in their folly.
Keep the faith, plant your seeds and we will reap a harvest soon!

how is my heart hardened? I love equally, i forgive and forget, and try to put others before myself when i can and am able to do so

how is that bad? satan is rejoicing that im trying to be a very good honest person who is loving everyone as i would want to be loved and treated?

The ones destroying the Bible the most are the Evangelicals. The ones who have no grasp of what the bible is.

The fact that religions take such a shallow interpretation and use it in such a shallow way is what allowed room for the Atheists to rise up.

["no, i remember you said that, doesnt mean its what it is, or that your own mind played tricks, happens all the time, also look up..hearing things']

Mark-
When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."
And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Beelzebub!

John5.25-
I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live.

Revelation-
For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

["an angel? yes please do wings? just like the cartoons, sweet']

Exudus25.20-
The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover.

Matthew-
Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow.

[' did you wrestle it like jacob did? all night?']

shootfire all that night and years to come and never even looked into the scriptures or mentioned until after I heard the voice

["also if the dead are not raised then christ is still raised anyway, that statement of pauls makes no sense']

I think you're just having a hard time with understanding-that was the point to show how ridiculously prideful they were being before whose very eyes Christ was crucified and raised

1Corinthians-
Christ has indeed been raised from the dead

2Corinthians-
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation

["ask yourself this, is the creator a good tree or a bad tree?' then re-read your bible with open eyes and realize
you are in heaven, the heavens surround the earth, and the earth is his footstool']

Matthew28.18-
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Acts17.31-
For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead.

Revelation13.3-
The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.

Galatians3.16-
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

1Corinthians15-
For as in Adam all die

Romans9.8-
it is not the natural children who are God's children

["do you really believe god left us? all alone to a little red tailed man with horns? hah
creation is inside all of us, we come from it as does all things, get it
so live it and love it and let your light shine
you dont need a dead mans blood to make you whole, you are already whole, get it?']

John4.24-
God is spirit

Galatians4.29-
At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now.

Ecclesiastes-
The hearts of men, moreover, are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterward they join the dead.

2Peter2.12-
They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct

Revelation18.4-
In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints, and of all who have been killed on the earth.

John6.63-
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

["god is not in a book, or a church or only paying attention to special people"]

like I said before knowing any scriptures

2Peter-
For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

John-
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning..The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

These are the Scriptures that testify about me

["if god heals one person, he has to heal them all, get it?']

1Peter3.8-
For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit

1John2.22-
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.

John8.44-
He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

["good tree or bad tree? god cannot play favorites, it goes against his way, good tree? bad tree?']

Genesis3.1-
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "

Galatians4.24-
These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants.

reply to post by MurderCityDevil

["ok once again john 14:12, he said to take up his cross and follow him
a lot of people arent listening"]

Isaiah60.12-
For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish; it will be utterly ruined.

Mark3.12-
"Do you see all these great buildings?" replied Jesus. "Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."

Isaiah2.11-
The eyes of the arrogant man will be humbled and the pride of men brought low; the LORD alone will be exalted in that day.

1Peter1.20-
He was chosen before the creation of the world

Acts4.12-
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

reply to post by Rustami


guess you never read Hosea huh?

hosea 13:4 But I am the LORD your God, [who brought you] out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Savior except me.

jesus did not take them out of egypt

and dont say jesus is god, the hebrew scriptures clearly show that the messiah would be human, not divine or a diety or super magical powers

or did the romans know more about the jewish scriptures than the jews themselves?
hmmm wonder why they reject jesus?

the messiah was not to die, he was to reign as king and have offspring (children) of his own
and thats not spiritual gentile america either

so who is lying? is god lying in hosea? is hosea lying? is jesus lying? or is paul lying?

its obvious someone is...

Originally posted by MurderCityDevil

so who is lying? is god lying in hosea? is hosea lying? is jesus lying? or is paul lying?

its obvious someone is...

We are all lying. None of us have the full truth and neither did the writers of the Holy texts.

God speaks to us all. We then interpret that word and retransmit it to others based on our perception of it. Jesus' message was the clearest interpretation because his actions mimicked his words. We are our own savior. God helps those who help themselves. Jesus will return when we all understand his message, to love one another. He will return by his work, not in physical form.

Are we nor all Kings? Our Kingdom is our free will. Yes we are all Kings.

How can Kingdoms peacefully co-exist? They must share All and Love all other Kingdoms.

We're One
But we're not the same
We have to carry each other
Carry each other
One.

With Love,

Your Brother

Answer to the main question of the thread. Da Vinci code is a good one lol.

Originally posted by IAMIAM

We are all lying. None of us have the full truth and neither did the writers of the Holy texts.

God speaks to us all. We then interpret that word and retransmit it to others based on our perception of it. Jesus' message was the clearest interpretation because his actions mimicked his words. We are our own savior. God helps those who help themselves. Jesus will return when we all understand his message, to love one another. He will return by his work, not in physical form.

Are we nor all Kings? Our Kingdom is our free will. Yes we are all Kings.

How can Kingdoms peacefully co-exist? They must share All and Love all other Kingdoms.

We're One
But we're not the same
We have to carry each other
Carry each other
One.

i agree with you on this friend, nice U2 reference, lol

my main post from the original is the bible is so opposite of what the human race should be doing

slavery,genocide, human sacrifice and eternal damnation are not what life is meant to be, not even for scare tactic reasons

even jesus (who is not the/my savior) said you will have life more abundantly, how? by loving your neighbor as yourself, putting people before yourself daily

its that easy

i put it like this to some friends of mine

1. the past is no longer anything but a memory it can never be changed EVER
2. the future does not exist EVER, we are only EVER present human BEINGS keyword Being, not been or going to be's
3. being only ever present, we let our desires our memories our thoughts control how we react

we are never our thoughts, we are just beings
i can think a billion good thoughts and bad thoughts, until i act on them i am not them

heaven means in strongs concordance, happiness, power, eternity
so when jesus said the kingdom of heaven is at hand, what did he mean?

he meant change your ways, be happy and love, the kingdom of heaven is inside of us

i enjoy your posts

["guess you never read Hosea huh?"]

not as a boast but as an intense wondering I have read everything I could get my hands on like a madman even remotely associated to God/Jesus and still do (like stars are an interesting subject lately, "they saw His star" you should check out info on GRB080319) and would'nt you also, if you have seen and heard with real ears and eyes in real time these things I say?

Jeremiah8.8-
" 'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?

1Corinthians2.13-
This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

my words are spirit-Jesus

["hosea 13:4 But I am the LORD your God, [who brought you] out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Savior except me.']

In the beginning the Word was God..He was with God...He became flesh and made His dwelling among us...the firstborn of many brothers that began in Jerusalem...He came in the Name of His Father who He heard in everything and spoke that... YA, YaWa,Yahweh, Ya'hudi, Yehuda, Ya' Shua,Yehushua,Y'hoshuʿa,Yerushalayim, Ya'rusalem,Yaru Salem, Ya'akov ~ Je, Jehova, Judah, Jesus, Jerusalem, Jacob, Jew

Hebrews8.9-
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them, declares the Lord.

John5.18-
tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Philippians2.6-
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

["jesus did not take them out of egypt']

Hebrews1-
In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Psalm34.7-
The Angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear him, and he delivers them.

Hebrews1.5-
to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son

2.9-
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

["and dont say jesus is god, the hebrew scriptures clearly show that the messiah would be human, not divine or a diety or super magical powers']

Proverbs30-
Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and the name of his son?

Revelations12-
She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

Galatians4-
But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons.

Matthew-
Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly. But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins."

["or did the romans know more about the jewish scriptures than the jews themselves?
hmmm wonder why they reject jesus?'](did you forget 108 "Rabbi"? is he a chief Jew and U.O at that?)

Acts2.8-
Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language?

15.5-
the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses."
The apostles and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."

["the messiah was not to die, he was to reign as king']

Hebrews7.24-
but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

Acts17.7-
They are all defying Caesar's decrees, saying that there is another king, one called Jesus."

Luke-
But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, 'We don't want this man to be our king.'
"He was made king, however

Matthew21.38-
when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, 'This is the heir. Come, let's kill him and take his inheritance.'

John19-
And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

["and have offspring (children) of his own']

Isaiah53.8,10-
By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken..Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.

John1.13-
children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

Luke20.44-
David calls him 'Lord.' How then can he be his son?"

chosen BEFORE the creation

["and thats not spiritual gentile"]

Ezekiel21.10-
polished to flash like lightning! " 'Shall we rejoice in the scepter of my son Judah ?

Zecheriah3.9-
See, the stone I have set in front of Joshua! There are seven eyes on that one stone

Hosea1.10-
In the place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' they will be called 'sons of the living God.'

God so loved the world

[america either"]

John15.18-
If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.

Daniel4.17-
" 'The decision is announced by messengers, the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of men.'

Isaiah45.14-
"The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush, and those tall Sabeans— they will come over to you and will be yours; they will trudge behind you, coming over to you in chains. They will bow down before you and plead with you, saying, 'Surely God is with you

Malachi1.5-
You will see it with your own eyes and say, 'Great is the LORD -even beyond the borders of Israel!'

Acts10.35-
accepts men from every nation who fear him

Revelation15.4-
Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you

Romans2.14-
Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.

Galatians5.14-
The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Galatians4-
the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother

1Corinthians15.45-
So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

["so who is lying? is god lying in hosea? is hosea lying? is jesus lying? or is paul lying?
its obvious someone is...']

1John5.10-
Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.

1John2.22-
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son

4.20-
If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

Love rejoices in the Truth

reply to post by Rustami


My friend,

I would love to join the discussion, but I cannot speak to the dead. Using quotes from the dead does nothing to share your own heart with your audience. You say God spoke to you, then do you not have a testament of your own?

To raise the dead is to raise the dead will inside a Brother to speak his own truth, to walk among the living, to share with the living.

I have a Bible. I have read the Bible just as you have. Do you not have words of your own that reveal what you have learned from it? Speak them and let the dead lie.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


Hebrews4.12-
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

2Peter1.21-
For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

2Corinthians2.6-
To the one we are the smell of death; to the other, the fragrance of life.

John5.39-
These are the Scriptures that testify about me

Originally posted by Rustami
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

Hebrews4.12-
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

2Peter1.21-
For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

2Corinthians2.6-
To the one we are the smell of death; to the other, the fragrance of life.

John5.39-
These are the Scriptures that testify about me

ah the old circular reasoning bit, its a good one, hahahahaha

cant you be good on your own without a book dictating how to live wahile waiting for a destructive end?

if you make life better, life will be better, what a concept, WOW

do you believe in the cat in the hat? there are many books that speak of him, so he must be real huh?

Originally posted by Rustami

John5.39-
These are the Scriptures that testify about me

uh show me what scriptures speak of jesus

please show us

we already know that isaiah 7:14-16 is not of him, cause it says the child will do wrong before doing right

but jesus was sinless, so says paul and most of the new testament

Let me help you find your voice my friend.

Originally posted by Rustami
Hebrews4.12-
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Exactly. The word of God is living. It is not a Book. It is your heart. Open it up and let its truth out.

Originally posted by Rustami
2Peter1.21-
For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Are you not a Man? Do you not hear the Holy Spirit, its a voice, not print. You hear with your ears, not your eyes. You cannot will it, it comes. Speak with what comes to your heart, as these dead men did.

Originally posted by Rustami
2Corinthians2.6-
To the one we are the smell of death; to the other, the fragrance of life.

Has it brought you life enough to speak? Or does it bring you death and silence your own voice?

Originally posted by Rustami
John5.39-
These are the Scriptures that testify about me

Now that you have read and learned, has it brought you life to speak, or the silence of the grave?

I read the same book, and it brought me life and I speak. It can bring you life too and you can speak of it, if you rise.

With Love,

Your Brother

Simple statement, but I believe it to be true.


If the Bible can be destroyed, then it's not the Bible.