Is there a conspiracy to destroy the Bible

Jesus loves me. . .even though he is just another version of a dozen figures older than him. They all love me and will save me from my sins. Fortunately, I live by a stricter morale code than people who follow Him and his historical precedents, so I don't waste much of His time. To me, is just simply polite not to burden our Lord (and his predecessors) with immoral behaviors that hurt other people. When I mess up, I ask the person's forgiveness, so I don't have to bother our Savior. That seems to work pretty well. I think all of who name themselves after the Savior should give him a frickin' Sunday to rest and apologize to the people we have trespassed against so he doesn't have to do the work saving us from our idiocy.

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


I've used that argument many times myself. Of course I will try to continue to spread logic and reason to people that can assimilate it. Unfortunately, it is way to hard for most zealots to accept the fact that there is no reason for their faith. It just seems like it would be much easier to convince them that the atrocities in their holy book are the result of their boogie man manipulating their doctrine, but surely you know I jest.

When oral traditions get past down it is not surprising they get altered for a list of reasons. Even are own school history books have been changed for political reasons. It would be more so if we were a culture in heavy idol worship. When it comes to bible scripture it is placed in mans hands in the tongue spoken under often adverse conditions. When it is copied over and over problems happen.
When it comes to the N.T. 8,000 texts, fragments and etc. Most people do not understand the most complete books or codexes are like from 325 to 475 AD or so. Fragments and etc go back to even 70 AD. Later Mss are in latin and are of interest as they are over the large area North, South, East, West to formulate a rated reading (seen as A,B,C,D seen in W & H. greek text). Most of the problems are with translations into English but not all. I have no problem with what books we call inspired today. However there is a question over what is true or fiction in non inspired works as a number I think are of true stories. Also it seems clear to me that there must have been books lost or destroyed threw history. In fact the first book of the bible time wise is said to be Job. What happened to all the works before Noah's flood?

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But please rad it to the end or you will miss some important points.
But you can of course skip side issues and off-topic posts.

reply to post by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet


Hi, Alien,

Guess what? you can still keep believing in Jesus - as I do - but the bible was written by a lot of liars.

So, Jesus will not die along with the bible! Jesus tells the truth!

Originally posted by wigit
Getting rid of Christianity in some ways was a precursor to WW2. Let's hope history isn't repeating itself.

Want something to worry about? Check out Ezekiel 38 & 39.

What is described there hasn't happened yet, but it happens before the "end time" prophecies.

How can there be a conspiracy to destroy the Bible, when it pretty much tells you that in the end the world will reject it and God? It isn't a conspiracy it is God's will so why fight against, it you have already been told it would happen. In all honesty it isn't something that concerns me all that much, it will all be as it has been laid out. Beyond that live your life hold on to your faith and be an example to emulate. Keep an eye on the horizon for what is to come and steer clear of it as possible, and smile not for knowing but take compassion on those that need it. Worry not over what others do, God is quite capable of handling those that would ignore and insult him.

reply to post by catwhoknows


Don't we use the Bible as support for Jesus? I mean if the Bible or Torah in the past was written down and rewritten I can see where you're coming from on this subject.

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
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Don't we use the Bible as support for Jesus? I mean if the Bible or Torah in the past was written down and rewritten I can see where you're coming from on this subject.

bible or torah? huh

the torah is the first 5 books of your bible

funny how moses received the law from god in stone (thou shall not kill) and before he can teach it to anyone, he breaks the tablets and has all the gold calf worshippers killed, exact opposite of what he was just told, hilarious

why cant anyone see pass that F-ed up part of it

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Sorry for my cousins ignorance. He has to much faith and not enough brains to learn anything.
I love when you reply to him. He get's so upset!

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
Sorry for my cousins ignorance. He has to much faith and not enough brains to learn anything.
I love when you reply to him. He get's so upset!

My friend, delighting in another's frustrations is something you will have to overcome if you wish to understand the eight fold path of life. Even Buddha divested himself of such trifling emotions of the lower realm of mind.

Just saying.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


That's true! Sometimes I get over my head. You should already know that. In the mean time I think I might have found the life answers to politics.

reply to post by IAMIAM


i agree

i love that even buddha said do no harm and love the unnamed spirit

wonder if he ever walked on water?

Originally posted by MurderCityDevil
i agree

i love that even buddha said do no harm and love the unnamed spirit

wonder if he ever walked on water?

I don't think he ever needed to. He had friends with boats.



With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by MurderCityDevil


["why cant anyone see pass that']

Why exactly do you think Jesus came or what the New Covenant means, is about and for?

Jesus speaking in John5.45-
But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.

Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven.

Galatians3.17-
The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.

1Corinthians15.45-
So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

Galatinas5.4-
You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

2Corinthians-
Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was, will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?

Galatians3.19-
What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions UNTIL(how long ago was that?) the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels

Hebrews-
to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son

which of the angels did God ever say, "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet" ?

But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.

By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

Romans-
However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.

Philipians-
be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith.

Galatians-
The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."

Hebrews-
And without faith it is impossible to please God

www.biblegateway.com...

Is there a conspiracy? yes, to destroy the bible? No, to destroy both christianity and atheism? A most emphatic yes! Both christian and atheist dogma have been created and used and soon will be taken down for the same purpose, the old testament prophets knew what was going on thats why christians aren't encouraged to read it too closely....

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if you read jeremiah 31:31-40, thats the REAL new covenant, jesus made a blood covenenant
jeremiah 31 has not happened yet and it wont

if you read in some of the early prophets and in the Torah
even moses told pharoah that god said let israel go, my firstborn son

so saying jebus is his only begotten son, is wrong

even in malachi he states have we all not one father? key word "ALL" and "FATHER" we are sons daughters
everyone of us then and WAY before jebus and his magic show

there is no SPECIAL son or sacrifice

if jesus is the word of god, are you saying the word of god DIED for 3 days?

DIED? come on now


also of not jeremiah 31 never states anything about a savior or a messiah or a sacrificial blood bath.

reply to post by MurderCityDevil

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Isaiah-
Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth.

Daniel-
In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Psalm2-
Kiss the Son

Revelation-
the firstborn from the dead

firstborn among many brothers.

Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.

108yo Ultra Orthodox Jewish "Rabbi" admits Jesus is the Messiah

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ok so if the old testament proves jesus is he, lets see the verses that speak of him

we know isaiah 7:14-16 cannot be talking of jesus, cause it says he will do wrong until he learns to do right

i find it sad that you are going to be waiting your entire life for jesus return and he still wont return after that

live life abundantly in love, like he taught, thats how you inherit the kingdom

god is creation which is everywhere, not an invisible man in the sky with hundreds of mansions just chilling to the last horn blows


and just cause 108 year old man says so, doesnt make it true