A Final Warning To All

Originally posted by Earlessteddy
I can hear what you are trying to say, But in your post you ended it though by going against yourself.

No problem my friend. This is why this thread is so long. Clarification is needed, and I stick around to clarifiy points of contention. I love the points you brought up because they are original. So lets dive in shall we.

Originally posted by EarlessteddyThe Kingdom of Heaven (kingdom= land the king owns). God is not a king he does not have any need to wear a crown of jewels and have his creation bow down.

My friend, I said the Kingdom of God is within you. This means God DID create a kingdom. It does not mean that he sits as King over this Kingdom. WE are the Kings and Queens over that kingdom. It was created for and given freely to US. That Kingdom, is our free will. Many reject this kingdom and instead pursue the outer court, that is the world outside. The outer court is full of pleasures and desires and we chase these with our free will. We become slaves to these earthly desires. We build an ego on these desires and the pursuit of them. The ego becomes the gate which bars us from our own God given Kingdom. We no longer look within at the treasure we have, but spend our lives chasing the worthless trinkets in the court yard. Does a King lay his wealth in the court yard for every passerby to scoop up and make off with? No, a wise King holds his treasure deep within his castle walls, and has it gaurded day and night. The ego is our walls and guards. We do not even remember the treasure in our vaults because we have started chasing the pleasures in the court yard.

Originally posted by Earlessteddy
God is not a landowner therefore he does not need a gate, those who have gates are to keep people out.

Many reject this kingdom and instead pursue the outer court, that is the world outside. The outer court is full of pleasures and desires and we chase these with our free will. We become slaves to these earthly desires. We build an ego on these desires and the pursuit of them. The ego becomes the gate which bars us from our own God given Kingdom. We no longer look within at the treasure we have, but spend our lives chasing the worthless trinkets in the court yard. Does a King lay his wealth in the court yard for every passerby to scoop up and make off with? No, a wise King holds his treasure deep within his castle walls, and has it guarded day and night. The ego is our walls and guards. We do not even remember the treasure in our vaults because we have started chasing the pleasures in the court yard.

Originally posted by Earlessteddy
You choose not to have a name, instead you called yourself iamiam." I am" one who has ever seen or spoken to god their heart would be full of joy, you would not even think about asking for his name, nor would one walk away angry.

I use this "Name" that others may realise it is not a "Name" at all. When Moses asked God for a name to tell the people, he said tell them "I AM that I AM". In other words, "Silly Man, I do not need a name, for I AM beyond a name". Thus I AM that I AM is merely a description. Why would God not need a Name? Because he is beyond being named. He is everything. He is within us and without us. God is! To name something is to give power over something. You make it personal, a possession. This is idolotry! God simply is. Now as God is everything, one might ask, "How does one worship God without a name?" You adore everything in existence equally! Give thanks for it being there for everything, EVERYTHING, has a purpose. Man being his greatest creation, most especially is worthy of this adoration. Hence, LOVE each other.

Now, who am I? I am not the name given to me by my parents for I existed before there conceiving me. I am of the same divine spark which brought Adam to life. Yes, even as that divine spark is but the breath of God, eternal in nature, so am I. When this mortal shell has served its divine purpose, it will whither away and die. The breath of life that animates it will still exist till the end of time. therefore, I AM.

Originally posted by Earlessteddy
God is the creator, he is not greedy or a landowner.

Greed, what has God to do with Greed? Everything belongs to him. EVERYTHING. Who has he to have greed over?

Originally posted by Earlessteddy
If God wanted us to spend a lifetime on our knees begging he would not of given us two legs to walk with.

Correct.

Originally posted by Earlessteddy
We have a heart that allows up to pour as much love out to anyone or anything. Even the dead who control all the greed today will never control our hearts.

We have a heart that is expected to pour ALL the love it contains out to EVERYTHING. Even the dead will rise to this expectation before the end of times, for it is God's Law.

Thank you for kicking this thread down the street some more. Please, if there is anything else you feel is contradictory, or that does not make sense, bring it up. I do not walk away angry. I rejoice at the opportunity to share.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by Chinesis
Quoting scripture doesn't denote talking "for" God.
There are those out there who don't even believe in God, or in a God.
These people also deserve the same respect a "believer" has.

This is a point worth saying over and over again. God does not exist because of Man's belief. Only someone who is insecure in his own belief would need challenge a non-believer. Non-believers contribute as much to our growth as do the most devout believers. Without them, we would still be worshipping rocks. It was the non-believer who opened our eyes to just how marvelous this creation is. They have their role in life, just as the believer does. To presume otherwise, is to presume to know the mind of God. That, we cannot claim, even as believers.

Originally posted by Chinesis
I never said it wasn't humble to disagree.
However, doing so with a sharp tongue?

My friend, I do not judge someone for the sharpness of their tongue. It is a necessary part of communication. The sharper the tongue, the greater the confusion between two people. Thus, more effort must be made to clarify each others point of view. The only tongue I worry about, is the sharpness of my own, and I hope it is never honed to the point of inflicting injury.

Originally posted by Chinesis
Not humble.
No matter who "started it" k?

We are all humble my friend. Whether we believe it or not is irrelevant. From the time we are born to the time we die, we are utterly dependant on each other for our survival. We are the only species so ill equiped for our OWN survival. No more humble can one get.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by 547000
Good for you, but I've had discussions with the OP before, and I plainly disagree that you can talk for God or the Holy Spirit because you think it's the same thing as you talking.

Please allow me to elaborate my friend. It is NOT the same as just talking. When one talks he speaks most often at the betterment of his own ego. He speaks for the gain of love and respect for himself. However, if one goes beyond his ego, to the voice within, his "conscience" he can speak that which God tells him to speak.

Here he is not talking for God, but for the audience he is addressing. Everyone can go within, past there own ego, to confirm the message received. There God will confirm or deny the message, and his will be done.

Originally posted by 547000He said it could be made up. I voiced my disagreement. I think there was a spirit that told him explicitly what to write.

My friend, there may have been a spirit that told him explicitly what to write. But does that mean the times never change and new information is needed for differing times?

I was doing some work on my car one day. It is an old beater and I had my trusty "Haines" manual out, for I do things by the book. Well the book told me what part it was that went bad. When I went down to the auto parts store, the part was no longer manufactured. There was a new part. I would hear nothing of this "New" part. I demanded that they produce the old part exactly as my good book required. My car still sits broken.

No judgement here my friend. You know I will converse with you any way you desire.

Judge not, love all, be at peace

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


Hmm, I don't think I am connected to God's mind in a way I can see His thoughts, hence no matter how much I feel something is true inside I cannot claim to speak godly things. I can only give my own thoughts.

Funny, it sounded more like you were saying it was a passage that any man who knows people can make up and write in a way to control others. I merely said it implies there is nothing wrong with eating meat.

Originally posted by 547000
Hmm, I don't think I am connected to God's mind in a way I can see His thoughts, hence no matter how much I feel something is true inside I cannot claim to speak godly things. I can only give my own thoughts.

Don't you have a conscience?

Sure. But it's still not God speaking to you. It's you feeling something. Just because you feel a certain way about something doesn't mean it is necessarily God's opinion. Some people feel a pang of remorse every time they lie, other people don't. Some feel homosexuality is disgusting, other people don't.

The fact is when you're stating something is what you think God would say you're speaking for Him. I think it's a grave error to speak for God unless He really tells you to, not some vague feeling about how you feel things should be. The fact is, unless what you say is true, you're taking God's authority in vain. For the longest time I thought God talking was just a feeling inside and the Holy Spirit was just our souls, that we were composed of the same things as the spirit, and that was the way God communicated with us. I spoke many things I thought were true, then one day I discovered my ideas were wrong, my intuition and feelings were not the true God's, but my own, because I felt the true presence of God, and it was tangible to me, not just some inner feeling. We must be careful not to project our own hopes and desires as His, lest we become false prophets. He created us, but we are not part of Him. He is a distinct entity. His ways are mysteries to us, and the more we think we understand Him, the less we do. You think I wanted to believe God would send a man who is both a savior and above us? My own gut told me that we should be his equals, that there should be no divine hierarchy, but my experience told me otherwise. You can't rely on your own feelings, hopes, or prejudices to tell you what God thinks or want you to say, no matter how much you believe God would agree with you. The most you can do is guess what you think God thinks.

Originally posted by 547000
Sure. But it's still not God speaking to you. It's you feeling something. Just because you feel a certain way about something doesn't mean it is necessarily God's opinion. Some people feel a pang of remorse every time they lie, other people don't. Some feel homosexuality is disgusting, other people don't.

How do you know?

Originally posted by 547000
The fact is when you're stating something is what you think God would say you're speaking for Him.

Yes, and your words only pertain to you. Others are free to follow what God tells them.

Originally posted by 547000
I think it's a grave error to speak for God unless He really tells you to, not some vague feeling about how you feel things should be.

How do you know who God speaks to?

Originally posted by 547000
The fact is, unless what you say is true, you're taking God's authority in vain.

No, taking God's authority in vain is telling others they must follow what God told me. What God tells me, only pertains to me. God tells all what he wants from them. I am only sharing what God told me. Sharing is divine, forcing compliance, is ego.

Originally posted by 547000
For the longest time I thought God talking was just a feeling inside and the Holy Spirit was just our souls, that we were composed of the same things as the spirit, and that was the way God communicated with us. I spoke many things I thought were true, then one day I discovered my ideas were wrong, my intuition and feelings were not the true God's, but my own, because I felt the true presence of God, and it was tangible to me, not just some inner feeling.

All feelings are "Inner" feelings my friend. All sights, are inner sights, and all sounds are inner sounds. We do not see with our eyes or hear with our ears. These functions all take place within us. The ears and eyes are simply a means of conveyance of external stimuli which creates an internal "picture".

Originally posted by 547000
We must be careful not to project our own hopes and desires as His, lest we become false prophets.

Absolutely! Quite the ego, then the voice of God is clear within.

Originally posted by 547000
He created us, but we are not part of Him. He is a distinct entity.

A car is a car, and a bolt is a bolt. However, when a bolt IS part of a car. God is the car, we are the bolt.

Originally posted by 547000
His ways are mysteries to us, and the more we think we understand Him, the less we do.

Absolutely! And the more we stop trying to understand him, and just accept him, the more of his mysteries does he reveal.

Originally posted by 547000
You think I wanted to believe God would send a man who is both a savior and above us?

Who told you anyone was above you? All are equal. It is the ego which which says otherwise. Even Christ said we are all equal, numerous times. In fact, this is why he was a threat to the Roman Empire and the Pharisees, and was consequently put to death.

Originally posted by 547000My own gut told me that we should be his equals, that there should be no divine hierarchy, but my experience told me otherwise.

What experience is greater than your own conscience? Experience is physical and changes over time, conscience is eternal and withstands external stimuli.

Originally posted by 547000
You can't rely on your own feelings, hopes, or prejudices to tell you what God thinks or want you to say, no matter how much you believe God would agree with you.

Absolutely correct again. Feelings, hopes, and prejudices are creatures of the ego. Divest yourself of them, and you will hear what God wants, not what YOU want.

Originally posted by 547000
The most you can do is guess what you think God thinks.

Ah but a guess carries with it doubt. When you KNOW, you have no doubt.

With Love,

Your Brother

If you really want to believe your thoughts are His thoughts and your hopes are His hopes and your ways His ways then follow it to your own folly, I'm not stopping you. Unless God really gave you words to say, you're just projecting your own conscience as God's.

Originally posted by 547000
If you really want to believe your thoughts are His thoughts and your hopes are His hopes and your ways His ways then follow it to your own folly, I'm not stopping you. Unless God really gave you words to say, you're just projecting your own conscience as God's.

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It's fine to disagree my friend, but do not twist what I say when you do it.

Thoughts, hopes, feelings, desires, these are the constructs of the ego. Let go of them, then you hear and speak for God. His hopes are not my hopes, I release my hopes and do only HIS will. My thoughts are not my own thoughts, I release them and do only HIS will.

For example, if I was still following my ego (my own thoughts, feelings, desires, etc.) I would be working as a cryogenics plant manager making at least $65,000.00. I would still be going to my favorite bar on the weekends. I would be a participating member in the system which builds up and maintains my EGO.

Instead, here I am, spending my days sharing a message of unconditional love with all. I sleep on the floor in my fathers basement. I hunger for only world peace because to me, the lessons of war have already been learned. I am not trying to change your mind on anything. I am not trying to sway you from your own path in life. I simply share a message of unconditional love.

Now if you do not think my message of unconditional love comes from God, what kind of message do you suppose YOUR creator sends to you? When you experienced him, what did YOU feel?

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


True love and utter terror. I once said that everyone worships the same God and I felt pure and utter terror. That was a mistake that I learned from. We may not instantly love the idea of a God who should be both loved and feared, but those crazy Jews might have actually been onto something here.

You have a message of love, yet you claim God told you to say it. Did He talk to you and give you words to say? Like mental telepathy? Or you just typing from the heart? There is a difference.

Originally posted by 547000
True love and utter terror.

Interesting my friend. How can true love and utter terror exist together?

Originally posted by 547000We may not instantly love the idea of a God who should be both loved and feared

Please elaborate on how you can do both love and fear something. No disrespect, but this sounds like battered wife syndrome.

Originally posted by 547000
You have a message of love, yet you claim God told you to say it. Did He talk to you and give you words to say? Like mental telepathy? Or you just typing from the heart? There is a difference.

I don't think words can explain it, thus I have no way to prove it to you. This is why I say to you that what God says to you only pertains to you, what he says to me, only pertains to me. The manner in which his message is conveyed is beyond words to describe. I wish I could, but I think one knows when he knows.

How does one express a thought without thinking? Tough eh!

With Love,

Your Brother

I don't know how it's possible, but when I sought Him I found love beyond words, and when I spoke of what I thought may have been true of Him, I also found terror beyond words. I would highly not recommend ignoring the possible second half. God is both loving and something you can feel terrified by. The juxtaposition of these two opposites is unbelievable until you really experience it. One of the reasons why He is mysterious.

I found the NT true, but could also find much wisdom in the OT, though I have to admit I have a hard time believing the Adam and Eve story.

Originally posted by 547000
I don't know how it's possible, but when I sought Him I found love beyond words, and when I spoke of what I thought may have been true of Him, I also found terror beyond words. I would highly not recommend ignoring the possible second half. God is both loving and something you can feel terrified by. The juxtaposition of these two opposites is unbelievable until you really experience it. One of the reasons why He is mysterious.

Interesting my friend. It seems that words fail to adequately describe why you felt the way that you did. Fair enough, and I can understand that. Words are weak at describing anything really. Just bear in mind that your feelings are your own. Not everyone feels the same. Thus:

"when I spoke of what I thought may have been true of Him"

Stop doing the above. What you perceive as true of him is your own personal experience. You cannot speak for others experiences. This may be why you felt fear. I am not saying this IS why you felt fear. That is up to you to decide based on self reflection.

Originally posted by 547000
I found the NT true, but could also find much wisdom in the OT, though I have to admit I have a hard time believing the Adam and Eve story.

Have you looked at teh Adam and Eve story as purely metaphorical?

The fall of man is that Man decided to listen to his ego (the serpent) and judge for himself what is good and evil. Thus, he fell from the garden of Eden (a state of perfection) by his own judgement of everything. In other words, everything was perfect until Man decided it was not. When he did, he feel from God by taking over his role as the judge of good and evil.

Have you ever created something that yo thought was absolutely perfect. Then someone comes along and points out flaws? Sucks doesn't it.

God is the only Judge. Man has created a mess of his Eden by judging things and each other. When we stop judging and just accept that God created it and enjoy it, life is perfect again, and so are you.

But, this is just my interpretation. I too, had problems with the original interpretation. So, I made my own.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by IAMIAM

To name something is to give power over something. You make it personal, a possession.

This makes me think of the story of Rumplestilskin. Also it brings to mind the story of Jacob wrestling with the angel because the angel would not reveal his name. How can you apply this "namelessness" to a real life situation?
If one cannot be summoned by a name, then one would have to somehow be summoned by a description. Then, the description serves as a "name". So how does one really become "nameless"?

reply to post by Alethea


There is only one that is nameless...and this one is within us all, we are also of this one.

Spirit, is nameless...not bounded to human things like language. Before mankind....what would be the Holy Spirits name? It just was, the essence that holds the potential of life, the one that is within all life, without it, nothing is except it, the IAM.

IAM is yet a description...but not a name. As soon as we try to name it, we bound it, we limit Thee.

Again...there is only one that is nameless. You have a name...but the Spirit within you does not. We can use many words to try to describe its perfection, its 'infinite' self , I call it simply 'Thee'.

How do you name something that always has been and will always be? Before all languages and after all languages cease. It still just 'IS'. I try not to use the word 'God' to describe 'Thee' for the word 'God' is highly distorted with many different images. How do you name, what is pure and holy and what 'was' before any humans were here to utter a word?

Just thoughts

Originally posted by 547000
I don't know how it's possible, but when I sought Him I found love beyond words, and when I spoke of what I thought may have been true of Him, I also found terror beyond words. I would highly not recommend ignoring the possible second half. God is both loving and something you can feel terrified by. The juxtaposition of these two opposites is unbelievable until you really experience it. One of the reasons why He is mysterious.

I found the NT true, but could also find much wisdom in the OT, though I have to admit I have a hard time believing the Adam and Eve story.

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When I went by the Bible...I had distortions in my view of 'God'...so I did feel fear. When I emptied that cup and went to Thee without any preconceived thoughts of what Thee's nature was....I found only love and acceptance.

Now...I can say, once one realizes that Thee knows every thought, every actions, every behavior....that I suppose can create fear....but when you experience the understanding of Thee in all of those thoughts you have...the love burst forth and you fall to your knees, out of humble grace and mercy that is upon you.

Its understood why we do what we do...and if one seeks, we are continually guided to face those things and be shown why we thought or did what we did.

Thee turns away from no one....for Thee is within all of us. Waiting, patiently, for us to really seek Thee's true nature.

Unconditional love is the vibration of Thee

You will be harder on yourself, then Thee will be on you. It will be Thee's love for you that helps you stand, when you are hard on yourself.

reply to post by IAMIAM


You should be a priest. WHY, because you always have alot to say. A man who always has alot to say wants to be listened to all the time. You want to be listened to, so you speak alot and write alot. Many, many words. If i were you, but not limited to, respected to, wanting,needing, the words of speech, to tell you, many subjects of the mind,for your attention, for which you deserve, a kind heart and mind, to speek out how you feel, this is like it is, for you are of speech to help others, listen to me now.

Originally posted by Alethea
If one cannot be summoned by a name, then one would have to somehow be summoned by a description. Then, the description serves as a "name". So how does one really become "nameless"?

You do not summon God my friend nor do you request favors. All that you need God grants you before you know you need it. Have faith in him and give thanks for what you are given. That is enough.

How does one become nameless? You exist before the concept of naming began.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by nite owl
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

You should be a priest. WHY, because you always have alot to say. A man who always has alot to say wants to be listened to all the time. You want to be listened to, so you speak alot and write alot. Many, many words. If i were you, but not limited to, respected to, wanting,needing, the words of speech, to tell you, many subjects of the mind,for your attention, for which you deserve, a kind heart and mind, to speek out how you feel, this is like it is, for you are of speech to help others, listen to me now.

Thank you my friend, I have been a Priest in my day. That is behind me now though. Now I have one message and I only stick around to elaborate on it and clarify it for others. Soon, this thread will have run its course, or I will be called elsewhere to do what it is that I am asked to do. Then, I will be silent, if it is God's will.

Now if you desire to share something of your mind and heart, by all means jump right in. This is a shared experience of which I am only a participant.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by IAMIAM


You do not summon God my friend nor do you request favors.

How does one become nameless? You exist before the concept of naming began.

That is not my question. I am referring to us as human beings and the fact that our names have actually become registered titles. Upon relinquishing one's title, how should a human being find a word with which to distinguish himself without it being a "name", since, in your words "having a name gives one power over you"?