8.28.10 - Celebrate the Dream, Reject the Nightmare

If you break through all the claptrap rhetoric, I actually agree with Glenn Beck on many of his positions.

However, he presents his ideas in such a haphazard way he makes it very difficult to watch him.

I take the best from everyone. I also listen to Alex Jones and David Icke, and while I also agree with many of their positions, quite a bit of what they say is pure hogwash.

Originally posted by camaro68ss
Dude glen beck is not in power

Glenn Beck has a lot of power because people actually think he believes what he says.

He might be delusional, but it is a lot more likely that he is just an entertainer trying to make money.

He is the epitome of "divide and conquer" politics.

He makes money off the ridiculous and purposeful polarization of American legislation.

He is literally a personification of corporate controlled media.

Just so we're clear, MLK was no saint behind closed doors. He was just as mortal as any other man.

People can bring up many faults with Beck, so why don't we introduce some of MLK's darkside.

MLK's Dark side



[edit on 27-8-2010 by An_Alien]

reply to post by mothershipzeta


Beck and those who choose to join him are simply enjoying liberties given them in our Constitution. I've seen far more violence and venom from his opponents than I've seen from him. I'm not a fan, but I have nothing against him or the people who are.

The question is, are you for or against people practicing free speech? You can't have it both ways. Lord knows his opponents have practiced their rights to the limit. They even pepper the entire Internet with hate speech about him at a level that is almost unprecedented when it comes to a simple opinion show host.

In watching this unfold I've seen hypocrisy at a level I had no idea existed. People exercising their right to speak freely, demanding his same right be withheld. Those who divide us to control us are winning by a landslide and all of us, we loose in the end.

Keep spreading the hatred if it suits you and it will come to define you.

reply to post by An_Alien


Tit for tat is a game with no winners, only losers. It's a game played by fools.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by An_Alien

 

Tit for tat is a game with no winners, only losers. It's a game played by fools.

Just bringing things into context. The OP clearly uses MLK's most prominent moments as the fodder for the thread. Likewise, the OP only refers to Beck's failures or downfalls.

What's the problem with pointing out that MLK was no saint as presented in the thread?

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by DocEmrick
but comparing him to Glenn Beck is like comparing a Lexus to a Kia.

[edit on 27-8-2010 by DocEmrick]

I believe that's exactly the point being made.

Beck plays some big American hero fighting for the people when history teaches us that he's simply a jester.

He is an opportunist and someone who wants to make as much money as possible before people start tuning him out. The majority of his demographic is the elderly, right?

Originally posted by Section31
reply to post by schallb

 

Is it okay or not okay to have an alternative opinion? Do we all have to have the same world philosophy?

[edit on 27-8-2010 by Section31]

It is most certainly okay to have an alternate opinion. This is the problem, according to the pundits on Fox, Beck included, their opinions are the only "right" ones, and to disagree is to be unamerican at best, at worst a communist or (shudder) a muslim. I'm a fundamentalist Christian, evangelical to the core. I was saved in an Assembly of God
in 1967 at the age of six. I grew up an evangelical. I married an evangelical, and try to live my life as I think God would want me to. In the last 10 years I've watched the Republican party, to which I used to belong, paint themselves as the Christian Right. This was a smart move, as it lends itself to the idea that if you're not one of them, you must not be a Christian. I've also watched with horror as droves of my brothers and sisters have swallowed this hogwash hook, line, and sinker. The Republican party of today is nothing more than advocates of the rich, big business, and anyone who can line their pockets. I've known people like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, and they are the worst kind of Christians. Self serving, self aggrandizing, and totally incapabable of listening to the spirit of God. They're too busy trying to put their words in God's mouth.
Hello, people, Christianity and capitalism have absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH ONE ANOTHER. Jesus referred to the conservatives and religious leaders of his day as a "generation of vipers". It was true then and it's true now. If Glenn Beck were listening to God he'd sell everything he owns and give it to the poor. If Sarah Palin were a handmaiden of Christ she wouldn't mock and ridicule anyone who disagrees with her. I've watched this farce unfold and it astounds me that anyone with an ounce of intelligence swallows all this tripe. Constitutionality? Most of the people spouting garbage about the constitution wouldn't know it if you hit them in the face with it. The founding Fathers were Deists, not Christians. There's a painting in the capitol of George Washington ascending to Godhood, for crying out loud. Look up some facts, people, all it takes is a little bit of time to find out that most of the rhetoric these people spout is utter nonsense or outright lies. Stop being lazy and letting them spoon feed
you codswallop. I'll probably get totally flamed for this, but per my observations, Barack Obama is 1000 times the Christian than either Beck or Palin. If he were Muslim, he wouldn't have been seen taking communion at a Methodist church this past Easter. And it wouldn't matter if he were, there can be no religious "test". And yes, I personally think the Muslim religion is wrong, as in erroneous. I feel the same way about alot of religions/sects. Guess what? I'm not God, and religous freedom is just that, religious freedom. We have to allow each other the privilege of thinking that we're right. Therefore, the whole Mosque controversy is moot. It's not a Christian nation, even though my tendancy once was to wish that it were. However, seeing as Christians can be the biggest jerks in the world, it's probably a good thing it's a Free Country instead. In conclusion, if they come in the name of the Lord and don't bear his fruits, they are the antichrist.

edited to try to fix all the mistakes made by trying to type too fast and too loud.


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reply to post by OneNationUnder


Do you REALLY believe Glenn Beck is doing this for ANY reason except to line his own pockets an to spew even more right wing hate than he already spews everyday? If you do I hope the kool-aid tastes good cause its just as poison as the stuff they served in Jonestown many years ago.

MLK You tubed

I appreciate what this man, and millions of Americans did and SACRIFICED on their bodies, in their communities, and jobs and business for me to be able to live my life the way I'am able to now. Mr. Beck and all of his followers combined, can never demean the message and lessons taught of this period in our history whether this is the intent or not. They don't have the power. They can't "reclaim" anything that is not already theirs. If tolerance is not within them already, if the belief that all men are equal is not in them already, than it's just a waste of money on a bus ticket to D.C., to see a radio disc jockey. Meanwhile, Happy anniversary to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, and to all those unrecognized by name who particpated in this beautiful inspirational march on our capital. Especially my father who was there.

The only problem with 8-28 is the fact that there will be 200,000+ people gathered to show the current congress, senate, and administration what's coming this November.

I have no problem with the way this gathering has been promoted. It is primarily grassroots funded and built. If you have a problem with a family-friendly gathering of people who wish to speak their free mind then that is your issue. The constitution allows it, and I'm happy for that.

People think something is wrong. It can be seen in Obama's failing approval rating and faith in the current legislators. I may not agree with Glenn Beck in any way, shape, or form, but I'm happy that people are standing up in one way or another to stand against a terrible administration.

The claims that Beck is acting "Messianic" is complete hogwash. Many people point to miracles in their life. Many people hope great things will happen and God will use them. Just because someone states God is speaking through them and using them for great things means nothing. It is the expectation of those who adhere to the Christian faith that God would use them. Throughout the entirety of the Bible God uses the lowliest of people, the greatest of sinners, the idiots, the crippled, the poor, the drunks, the tax collectors, to do great things. It is a theme throughout scripture that God will redeem, restore, rebuild, repair, and use people.

Personally, I have never seen so much racism and reverse racism in my lifetime. Both sides are guilty of making race an issue where it is not. It is ridiculous on all levels and constantly pulling out the race card is only increasing division and racism throughout this country. Glenn claims it was an accident having his rally on the same day of King's speech.

mediamatters.org...

It seems highly unlikely, but throughout this fiasco Martin Luther King Jr. was not mentioned by Beck in reference to his rally until the media brought the date into question.

Originally posted by DocEmrick
I'm all for celebrating Martin Luther King Jr.'s contributions to society, but comparing him to Glenn Beck is like comparing a Lexus to a Kia.

[edit on 27-8-2010 by DocEmrick]

Isn't that kind of harsh on Kia?

I mean really. Did their car kill your mother or something?

Originally posted by Bugman82
Personally, I have never seen so much racism and reverse racism in my lifetime. Both sides are guilty of making race an issue where it is not. It is ridiculous on all levels and constantly pulling out the race card is only increasing division and racism throughout this country. Glenn claims it was an accident having his rally on the same day of King's speech.

mediamatters.org...

It seems highly unlikely, but throughout this fiasco Martin Luther King Jr. was not mentioned by Beck in reference to his rally until the media brought the date into question.

Wrong, I heard it out of the man's own mouth
"We are going to take the civil rights movement back".

Which one is he referring to? Not one on this planet. If Glenn Beck wants to compare Abraham Lincoln, a Republican, yes, to the Republicans of today he's even more insane than I thought. There is little to no comparison. If the Republicans of today had their way I'm sure slavery would be alive and well.

As far as people thinking something is wrong, you're correct. This is why I switched parties after 25 years. Handing the country back to the people who ran it into the ground is most certainly not the answer.

[edit on 27-8-2010 by staver]

Originally posted by Bugman82
Glenn claims it was an accident having his rally on the same day of King's speech.

mediamatters.org...

It seems highly unlikely, but throughout this fiasco Martin Luther King Jr. was not mentioned by Beck in reference to his rally until the media brought the date into question.

In 28 years, I've never remembered MLK day, so I think it seems highly likely.

If anything, this should be a non-issue. MLK day was about uniting people as one and being equal, right? I'm sure Jr. would be proud to see someone following his dream to unite the people.

"Throughout history America has seen many great leaders and noteworthy citizens change her course. It is through their personal virtues and by their example that we are able to live as a free people. On August 28, come celebrate America by honoring our heroes, our heritage and our future."

That's the first paragraph of Becks' "Restoring Honor Rally" description.

www.glennbeck.com...

Would it be outrageous if Beck honored MLK on that day at that rally? Along with ALL OTHERS who helped change the history and course of the country? Is Sharpton upset because whitey is trying to pursue something outside of his agenda? MLK day is supposed to be a day for tolerance and unification. Unfortunately, it seems to be driving us apart...

Bugman, this isn't all directed at you, I just happened to start with that snip of your post to start.

[edit on 27-8-2010 by An_Alien]

reply to post by tspark


I love how you intolerant Christians tell us how great someone is for telling us how we need to "fall to our religious morals", all this grandiose language about how much we need to embrace the Bible. I can't believe how stupid you people are. You follow Beck and the Bible like sheep.

Get a clue, buddy:
the only reason Glenn Beck does what he does is the $$$$ and ego boost it gets him. He bleats on and on and drums up hate and controversey by bashing on our President by saying that he has a "deep-seated hatred of white people" when our President is half-white, he lies on air, starts his own sham University and only wants to share his maximum truth with you when you pay 75 bucks for a membership to his website. If being Karl Marx were profitable, then Glenn Beck would be preaching communism now, guarenteed. But he has you suckered into listening to his every word, treating him as a Messiah. God, I will never be able to understand you people--so sheltered, scared of minorties and different experinces that you are forced to hang on the every word of some caracature of a pundit who says things expressely to drive up ratings and piss you off. I guarentee you, the way this country will go to a civil war and into a Nazi Germany esque state is because of people like Glenn Beck. And I'm pretty sure it's too late to stop it.

What a weird world it is today. People are pissed off, and consider it an insult, that Beck is holding a rally on the same day, and at the same site of the MLK speech. Yet few seem pissed or insulted that they are building a Mosque at the site of the 9/11 terror attacks.

reply to post by tspark


Amen...

I have yet to find fault with Glenn's message. He presents facts and quotes his sources. I really don't get all the hate. He is a patriot and loves his country and he is clearly distraught over the direction it is taking. How can anybody find fault with that?

And for those of you who post quotes of a pretend "news man" from a comedy channel...please. Are you serious? I can't take Jon Stewart any more serious than I would Bill Maher or Tina Fey. How you can link to a "source" such as Comedy Central is beyond words. No wonder we ended up with such a loser for a president...one only has to look at our voter base.

[edit on 28-8-2010 by General.Lee]

reply to post by tspark


I've read entire chapters and...

It was still pretty #ing bad.

reply to post by General.Lee

And for those of you who post quotes of a pretend "news man" from a comedy channel...please. Are you serious? I can't take Jon Stewart any more serious than I would Bill Maher or Tina Fey. How you can link to a "source" such as Comedy Central is beyond words. No wonder we ended up with such a loser for a president...one only has to look at our voter base.

Because just like Glenn Back, John Stewart is an entertainer and not a news man.

But unlike Glenn Beck, the fans of John Stewart understand that it's a comedy show and to not take it too seriously.

Fans of Glenn Beck tend to take everything Beck says as gospel.

reply to post by General.Lee



He hijacked the tea party movement, making what could have grown to be a successful third party into Neo-Con 1.5

Or that he gets on TV and rants about stuff (WHAT IS THIS ABOUT SOURCES?!) then doesn't actually back them up with anything but his own fake tears.