8.28.10 - Celebrate the Dream, Reject the Nightmare

Originally posted by tspark
Can you prove the president isn't a racist...

Did Beck ever prove the president was racist? Or did he simply suggest it?

Once asked to prove that one isn't a racist, anything can be seen as an act to hide said racism.

So, if someone called you a racist, could you prove that you weren't a racist?

[edit on 8/27/2010 by eNumbra]

Originally posted by tallcool1
Interesting though that Alveda King, MLK Jr's neice, is a Beck supporter and friend and will also be at the gathering tomorrow speaking.

Not that I'm saying anything pro or con about Glenn Beck - I'm just pointing out that interesting little fact.

edited for spelling

[edit on 27-8-2010 by tallcool1]

yep...i saw this too.....

It will be a GREAT event

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by tspark
Can you prove the president isn't a racist...

Did Beck ever prove the president was racist? Or did he simply suggest it?

Once asked to prove that one isn't a racist, anything can be seen as an act to hide said racism.

So, if someone called you a racist, could you prove that you weren't a racist?

[edit on 8/27/2010 by eNumbra]

Nope sure can't...

Perhaps everyone is racist...it's just the amount of pressure that is needed to make it surface.... the events that are needed for someone to cross those invisible social barriers...could be different for everyone ...

some they wear it like a shirt....others bury deep down

some show it every day...others perhaps never show it....

[edit on 27-8-2010 by tspark]

reply to post by kosmicjack


You said:
"Well he's on record as saying that anyone who believes what he says is an idiot."

Another partial quote. It's amazing that you would leave out the rest:
"Do your own research and confirm the facts"

He has never had a call on his 'red phone' disputing ANY of his 'facts' His accuracy and research is what pisses off the Progressives. Like Glenn always says "Do the research"

[edit on 27-8-2010 by Mutant] to correct grammar

[edit on 27-8-2010 by Mutant]

Glenn Beck profits off the "divide and conquer" strategy of American corporate control politics.

This is pretty obvious...

Originally posted by mothershipzeta

Originally posted by OneNationUnder
Instead of spewing hate, try to gather some people in a positive way, like Beck or MLK.

Yes, Glenn Beck. The epitome of positivity and tolerance. Not a spewer of hate.

"This president I think has exposed himself over and over again as a guy who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture....I'm not saying he doesn't like white people, I'm saying he has a problem. This guy is, I believe, a racist."

"I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. ... No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this wrong?" - musing about what he would do for $50 million

"When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining." – Sept. 9, 2005

"The only [Katrina victims] we're seeing on television are the scumbags." – Sept. 9, 2005

"I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today." –on why people who lost their homes in forest fires in California had it coming, Oct. 22, 2007

"I have been nervous about this interview with you because what I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies. ... And I know you're not. I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way." –interviewing Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), the first Muslim U.S. congressman, Nov. 14, 2006

"Al Gore's not going to be rounding up Jews and exterminating them. It is the same tactic, however. The goal is different. The goal is globalization...And you must silence all dissenting voices. That's what Hitler did. That's what Al Gore, the U.N., and everybody on the global warming bandwagon [are doing]." – May 1, 2007

"So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research. ... Eugenics. In case you don't know what Eugenics led us to: the Final Solution. A master race! A perfect person. ... The stuff that we are facing is absolutely frightening." - March 9, 2009

Either way, you're sleeping so hopefully you will awaken soon. Good luck with that.

Matthew 7:5

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

Wheres your links to said text?

reply to post by mothershipzeta


I will be the first to admit I am by no means a main stream religious man. In fact lately I have my doubts about a "creator". But what on earth would him giving thanks to something he believes in have anything derogatory to do with what he has planned for 8/28? Your grabbing at straws and it looks kinda pathetic from my point of view. Perhaps he has an agenda one that includes giving back to the community. Would that be such a bad thing in these troubled times we live in?

Originally posted by tspark
if you watched him...instead of taking everyone else slant.... then you not need me to give you examples....

Can you prove the president isn't a racist...

Can you prove that Glenn Beck isn't one?

See how difficult it is to prove a negative? Too bad Glenn didn't provide any evidence to back up his claim.

and the eugenics programs were widely sought after by more than the Nazis....the nazis are just the most notoriously evil group....the eugenics people are still out there...

True...but Glenn Beck is equating stem cell research with eugenics, which is flat-out stupid.

Stem cells are cells that can create cells different from themselves. Thus, the research with stem cells involves trying to grow replacement tissues for people who need them. That is NOT eugenics, no matter what Glenn Beck says.

Genetic research? Sure, you could argue the idea of eugenics with that, since you're looking at what genes are "desirable" and "non-desirable."

But Glenn is either ignorant or lying when he claims that stem cell research involves eugenics. It's just another of his scare tactics. The other possibility is that he's just completely incompetent about the subject.

Originally posted by jaynkeel
reply to post by mothershipzeta

 

I will be the first to admit I am by no means a main stream religious man. In fact lately I have my doubts about a "creator". But what on earth would him giving thanks to something he believes in have anything derogatory to do with what he has planned for 8/28?

When anyone starts saying God is speaking through him, and thus that God has ordained the event he is organizing, it's a good idea to be VERY suspicious of the guy who claims divine inspiration.

Your grabbing at straws and it looks kinda pathetic from my point of view.

"I said, 'I can feel it coming. It's darkness, and I can just feel it coming.' And I -- I started to say -- I said, 'The problem is, is that--' and I stopped, because I don't want to utter something like this without really thinking it through. But I was about to say, 'the problem is, is that God is giving a plan, I think, to me that is not really a plan.' "The plan that He would have me articulate, I think, to you, is get behind Me -- and I don't mean 'me,' I mean Him. Get behind Me. Stand behind Me." - Glenn Beck

"I am only writing a few bullet points, and I am doing that so I don't get in the way of the Spirit in case He wants to talk. I would ask that you pray for me...that I would be able to hear, because sometimes He's screaming at me and I still can't hear it." - Glenn Beck, regarding his speech for the 8/28 rally

Talking to God is fine. But when you start claiming that He's talking back, then everyone had better be skeptical lest they put on their Nikes and wait for the Mother Ship.

Perhaps he has an agenda one that includes giving back to the community. Would that be such a bad thing in these troubled times we live in?

That sounds like...progressivism or community organizing. I heard those things are bad.

Originally posted by jaynkeel
Wheres your links to said text?

Each one is sourced with a link at the following page:

politicalhumor.about.com...

That's a Great Poster, I Love It! I think it could be improved just a little by referencing Kings fondness for plagiarism and viciously beating white prostitutes.

reply to post by mothershipzeta


Get some context with those bytes.
It's truly sad.

Originally posted by tspark

Originally posted by mothershipzeta
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Either Glenn Beck's messianic complex is worsening, or he's just as much of a grifter as Sarah Palin. But dragging MLK into it all is disgusting.

So What has Glenn said that makes you think that he believes he is the messiah? Just one phrase where he claims it

No really just one....



it will be a great event....



All i ever hear him speaking to those who have seemingly lost Faith, or placed our Faith in other gods before the one true God...

All i ever hear him ask is for us to bring our hearts back into alignment with the morals of our religious Faith

Have our hearts been sooooo hardened by sin and unbelief... that we can't hear the call to Faith.....the Call to make that stand in a very Dark and trying time....

Jesus said "Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

All i have ever heard him say is "We are headed for Dark, Dark times people....and that God is our only way out"

Are we believing the delusion? that everything is OK....
Are we turning a blind eye to the corruption, if so we are no better....

All i ever hear him say is WAKE UP America....

All i ever heard is prepare for the Hard times to come...to not "eat, drink and be merry.."....meassges like "Love your neighbor as yourself..."

All he ever gets in return from those that "have eyes but cannot see" and "have ears but cannot hear" is persecution....and ridicule.... his message goes out to those of FAITH.... WAKE UP......and DO WHAT IS RIGHT....

Glenn is not the messiah...never claimed to be....those are words from his persecutors

If your heart is hardened ...and you can't hear the message Glen is proclaiming ...for it is the same message....Jesus and the apostles taught...

then first perhaps we need we need to examine our convictions before we condemn and ridicule and persecute others...


EDITED to FIX MY BLUNDER.....:>





[edit on 27-8-2010 by tspark]

Originally posted by Mutant
reply to post by kosmicjack
He has never had a call on his 'red phone' disputing ANY of his 'facts'

That phone is supposedly for the White House to call him to dispute any of his claims. Delusions of grandeur, anyone?

Like Glenn always says "Do the research"

We do. And the research usually shows that he's either a lying fraud or delusional.

But, he's just an entertainer, so whatever.

www.forbes.com...

Beck insists that he is not political: "I could give a flying crap about the political process." Making money, on the other hand, is to be taken very seriously, and controversy is its own coinage. "We're an entertainment company," Beck says. He has managed to monetize virtually everything that comes out of his mouth.

www.politicususa.com...

Beck got called out on his lie, and Barbara Walters said, “You are an investigative reporter.” Beck said, “No, I am not.” She said, “You are a reporter.” Beck said, “No, I am not.” She asked, “So, you check no facts at all?” Beck said, “No, I am a commentator. I commentate on life.” Barbara Walters then asked Beck numerous times if he checks his facts, and he wouldn’t answer her question.

Basically, Whoopi Goldberg and Barbara Walters got on a train car with him. Then, on his radio show, he claimed that their seats were "reserved" for them and he was told he couldn't sit in them. In the video at the above link, he admitted that he "mischaracterized" the story on his radio show. No, that's called "lying."

Why would he lie about something so insignificant? It's something a pathological liar would do. Perhaps he's incapable of being honest.

How many times does he have to be busted for his hucksterism before you people will realize he's just taking your money and laughing all the way to the bank?

Originally posted by tspark

Originally posted by mothershipzeta
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Either Glenn Beck's messianic complex is worsening, or he's just as much of a grifter as Sarah Palin. But dragging MLK into it all is disgusting.

So What has Glenn said that makes you think that he believes he is the messiah? Just one phrase where he claims it

No really just one....



it will be a great event....



All i ever hear him speaking to those who have seemingly lost Faith, or placed our Faith in other gods before the one true God...

All i ever hear him ask is for us to bring our hearts back into alignment with the morals of our religious Faith

Have our hearts been sooooo hardened by sin and unbelief... that we can't hear the call to Faith.....the Call to make that stand in a very Dark and trying time....

Jesus said "Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

All i have ever heard him say is "We are headed for Dark, Dark times people....and that God is our only way out"

Are we believing the delusion? that everything is OK....
Are we turning a blind eye to the corruption, if so we are no better....

All i ever hear him say is WAKE UP America....

All i ever heard is prepare for the Hard times to come...to not "eat, drink and be merry.."....meassges like "Love your neighbor as yourself..."

All he ever gets in return from those that "have eyes but cannot see" and "have ears but cannot hear" is persecution....and ridicule.... his message goes out to those of FAITH.... WAKE UP......and DO WHAT IS RIGHT....

Glenn is not the messiah...never claimed to be....those are words from his persecutors

If your heart is hardened ...and you can't hear the message Glen is proclaiming ...for it is the same message....Jesus and the apostles taught...

then first perhaps we need we need to examine our convictions before we condemn and ridicule and persecute others...


EDITED to FIX MY BLUNDER.....:> Ask not what your country can do for you,
ask what you can do for your country.........JFK





[edit on 27-8-2010 by tspark]

Originally posted by arcnaver
reply to post by mothershipzeta

 

Get some context with those bytes.
It's truly sad.

In the full context, did he then say that the president wasn't really racist? Or that Californians really don't hate America? Or that he wasn't really sick of the 9/11 families?

Wait...I get it.

He's Andy Kaufman.

BRAVO! Good to have you back, Andy. I could do with a little less crocodile tears, but that's your schtick.

He's probably Sarah Palin too. I bet Glenn and Sarah won't be on the stage simultaneously.

Originally posted by mistafaz
reply to post by mothershipzeta

 

"Glenn Beck" just HAS to be someone's persona, the greatest of all time, because stuff like this just can't happen in the real world without a full staff of comedic writers!

S+F

NOW I see your post. You called it, even if you didn't name Andy Kaufman.

Ok, before dismissing the event outright because of your hatred for Glenn Beck, please look at the message of the event and go from there. You may dislike Beck, but the message and purpose of this event seems to be one that transcends politics to me:

EVENT DESCRIPTION

Throughout history America has seen many great leaders and noteworthy citizens change her course. It is through their personal virtues and by their example that we are able to live as a free people. On August 28, come celebrate America by honoring our heroes, our heritage and our future.

Join the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and many more for this non-political event that pays tribute to America’s service personnel and other upstanding citizens who embody our nation’s founding principles of integrity, truth and honor.

Our freedom is possible only if we remain virtuous. Help us restore the values that founded this great nation. On August, 28th, come join us in our pledge to restore honor at the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC.

Link

And the mission statement of the Special Operations Warrior Foundation also seems like something that transcends politics:

The Special Operations Warrior Foundation provides full scholarship grants and educational and family counseling to the surviving children of special operations personnel who die in operational or training missions and immediate financial assistance to severely wounded special operations personnel and their families.

Link

So while yes Glenn Beck is admittedly conservative (Libertarian), this even and its message does seem to be one that transcends politics. The event has speakers of many races and political ideologies, not just conservative. Also, everyone I know, from liberals to conservatives agree that the US govt has gone too far and needs to be reformed. Everyone agrees its too powerful and its grown beyond its intended size and power. Just because an event is planned by someone you dislike should not mean that you automatically disparage it. So please try to be a little more open-minded. Its not about Glenn Beck, its about the message of the event and the content of the words spoken by those at the event. We should all be able to get behind those things.

[edit on 27-8-2010 by johnny2127]

reply to post by mothershipzeta


I often find Glenn Beck to be annoying. But one thing that makes me appreciate him is his willingness to openly ponder conspiracy topics that we see on ATS. No other media figure would touch the whole Bilderberg, or FEMA camps thing with a 10 ft pole. He discusses fringe topics, daily. That to me is strange, especially coming from a conservative media source (FOX NEWS).

I dont know if thats his way of making money, or if he is genuinely concerned (as he wants us all to believe) with these issues. Regardless, I get the feeling from him that he's not all bad. Maybe he does want to do some good in the world. Should he be enticing us to compare him to MLK? Certainly not. Is this discussion giving him attention? You bet it is.

Maybe this goes down that path of "no such thing as bad publicity"

You know, I have never understood America's idolitry of MLK. The guy was a charismatic speaker. Aside from that, virtually everything said about the man is happenstance and presumptory. There's a reason why the courts ordered the FBI files on his life sealed until 2027. The most likely reason is that publicizing them likely would lead to lessening his impact as a martyr for the civil rights movement. What has been leaked by his colleagues about the life he lead when cameras weren't on him paints the picture of a womanizing, misogynistic individual who in no way practiced what he preached. It also was discovered in the late 80's that the man's entire Doctoral Thesis, which was being prepared for release as a post humus book, was plagarised. This story generated a brief buzz and was then swept under the rug. In fact, some recent biographers have gone so far as to declare special rules for King stating that he had a lifelong track record of skillfully "borrowing" powerfull components of other's words and melding them together ("merging voices") in such a way that it should not be considered plagarism. The federal investigation into his assassination produced a scenario in which the man who took the rap for shooting him (James Earl Ray... ironically cousin of Lee Harvey Oswald) couldn't have been the killer. Not only has he always maintained his innocence, but he has essentially convinced some members of King's family of the same. The whole scene reeks of a situation in which the "real" MLK Jr. presented a potential problem for the PTB behind the civil rights movement, thus he was of more use to them dead.

The message was spectacular. That is where the praise should be. On the words and the concepts King borrowed from multiple sources, not upon the borrower himself merely because he had a smooth delivery.