Get Your Permit: Silver Iodide Weather Modification is REAL

Originally posted by neformore
Thing is Sri, if you read the thread, not one person is saying that weather modification isn't real.

Weather modification has been going on for years.

"Chemtrails" of the lines in the sky variety, born out of ignorance, paranoia and lies are a different subject altogether.

There are plenty in the audience who at this juncture are either unaware or coming to terms with the fact that weather modification is real, large in scale, and using... well toxicity is in the dose.... chemical agents. If nothing else I say: "Hello young 5th grader... welcome to weather science class." To them I say, "howdy, whatcha think of that? Important tidbit, no?"

I think the subject of whether the lines we see in the sky are chemtrails or not is up to debate. I don't know. I have no proof. I can't get up there to measure anything.

OBFUSCATION

I just want to make something VERY CLEAR because I believe there is massive disinformation generated by the "chemtrail vs contrail conspiracy" and that is:

IT HAPPENS ,else stand ye up and say it doesn't.

AIR PLANES OFTEN drop MASSIVE quantities of SILVER IODIDE, TRIMETHYL ALUMINUM, BARIUM, and PROPANE, into the SKY over large areas of North America, through state sponsored WEATHER MODIFICATION programs.

PERIOD.

Whether we can see this happening from the ground...
I don't know... I wouldn't be surprised...

Whether or not it makes people sick...
I don't know... I think it might.

Whether or not the next sexy image with chemtrails/contrails is proof or not of the dumping of MASSIVE quantities of SILVER IODIDE, TRIMETHYL ALUMINUM, BARIUM, and PROPANE, into the SKY over large areas of North America, through state sponsored WEATHER MODIFICATION programs...

I don't know... its up to debate.

MY POINT IS WE DO NOT NEED SUCH PROOF. It happens. It is a matter of fact.

This thread is to cut through the tin foil on this subject and GET DOWN TO THE CONCRETE FACTS regardless of visible or invisible:

I myself have made a paradigm shift or two myself within the timeframe of authoring this thread, so I apologize if any editing I've done to this point has confused anyone as to my purpose.

The purpose of this thread:

is to distil the subject of "chemtrail"
from the subject of "dumping weather modification chemicals into the sky".

The "visibility of chemtrails" vs. "are they just contrails" debate simply OBFUSCATES the subject WE SHOULD be discussing.

THIS IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD:

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Well....since you put it like that.....FINE!
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Now, I will still say that the vast majority of what people see is "Contrails" and not some chemical.
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"Chemtrails" people see in the sky still don't exist, they are seeing "Contrails."

But, I can now FULLY ADMIT admit that there is much more weather modification and chemicals being put into the air than what I was aware of!!

ONE CONVERTED.
ONE ONCE DISTRACTED;
NOW SEEING THE TRUTH.


SOMEBODY NEW TO CONSIDER THE NOTION:

I can now fully admit that there is much more
weather modification chemicals
being put into the air than what I was aware of.

and SINCE THEY ARE
dumping of MASSIVE quantities of
SILVER IODIDE, TRIMETHYL ALUMINUM, BARIUM, and PROPANE,
into the SKY over large areas of North America,
through state sponsored WEATHER MODIFICATION programs,

should I be CONCERNED???

SOMEBODY NEW BEYOND THE PARADIGM:

"...they're no such thing as chemtrails man... thats fake.... its all just contrails... simple science, water vortexes... Its just a big internet hoax... end of story"



Sri Oracle

it takes editing to make bb code look nice and to spell correcttededly thanks for reading


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reply to post by Sri Oracle


Yay.

Without a doubt..well, just the one doubt..the reason why.

Good Thread S.O., thanks for posting.

reply to post by neformore


A lot of people are still denying that state approved and sponsored spraying projects are going on.

So I definately see where the OP is coming from.

Cloud seeding is weather modification. Chemtrail believers latch onto some test from 9 year ago as proof of some vast conspiracy, but that was apparently a 1 time test, and it was some test to see if enough absorent material could be dropped to have an effect. Thats pretty unlikely, and the company looks like it went out of business too.

There are billions, probably trillions of tons of water in a hurricane. A putting a relatively small amount of absorbent material into it is like pissing in a monsoon, no effect.

And its not proof of some vast sekrit chemtrail conspiracy

reply to post by firepilot

Cloud seeding is weather modification.

No, really?

You said c-130's weren't used for cloud seeding specifically. I never claimed that they were.

I was talking about weather modification in general.

Chemtrail believers latch onto some test from 9 year ago as proof of some vast conspiracy, but that was apparently a 1 time test, and it was some test to see if enough absorent material could be dropped to have an effect. Thats pretty unlikely, and the company looks like it went out of business too.

I said that judging from the link, jet planes were being used by these companies, and I added that even a c-130 was used.

You chose to focus on the c-130 part and you were wrong.

You are also wrong in saying that it didn't have an effect, in the link I provided you can read that they managed to make a thunderstorm dissapear.

Sofar, you've been completely off. I'm not presenting this as proof of a vast conspiracy, it's just proof that chemicals are being sprayed, even by militairy planes in this case.

How can you say it made a thunderstorm disappear? The storm disappeared, but thats the issue with trying to influence the weather. You do not know what would have happened if it was not attempted. Thunderstorms can have very short lifespans, especially heat driven storms.



Thats the same issue with cloud seeding for rainfall increase or hail supppression. You will never know with 100 percent certainly if there was any effect at all..but just hoping that statistics can show.

Next time there is a thunderstorm overhead, I will go out and honk my car horn 3 times. I bet that soon the storm will start dissipating, could I then claim the results of that and market honking my car horn as a way to make storms go away?

reply to post by firepilot



I'm saying the report claimed they made it dissapear.

I gave you the link were it is explained, I wanted to qoute it, since you don't seem to read, but that site won't let me copy and paste.

It's besides the point, the topic is that there are state sponsored spraying programs going on.

Apparently they have some effect, since a lot of states are giving permits, its partially state sponsored, and there seem to be alot of commercial companies on the market, so I am sure money is being made and it's probably not for nothing.

Originally posted by firepilot
Silver Iodide used in cloud seeding is real? Wow, thanks for the news flash, and welcome to the 1950s.

Thats about the only part that you got right however.

I was pretty sure that was old news too.

It's supposed to make it rain but, from what I remember, it's not terribly effective.

Originally posted by Mayson
I was pretty sure that was old news too.

It's supposed to make it rain but, from what I remember, it's not terribly effective.

Right... everyone comes out of high school with full knowledge of this subject.

www.license.state.tx.us...

Currently, cloud-seeding projects designed to increase rainfall from convective cloud towers are conducted in nearly 31 million acres of Texas (or almost one-fifth of the state’s land area)

I wish I could get a budget to carry out 31 million acres of terribly ineffective ideas.

Not.

Sri Oracle

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Well, I'm going to say this without the fancy BB code, 'cause frankly, I can't be bothered with that.

Proof of weather modification is proof of weather modification.

Its not proof of;

a worldwide conspiracy to depopulate the planet
a worldwide conspiracy to attempt to reduce global warming
a worldwide conspiracy to create some kind of missile defence shield
a worldwide conspiracy to create some kind of atmospheric tracking of UFO's
a worldwide conspiracy to keep HAARP working

Its weather modification

And unless you are telling me that weather modification is happening 24/7/365 globally, for hours on end, over miles and miles of sky, then trying to link this in to what people call "chemtrails" is something of a strawman.

Just for examples

Heres an explanation of cloud seeding

Heres an explanation of contrails

Is the presenter there a "disinfo agent" ?

Originally posted by firepilot
How can you say it made a thunderstorm disappear? The storm disappeared, but thats the issue with trying to influence the weather. You do not know what would have happened if it was not attempted. Thunderstorms can have very short lifespans, especially heat driven storms.

Thats the same issue with cloud seeding for rainfall increase or hail supppression. You will never know with 100 percent certainly if there was any effect at all..but just hoping that statistics can show.

Have you ever fertilized corn?

Sri Oracle

reply to post by neformore


This was the OP's premise:

AERIAL CHEM DUMPING IS REAL !!!! 1/5th of TEXAS IS ROUTINELY SPRAYED with silver iodide by air plane.

350 replies where page after page people insist upon debunking chemtrails as a fantasy. Now, I don't know whether that specific "CLOSE-UP VIDEO" is of a plane dropping chemicals. What I do know is: that spraying our skies with SILVER IODIDE is VERY REAL!

You are the one that is trying to detract from that by linking it to those claims.

Not something you'd expect from a moderator, but since it is you, it's not that surprising.

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So for something so large and vast in scale, where all are all these aircraft at? And how much of these eeevil chemicals are carried on a typical cloud seeding flight.How many airplanes?

And why is it they only seem to fly on thunderstorm days, when all those chemtrail nonsense is about clear skies and trails

And am I the only one who noticed while the thread if talking about the horrible environmental consequences of this vast program, that the supposed proof, is the environmental permitting from the state government office?


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Pay no attention to F---Fox that poor guy has been up way to long trying to debunk Chemtrails on another thread. His Massa won't let him have a break.
Here you come with another thread with proof positve, and the debunkers are already wore out, and you just doubled their work load.

Originally posted by neformore
Well, I'm going to say this without the fancy BB code, 'cause frankly, I can't be bothered with that.

Proof of weather modification is proof of weather modification.

Its not proof of;

a worldwide conspiracy to depopulate the planet
a worldwide conspiracy to attempt to reduce global warming
a worldwide conspiracy to create some kind of missile defence shield
a worldwide conspiracy to create some kind of atmospheric tracking of UFO's
a worldwide conspiracy to keep HAARP working

Its weather modification

And unless you are telling me that weather modification is happening 24/7/365 globally, for hours on end, over miles and miles of sky, then trying to link this in to what people call "chemtrails" is something of a strawman.

www.weathermodification.com...

We maintain and operate a fleet of more than 35 twin-engine aircraft in various configurations that meet the needs of every client.
* We can provide air and ground staff for a turnkey program
* Unparalleled support from our maintenance and flight department assures smooth operation for your project
* Support is available 24-hours a day, 7-days a week, around the globe

thats one company.



Sorry you didn't like my bb code. I like my newspaper to have headlines in bold myself.

It is not proof of anything... but sporadic, widespread chemical weather modification. This is the truth we are distilling here.

I am glad you can wake up in the morning and say, "

there might be some of that sporadic, yet widespread, chemical weather modification today... I wonder if they're going to make it rain?"

and then let it roll off your shoulder.

Now give somebody else a turn.



Sri Oracle

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reply to post by Point of No Return


Ohh... the mod card.

Tut. Sigh. Naughty boy/girl. Of course, I'm a mod so I'm not entitled to an opinion on a subject I'm interested in, right?

I'm not detracting, I'm explaining, and denying ignorance. Its only detraction to those who don't want to listen.

Yes, weather modification is real. Is it the same as chemtrails as they are usually defined? No.

I have always said cloud seeding projects are real. Its just disingenious of chemtrail believers to act like this is some major discovery of theirs, and then use it as proof of these large transport category aircraft spraying the stratosphere, when cloud seeding projects are anything but that.

I mean especially with linking to a company that does cloud seeding, but then not mentioning that their aircraft used are a limited number of small propeller aircraft. Why leave out that important detail?

Companies that do cloud seeding projects are not secret, nor do they use big aircraft, and not do the "dump" out vast amounts. Why do none of you that claim cloud seeding is behind chemtrails, actually never try to learn about cloud seeding and the aircraft used for it? Is it that freaking hard to try to learn something new?



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reply to post by neformore

I'm not detracting, I'm explaining, and denying ignorance. Its only detraction to those who don't want to listen.

Yes you are detracting. You are dragging things into it that have nothing to do with the premise in the OP.

He just presented proof of widespread spraying programs, it has nothing to do with people looking at contrails, and you know it.

Those who don't want to listen?

To your omnipotence?

Denying ignorance, try to adress the premise instead of implying that the OP uses it as proof for claims he never made in this thread.







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Okay, I will go ahead and pose the question.

How do projects that use single engine and twin engine piston aircraft, used to seed growing thunderstorms in order to attempt to to get more rainfall out of a thunderstorm, provide evidence for the "chemtrails" conspiracy.

I mean these are small aircraft incapable of leaving a visible trail, nor could you ever pack enough material in there for some vast trail across the sky. A Piper Comanche is not quite the kind of plane I see envisioned as proof of chemtrails

reply to post by firepilot


I know you don't read, but I pointed out on the first page that these companies mostly use smaller planes. It appears that some of these companies were looking to purchase jets, and I gave an example of a c-130 being used with 20,000 pounds of chemicals.

edit: I also think this thread is more of a reaction to the people that act like the whole idea of widespread spraying programs is prepostrous.

They all recognise weather modification, but always say it small scale and local.

I think the OP shows that these programs are actually pretty big and consistent.

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