Hurricane Watch 2010

I understand what you are trying to say here…

But I personally have a few problems with these notions… I’ve heard many conspiracies over the last 30 years. Further, I have more faith in humanity.

“IF” these so called evil doers could move hurricanes with the intent to kill off people…because of this “massive population problem” as it is put…it would have already been done… as we all know it was said for years and years that a massive hurricane like Katrina would be a worst case scenario for New Orleans … infact in 1893, Oct 2nd had killed 2000 in Louisiana by a storm surge….

New Orleans Historically

I agree that chemicals are no good… but, sometimes there isn’t much of a choice… e.g… we have mosquito trucks spray, are the chemicals bad?…. Of course… but also are the horrible diseases that the mosquitoes can carry… I know, my sister had West Nile Virus…

As far as the sea life dying, yes they are… the oil spill was a horrible disaster… and it did kill so many marine animals and fish…but we have to keep in mind that there is also natures way… so we can’t really blame everything on the spill…there has always been massive sea life death that has always occurred from the beginning of time… e.g…. the natural course of that particular species, red tide… ect.

Do I believe that many man made chemicals are hurting animals and people… absolutely… but I don’t believe there is a “sinister” plan…

Anyway… here’s a really neat visual from a distance of the movement of the weather in the Atlantic…

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Tampa weather site

reply to post by OceanStone

Might've over-answered the question a bit, there. Didn't intend to 'Darken' the thread and I most certainly hope none of it is true.

Please keep the graphics coming.

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OceanStone...you rock lady! You are a voice of reason!

Also, with HAARP theory regarding Hurricane Control...If we could steer hurricanes somehow, why wouldn't the US direct them at closer enemies, like the land of Hugo Chavez, or Cuba? I'm sorry, but it does not make any logical sense that we have control over such forces of nature. Because if the US had that ability, they would be using it more directly, IMO.

I am not debating the existence of HAARP (personally I don't believe in it, but I respect those who do), but I am drawing a line with hurricane control.

In regards to my earlier question, thanks OceanStone for your links. I just was not understanding the larger picture of the hurricane season thus far.

And I might as well throw in the current updates regarding all of the storms:

Igor:
WTNT31 KNHC 150839
TCPAT1
BULLETIN
HURRICANE IGOR ADVISORY NUMBER 29
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL112010
500 AM AST WED SEP 15 2010

...IGOR WEAKENS A LITTLE BUT REMAINS A LARGE AND POWERFUL
HURRICANE...


SUMMARY OF 500 AM AST...0900 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...19.5N 54.5W
ABOUT 570 MI...915 KM E OF THE NORTHERN LEEWARD ISLANDS
ABOUT 1090 MI...1755 KM SE OF BERMUDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...145 MPH...230 KM/HR
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 300 DEGREES AT 10 MPH...17 KM/HR
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...935 MB...27.61 INCHES


Julia:
WTNT32 KNHC 150850
TCPAT2
BULLETIN
HURRICANE JULIA ADVISORY NUMBER 13
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL122010
500 AM AST WED SEP 15 2010

...JULIA STRENGTHENS A LITTLE MORE...NOW A CATEGORY FOUR
HURRICANE...


SUMMARY OF 500 AM AST...0900 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...17.3N 31.8W
ABOUT 525 MI...845 KM W OF THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...135 MPH...215 KM/HR
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 305 DEGREES AT 10 MPH...17 KM/HR
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...950 MB...28.05 INCHES


Karl:
WTNT63 KNHC 151308
TCUAT3
TROPICAL STORM KARL TROPICAL CYCLONE UPDATE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL132010
810 AM CDT WED SEP 15 2010

DATA FROM THE BELIZE CITY RADAR INDICATES THAT THE CENTER OF KARL
MADE LANDFALL AT ABOUT 745 AM CDT...1245 UTC...ON THE YUCATAN
PENINSULA OF MEXICO ABOUT 30 MILES...50 KM...EAST-NORTHEAST OF
CHETUMAL MEXICO.

SUMMARY OF 745 AM CDT...1245 UTC...INFORMATION
--------------------------------------------------
LOCATION...18.6N 87.8W
ABOUT 30 MI...50 KM ENE OF CHETUMAL MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...65 MPH...100 KM/HR
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 280 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...23 KM/HR
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...991 MB...29.26 INCHES


www.nhc.noaa.gov...

I want to say something to you weather watchers. I committed an unpardonable sin when TS Karl was forming. I saw pre-Karl split (on radar and sat) and I saw dry air and I wrote it off. I chose to not take down either the PV solar cells nor the wind generator. It turns out that was a good call, but not by design but by luck.

Just as Karl was forming, we got a hard wind front in advance of a blob of convection. The wind shifted from SE to SW very suddenly and I measured 22mph sustained with gusting 10-15 MPH above that. Looking out the bedroom window, my Bride said, "there's a waterspout or something!" I was looking out the open back door (we didn't board up, and left the back door open the whole time), and I saw several large breadfruit leaves get picked up and spiral up into the sky. Breadfruit leaves (fronds?) are about 18" long, and they twirled up and to the west and were very quickly out of sight. Hard to guess how high they were when they went out of sight.

Point is, I got cocky. We're a rocky island, and I've been through a lot of TCs and I let my wx-ego take the place of a prudent response to a possible tropical cyclone. Everything is fine with everyone here. I hope and pray those in Central America fare well with this one. I always worry about mudslides there.

So. I am humbled. Again.

It will probably be another ten years before I do THAT foolishness again. Be safe.

Unbelievable activity out there right now in the tropics...

Even more unbelievable that none of it seems poised to hit us, but I'll just be thankful for it....

Originally posted by antar
reply to post by Antoniastar

 

Right I entered this thread just now because my deepest intuition says this could be a huge problem not just for the Gulf States but anyone in the lines of the GUlf Stream winds which are carrying the toxic rains laden with heavy metals and much worse after the BP tragedy.

The dead fish alone as they decompose, and are carried into the waterways and air, is going to be a real problem as the weeks move forward.

When we see hurricanes it only quickens the process.

Hi Antar,

Toxic rains are definitely a concern. Another thought, rain is recycled. So I wonder how much of the toxins in rain are sent back up as steam and reform into toxic clouds? Clouds wander and wind carries them even faster. The individual aspects of the G.O.M. disaster are far-reaching, to be sure. But the over-all affects, what is that called? Is there a weather person who specializes in toxic weather? That would, of course, include toxic hurricanes.

All those dead fish is obvious, physical evidence that there's an urgent problem with bio-marine life in the G.O.M. .

Believe it or not, this is news to some.

Thanks for your input,

Toni

Originally posted by LYTSKR
Thank you for that article, Antoniastar. Those stories that are NOT being covered 'Front-Page', so to speak, are the ones I'm following the closest. I am in North Texas and have been following the BP Oil and Chemical Dispersant Attack since day one.

So far there have been no reports of people affected west of Louisiana (or west of the actual oil leak in the Gulf), but Gulf states to the east are reporting more and more people, animals, foliage, etc. poisoned from the mixture of toxic chemicals and oil daily.

In response to the post about the active hurricane season this year and the interesting paths each system is taking, you might research HAARP a little if you haven't already.

www.youtube.com...

And for those experts out there, I am curious if Hurricane Igor and Hurricane Julia could possibly 'Combine' in the coming days. Due to their projected paths intersecting, is it possible for them to 'Merge' and become even stronger?

If so, the East Coast is in for a Doozy.

www.nhc.noaa.gov...

Hi there LYTSKR,

You're welcome for the article. It's the least that I can do to help out.

Please know that I am not an expert on these matters, but, in my humblest assessment and from what I've gathered so far, jet streams can steer weather systems.

I've wanted to but I hadn't got around to diving into the idiosyncrasies of HAARP yet so I appreciate you guiding me to a mind-candy video on the topic of HAARP. Hey! I wonder if HAARP can control jet streams?

Jet Stream
en.wikipedia.org...

Toni

Here are some breath-taking pictures of hurricanes that I found at...

www.loscabosinsider.com...

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Hi OceanStone,

Thank you very very much for posting the interactive graphics and the link to the site!!!

It's nice to see the motion that involved with tropical storms and hurricanes. It gives a more dimensional perspective which, obviously includes other dims as well.

Awesome choice!

Toni

reply to post by argentus
Yeah that happens!

When people like myself have lived through so many tropical storms and hurricanes and more so, have prepared so much and then for the storm to ultimately move away or weaken we start to get a bit careless... we start to get lax and don't take all necessary precautions... so believe me you... you're not alone!

Here's the latest...

Tropical Storm Karl is back over water in the Bay of Campeche this morning, and Hurricane Watches are now up from Bara de Nautla south to Palma Sola in Mexico. Karl is Forecast to landfall as a hurricane south of Tampico, but anyone in the watch area should prepare for it. Arrival time is the pre-dawn hours on Saturday.

Igor has completed it's first Eyewall replacement cycle and kept itself a category 4. It has another shot to strengthen before weakening. The forecast track remains dangerously close to Bermuda, so folks there need to probably start preparing for good possibility that there may be core of a very strong hurricane passing near or over the island.

FLHurricane

Bermuda is definitely in the line of fire. Looking at the latest forecast models for Igor on StormPulse, it looks like Igor will hit Bermuda as either a very strong Category 2, or a weak 3.

www.stormpulse.com...

I went ahead and found some links to some local Bermuda cams here:

www.bermudashorts.bm...
www.weather.bm...

Karl is gaining strength quickly and is expected to continue to do so now that he is over open water again.

000
WTNT33 KNHC 161509
TCPAT3
BULLETIN
HURRICANE KARL ADVISORY NUMBER 9...CORRECTED
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL132010
1000 AM CDT THU SEP 16 2010

CORRECTED DAYS IN MOTION AND WIND HAZARDS SECTIONS

...KARL BECOMES A HURRICANE...HURRICANE WARNING FOR THE
MEXICAN GULF COAST...

www.nhc.noaa.gov...

www.nhc.noaa.gov...

I just hope we keep getting these high pressure areas that keep moving these things out to sea...man, it's getting nasty out there in the Atlantic...(and I don't have the finances this year to stock up as much as I'd like, or leave town if a big one was imminent, like we've done in the past).

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That link to that web cam to Bermuda is awsome! I'm gonna be watching it! Where the heck do you find these things?... that is SO neat!


reply to post by GazrokOh Gazrok, I hear you, there are so many that can’t evacuate or even stock up with our current economy… pretty worrisome. For my area, even if we wanted to drive out, we couldn’t… there is never enough gas.

Just a little bit about my year from hell…. 2004!

Within six weeks… in 2004, four major hurricanes slammed into Florida, 117 fatalities…Charley - Frances - Ivan - Jeanne… Not since the 1880s has four hurricanes struck a single state…. How could anyone possibly prepare for that?

Frances hit our area hard… a category 2 hurricane crossed over Florida and entered the Gulf of Mexico north of Tampa. Sustained winds of 105 miles per hour AND It took 22... Repeat... 22 hours to travel across the state.

We only get fuel from three ports: Port Everglades, Jacksonville and Tampa. They had to repeatedly close ports and terminals in anticipation of the storms, during electricity outages, and after suffering damage to basic infrastructure.

We always stay… hopefully we’ll never see another year like that!

If anyone’s interested in the stats of 2004, here’s a link.

Florida State Energy Emergency Response to the 2004 Hurricanes (pdf)

Wow... Karl's now a major Cat 3...

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Bay News 9

Does anyone know the record for named storms being active at once in the Atlantic?

Here comes another wave off Africa, only 10% chance of forming at this time.

But, like WOW, the Atlantic is busy right now!

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www.nhc.noaa.gov...

Karl is now a verry dangerous hurricane of cat. 3. When Karl reach land it wil be for a short while a cat. 4 hurricane !

Oh yes the other names of the storms ahead of us are :

Lisa, Matthew, Nicole, Otto, Paula, Richard, Shary, Tomas, Virginie, Walter

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Yeah, 2004 sucked. We flew out of the state for the worst one, but we were here for the others. We had quite a few hours without power (which in FL, the real deal there is without air conditioning), and had to keep restocking the hurricane supplies. We also had some family come stay with us for one storm, as they were in an evacuation area, and we aren't. Was a rough season. Luckily, we always kept the cars gassed up, though if the same thing happened this year, we'd be a lot worse off.

Originally posted by lasertaglover
Does anyone know the record for named storms being active at once in the Atlantic?

I couldn't find the most Named Storms all at one time... All I could find was the most hurricanes all at one time and that was 4....

In 1998 the Atlantic had four simultaneous hurricanes--Georges, Ivan, Jeanne and Karl--for a brief time on September 25th. There has been just one other case of four simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes, on August 22, 1893.

Wunderground

That's a good question... does anyone know this answer?... the record for named storms being active at once in the Atlantic?

The newscast I saw said that this was the record (i.e. current situation). Saw this on a few different local stations.