Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

reply to post by rhunter


No tariq Azziz ( the spokesman ) was NOT chemical Ali...( who has been exwcuted)PLEASE get easy facts straight , especially on an important thread ...

Also bit of trivias... tariq azziz was a christian....

[edit on 2-6-2010 by gambon]

reply to post by ElijahWan



I have watched the youtube video you have linked in your post ElijahWan and I see it as recorded after the boarding took place with moments of 'review' back to the boarding.

A little Tarantino-esque in the editing.

Please review 4:56 - 4:57, the camera pans quickly from viewing one of the IDF boats during daybreak and then jumps to the same point at an earlier much darker time.

Another example later at 5:30(where the gun shots after the boarding can be heard), you can clearly see the sea in the background under 'daybreak' lighting and then at 5:47-5:48 you can clearly see a pause in the footage and now the sky is black, showing that the video is of the earlier boarding.

The video does those on a few occasions, it jumps forward and backward in time.

Please review it again and focus on the sky and lighting:







On a different note;

I do not appreciate the label that a group of like minded posters are attatching to me. I have even answered a direct set of three questions by one poster that were quite frankly insulting.

I am not Israeli and I am not Jewish, I am infact British and an atheist, not that I feel I have to prove myself.

I have stated myself on countless times to not be pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian and yet you still continue to mock and dismiss me as 'IDF'.

I have stated that I believe the repetition projected shows single mindedness, blind faith and a disregard for sources that do not suit the opinion of the group I refer to.

I have, on the other hand shown that I am flexible and able to accept credible sources that contradict what I originally believed.

It is now starting to constitute harassment in my book.

Less of the personal attacks and more of the healthy discussion.



[edit on 2-6-2010 by Skellon]

I love this man: Robert Fisk: Western leaders are too cowardly to help save lives

www.independent.co.uk...

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by Skellon

I would also like to add that they are carrying paintball guns as their 'main weapons' and a hand gun as a 'live' backup weapon.

Haha yeah...

and these too.

static.guim.co.uk...

Notice the flag, notice the uniform... NOTICE THE GUN that isn't a paintball gun OR a hand gun.

Isnt it , Iy has a standard torch black taped to the bottom (lending a chunky appearance, it isnt a large enough gauge for a combat shotgun,I am looking it up as a type this , atm it could possibly be a tranquilizer gun ?

It may be a shotgun , but imo it is much to small and the hand grip is all wrong for a shotgun..it would fly out of his hands using it like that



[edit on 2-6-2010 by gambon]

Originally posted by Skellon
I need a break from this thread, I have fought the good fight long enough.

I shall leave with the a chuckle at the fact that somewhere along this session of posting I have gained a foe called 'JewsAreInControl'.

Pretty much sums up the responses I have had all night.




I bid good day to you all, see you later.

[edit on 2-6-2010 by Skellon]

HAHAHAHA I also have picked up a foe called Jews are in controll ,,,,,now that is VERY STRANGE

reply to post by gambon


I did not recognise the weapon being spoken of as a shotgun either for the reasons you stated. However, incase I was wrong in my observation I followed up with the possibility that if it indeed was a shotgun, it may well have been using non-lethal ammunition.

I think its obvious they are starting a new war.That happens when world financial powers start to crumble.

Originally posted by ElijahWan
Watch the entire Al Jazeera footage here: www.youtube.com...

If you watch it from start to finish you can see that the people ARE NOT riled, and ARE NOT attacking anyone, yet you can still hear the reporter saying that the IDF are using live ammunition, they wave a white flag after 1 person dies....
You can even hear some shots being fired in the background.

Then, later in the film you see them all riled up on the main-deck, attacking the helicopter that is dropping troops. This is AFTER you see the boats that are strafing the vessel and possibly firing LIVE AMMUNITION on the vessel.

I feel like the actual assault went like this:

1) The strafing boats fire "warning shots" (as you call them)
2) The captain is dispatched not long after
3) Tear Gas and Flashbangs are deployed
4) The humanitarians grab whatever weapons they can get their hands on
5) The Helicopter drops only enough troops for it to look like the soldiers have no choice but to kill the TEAR GASSED and BLINDED/DEAF activists

6) The IDF begins to lose ground and switch to lethal arms
7) They kill the ones they killed and are able to quell the violence (No IDF video of that eh? Wonder why.....)

8) They escort the ship back to Ashdod from international waters

Now since it all took place in INTERNATIONAL WATERS, because of an ILLEGAL BLOCKADE, then I can conclude the actions of 1-8 are ALL acts of Piracy.....


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I have a problem with the time line ,
How do we know this is before the landing , it sounds like they are on the boat( the shots). There is no evidence this is before the landing on the upper deck.....

at 0.40 the vid is cut to a different camera and reporter secs the vid is cut to a different camera and reporter , he mentions tear gas , and smoke , but makes NO mention of live firing , He also does not say the boats where firing at them when talking directly about them.......

[edit on 2-6-2010 by gambon]

At 2 .00 we see to people helping a man down the stairs..both wearing gas masks , what is the in the mask nearest the camera carrying in his left hand?

[edit on 2-6-2010 by gambon]

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by rhunter

 

No tariq Azziz ( the spokesman ) was NOT chemical Ali...( who has been exwcuted)PLEASE get easy facts straight , especially on an important thread ...

YES: [The part that the ill-read fool missed] WAS ALREADY ADMITTED: OH "HOLY GAMBON.!"

"HOLY GAMBON" should read more "No tariq Azziz ( the spokesman )" Messages...

hint: read about 3+ pages previously "uphill" on this specific thread!


GFL... GFC.... FO...WYAAI

Originally posted by Thepreye

Originally posted by ANNED
I don't side with ether side but have noticed that some of the so called peaceful protestors on the ship had and were wearing gas mask.

In the US all police departments that respond to and watch over peaceful protest will arrest anyone that shows up wearing a gas mask.
In the US wearing a gas mask to a peaceful protest is the sign of a agitator.

The same goes for the UK and Copenhagen from what i have heard.
www.greenspun.com...
www.facebook.com...
www.starhawk.org...
freakangels.com...
climatechangestuff.com...

Not true in the UK, I own and wear a, IDF actually, gas mask and a police riot helmet and a US swat helmet, I even own an old Met riot shield and body armour, very useful in stopping batons, cs gas or rubber bullets.

If you wore that at a demo mate you would be whisked away faster than a dont know what by the boys in blue......ok for airsoft ...not at a peacefull demo...

Originally posted by deccal
I love this man: Robert Fisk: Western leaders are too cowardly to help save lives

www.independent.co.uk...

An excellent article deccal, a critical and informed piece of journalism.

Although I may not agree with Robert Fisks viewpoint of the actual incident we discuss in this thread, I can appreciate a well written article, regardless of whether I agree whole heartedly or not.

credible, impartial and transparent

Wishful thinking slave conditioning tranquilizer

reply to post by gambon


Notice at 2:41 there is, what appears to be a hand gun in the activists hand as he leans on the wall for support.

Also, the voice we hear of the intercom is perhaps the captain?

If so, he is speaking after the boarding had occured.



[edit on 2-6-2010 by Skellon]

You know it is not going well for Israel when one of their own Parlimentary members was on that convoy and says that the IDF was in the wrong.

Not sure if it was posted already
CNN Article

Hanin Zoabi, a member of the Israeli parliament, was on board the Miva Marmara, the ship that was the scene of a confrontation between activists and Israeli soldiers. That clash left at least nine people dead. The Israeli Navy fired on the ships five minutes before commandos descended from ropes that dangled from helicopters, Zoabi said during a press conference in Nazareth, Israel. She said passengers on board the ship were unarmed.

Israel Begins to Expel Activists It Seized on Flotilla


MSM keep insisting on "expel" as if they were going to Israel willingly. Those people were kidnapped by Israelis outside of Israel borders and brought to Israel against their will, and now they are "expelling" them

Slave conditioning, nothing else...

[edit on 2-6-2010 by DangerDeath]

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Originally posted by TaxpayersUnleashed
I think its obvious they are starting a new war.That happens when world financial powers start to crumble.

I acknowledge your point and agree, history has shown this to be the case.

I fear the times ahead, something very ominous this way comes.

I hope that it is not the case, for all our sakes.



[edit on 2-6-2010 by Skellon]

Originally posted by rhunter

Originally posted by rhunter
Read very slowly:

Originally posted by rhunter
Sorry, I must have gotten my "War on Terror" US propaganda confused- I did not watch your YouTube video.

I remember that Iraqi "PR" guy being presented somewhere (or several somewheres) as "Chemical Ali" here in the US media, and I'm not the best at recalling various Arabic names- they are often very similar if you hadn't noticed. We have extremely crappy media "reporting" here in the US, as you already know since you "aren't an Israeli citizen." It was several years ago, and as I already admitted above, I must have gotten my US war propaganda confused.

So are you going to sue me for making a mistake, or answer those questions above that you have been dodging?

@Skellog: So- umm- are you going to pull our dicks forever then?

If I took your statement out of context then I apologise however that is how I read it.

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