Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

Originally posted by Skellon

It reminds me of Mohammed Al Sahaf back in 2003 when the coalition was steam rolling its way into Iraqs capital with little resistance;

[edit on 2-6-2010 by Skellon]

It actually reminds me of Colin, Condi, and the Gang and their "smoking gun" "mushroom cloud" WMD's in Iraq. I didn't find video of Colin Powell's speech before the UN? but here are a couple of "Democrats" claiming the same thing:


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Also, I see you edited out your Chemical Ali "comedy" as I was replying. That is probably VERY GOOD ADVICE on this particular thread, as I don't find ANY of this topic to be funny!

[edit on 2-6-2010 by rhunter]

Turkish PM to hold security meeting with top officials on Weds

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan will hold a security meeting at Prime Ministry HQ at 11:00 a.m. on Wednesday.
Tuesday, 01 June 2010 15:56

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan will hold a security meeting at Prime Ministry HQ at 11:00 a.m. on Wednesday.

National Security Council (MGK) member ministers, Chief of General Staff Gen. Ilker Basbug, commanders of forces, and other authorities will attend the meeting.

Deputy prime ministers, justice, national defense, interior and foreign ministers are the MGK-member ministers.

This will happen in about 20 minutes. Guess they will decide if they send warships to escort the other boats.

reply to post by rhunter


It is not a matter for mocking.

I expect Israel's neighbours to 'test the water' in these coming weeks.

Inspired by the result of their propoganda strategy, they will grow some balls.

Bloody times ahead.

reply to post by Skellon


Hang on, You're talking about Isreal, right?

Continually testing the waters, needing to grow some balls, propaganda machine ...

reply to post by rhunter



Chemical Ali?

Now you really are winding me up.

I deleted my comment from beneath the video which read;

"A little comedy for you "

The intent was to lighten up the mood a little with regards to the heated exchanges.

Don't you dare put such venom in my mouth.

That is unbelievable!

Contact a moderator or an admin and check their logs and you will see that what I wrote there was what I stated above.

I did not mention Chemical Ali!

Just found this article, my apologies if it has been posted already.

Source: rawstory.com...

Ex-Mossad agent: Gaza flotilla raid ’so stupid it’s stupefying’

By Stephen C. Webster
Tuesday, June 1st, 2010 -- 10:53 pm

Ex Mossad agent: Gaza flotilla raid so stupid its stupefying

While the United States has reserved judgment in the matter, a former Mossad agent is casting blame for the botched raid on a Gaza aid flotilla, pointing directly at Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu for allegedly ordering forces to act without vital preparation.

The former Mossad agent is Victor Ostrovsky, who enlisted in the Israeli Defense Force at age 18 and has since written two books highly critical of Israel's war-fighting apparatus. His first book, "By Way of Deception," illustrates the brutal and often confusing nature of the Israeli spy service's covert operations, casting the agency as a villain that engages in the drug trade to further their ambitions over the good of Israel. His other book, "The Other Side of Deception," speculates as to Mossad's greater agenda. The book is available online in its entirety.

If one were to ask him, he'd say that Israel's raid on the Gaza aid flotilla was "so stupid it's stupefying" -- exactly the words he used speaking with Washington Post "Spy Talk" columnist Jeff Stein.

For one, Ostrovsky suggested, commandos could have approached the ship from under water and disabled the propellers, letting the activists drift for days until their food supplies ran out. He added that Israeli soldiers should not have fast-roped into a crowd as they had, instead suggesting that it would have been more productive to board the ship from the front and back, then work inward.

"The mistakes were on every level," Ostrovsky told Stein, "from the order to forcefully board outside the territorial waters to the actual attack."

He ultimately blamed the Israeli prime minister for giving an order to "do something now" instead of making adequate preparations for repelling the vessel from the Gaza shore. He also chastised the Israeli leadership for stopping the boat in international waters, even if its stated destination was beyond the military blockade.

US officials take no immediate stance on Gaza flotilla raid

Asked if President Barack Obama condemned Israel for the raid, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs stuck to the language of a UN Security Council statement issued late Sunday on the Israeli assault on a convoy headed to Gaza.

The statement condemns "those acts which resulted in the loss of at least ten civilians and many wounded," but did not specifically say whether the Israeli raid or actions of pro-Palestinians supporters caused the violence.

"Let me simply restate what the international community and the United States supported early this morning at the UN Security Council through a presidential statement," Gibbs said.

"The Security Council statement that I read calls for an investigation that is prompt, impartial, credible and transparent, conforming to international standards, of exactly what happened," Gibbs said. "And we're obviously supportive of that."

Says much about the situation I think.

Originally posted by harryhaller
reply to post by Skellon

 

Hang on, You're talking about Isreal, right?

Continually testing the waters, needing to grow some balls, propaganda machine ...

No, I was refering to the Saintly countires that surround it and despise it.

Originally posted by clay2 baraka

Originally posted by rhunter
Hmmm- no rocket launchers (or "paintball guns") found on the bodies...

Why would the Palestinians have paintball guns?

I was pointing out how utterly ridiculous the lame-ass IDF propaganda excuse of going on a nighttime "commando" operation in the Middle East armed with paintball guns is. Hell- the IDF used a helicopter gunship to kill 3 "terrorists" the very day after the Shayetet 13 incident aboard the Mavi Marmara.

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Interesting article there, good read, thanks.

I agree with him, the insertion was a botch up. More 'hollywood' than practical.

He makes some very good observations.

I want to clarify, I am not pro-Isreali!

I just believe in being objective, forming my own conclusions based upon the on board footage released. (Aljazeera, Press.TV and IDF)

There are atleast two sides to every story.

What is infuriating is when you have to debate with people that straight out will not accept anything the other side has to say.

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Originally posted by Skellon
reply to post by barkingdogamato

 

Interesting article there, good read, thanks.

I agree with him, the insertion was a botch up. More 'hollywood' than practical.

He makes some very good observations.

I read that article as well and he has very valid points. .

I think the interview is a red herring as his credibility will be quickly questioned. and he will be dismissed as a kook. Note that in his books he makes the accusation that the Mossad is engaged in the drug trade. .

Could they not have found another source to interview? Or was that the point. . ?

Originally posted by Skellon
I did not mention Chemical Ali!

No you didn't, and I didn't quote you as doing so, if you will re-read my post. Sorry, I must have gotten my "War on Terror" US propaganda confused- I did not watch your YouTube video.

The point was that then (much like tonight on this very thread), we seem to be having several Ministries of Defense spewing propaganda. I fell for it the first 2 times I heard it here in the US, but I consider myself to be somewhat wiser now. Your mileage may vary...

Now if you can get back to answering those questions above that you appear to be avoiding, it would be appreciated, Skellon.

Originally posted by clay2 baraka

Originally posted by Skellon
reply to post by barkingdogamato

 

Interesting article there, good read, thanks.

I agree with him, the insertion was a botch up. More 'hollywood' than practical.

He makes some very good observations.

I read that article as well and he has very valid points. .

I think the interview is a red herring as his credibility will be quickly questioned. and he will be dismissed as a kook. Note that in his books he makes the accusation that the Mossad is engaged in the drug trade. .

Could they not have found another source to interview? Or was that the point. . ?

I did spot that mate, hence I stated

"He makes some very good observations"

The guy came across as single minded and bitter overall though.

reply to post by Skellon


I want to clarify, I am not pro-Isreali!


Please tell me when to stop laughing.........
I call a spade a spade. If you aint pro Israeli, I'm a freckin Rabi..
And stay away from them scissors...

Originally posted by rhunter

Originally posted by Skellon
I did not mention Chemical Ali!

No you didn't, and I didn't quote you as doing so, if you will re-read my post. Sorry, I must have gotten my "War on Terror" US propaganda confused- I did not watch your YouTube video.

The point was that then (much like tonight on this very thread), we seem to be having several Ministries of Defense spewing propaganda. I fell for it the first 2 times I heard it here in the US, but I consider myself to be somewhat wiser now. Your mileage may vary...

Now if you can get back to answering those questions above that you appear to be avoiding, it would be appreciated, Skellon.

"Also, I see you edited out your Chemical Ali "comedy" as I was replying."

So in what context did you mean to present this statement?

reply to post by Skellon


If Israel release all passengers with their cameras and footage intact then you will see both sides.

If not its all one sided...

Simple huh, now what will your precious Israel do?
Allow all to be seen or confiscate for security reasons??

"The Security Council statement that I read calls for an investigation that is prompt, impartial, credible and transparent, conforming to international standards, of exactly what happened," Gibbs said. "And we're obviously supportive of that."

Impartial investigation conducted by Israel

I can't wait to hear what "exactly happened".

reply to post by DangerDeath

Breaking news just in......

Yes and the fox was today cleared of all charges of raiding the henhouse.

Transcripts of Judge Foxes decisions are available at our site...

I need a break from this thread, I have fought the good fight long enough.

I shall leave with the a chuckle at the fact that somewhere along this session of posting I have gained a foe called 'JewsAreInControl'.

Pretty much sums up the responses I have had all night.




I bid good day to you all, see you later.

[edit on 2-6-2010 by Skellon]

Read very slowly:

Originally posted by rhunter
Sorry, I must have gotten my "War on Terror" US propaganda confused- I did not watch your YouTube video.

I remember that Iraqi "PR" guy being presented somewhere (or several somewheres) as "Chemical Ali" here in the US media, and I'm not the best at recalling various Arabic names- they are often very similar if you hadn't noticed. We have extremely crappy media "reporting" here in the US, as you already know since you "aren't an Israeli citizen." It was several years ago, and as I already admitted above, I must have gotten my US war propaganda confused.

So are you going to sue me for making a mistake, or answer those questions above that you have been dodging?