The real power in the world is SAUDI ARABIA and they are causing the Islamization of the World.

reply to post by Aceofclubs


You know. what you just said about immoral and stuf .
The same is said here only then by Christians.

It is a difficult subject.
I am convinced that whatever you experience is nothing more then a nasty side effect of somthing bigger.

reply to post by Trublue


Thank you for this interesting thread. Sadly most will just read a line or two, jump on the hate train with Skunknuts and miss the whole thing.

To those just joining in, you should go back and read all of the posts by AbuMusaab if you have not. Then contrast and compare to what is being presented here.

This is one of those rare threads where both sides are revealed.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Yes, I was astounded by what he had to say.

It is rare to get that kind of blunt honestly.







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Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by Trublue

 

In the first video posted of Obama meeting the Queen you will notice her look away and down as they part... also watch as Phillip steps back after the handshake... this seems to me that they didn't really want to shake hands with Obama...

I'll go view your other vids now...

Ok, just viewed the video with the Labour Muslim MP... this isn't good at all... no wonder Brown still thinks he's going to win... there are probably loads up North who will vote Labour because of these MP's trying to get imto the No10 Downing Street... I really hope people open their eyes and wake up!!

That vid on Sweden is something new... i used to go out with Swede... i visited Sweden and never saw any Muslims over there... not in Stockholm anyway... don't know about Malmo as i never visited that part of Sweden but if that vid is true than they better start to open their eyes there too...

BTW I'm also against Islamification and hope it dies out... this looks like the Nazi's all over again...

It is like a Nazi take over and really there is not a lot of difference.

Thanks for your comments.

When we look for the truth about what it is that Saudi Arabia and the Muslim world are trying to convert the whole world to - we should look at -

What is going on inside of Saudi Arabia ...

Freedom of religion does not exist in Saudi Arabia.

Islam is the official religion, and all citizens must be Muslims. The Government prohibits the public practice of other religions. The Government has declared the Holy Quran and the Sunna (tradition) of the Prophet Muhammad to be the country’s constitution. The Government bases its legitimacy on governance according to the precepts of the rigorously conservative and strict interpretation of the Salafi or Wahhabi school of the Sunni branch of Islam and discriminates against other branches of Islam.

Neither the Government nor society in general accepts the concepts of separation of religion and state, and such separation does not exist.

The legal system is based on Sharia (Islamic law), with Shari'a courts basing their judgments largely on a code derived from the Quran and the Sunna.

The U.S. State Department's 1997 Human Rights Report on Saudi Arabia states. "Islam is the official religion, and all citizens must be Muslims.

The government prohibits the public practice of other religions."

Under Pope Benedict XVI, Vatican officials have raised the issue of Christians being forbidden from worshipping openly in Saudi Arabia.

As an Islamic State, Saudi Arabia gives preferential treatment for Muslims.

While allowing foreigners to come and work, Saudi Arabia prohibits the burial of Non-Muslims on Saudi soil

Foreign schools are often required to teach a yearly introductory segment on Islam.

Saudi Arabia forbids missionary work by any religion other than Wahabi/Salafi Islam.

Saudi religious police have detained Shiite pilgrims participating in the Hajj, allegedly calling them "infidels in Mecca". The restrictions on the Shi'a branch of Islam in the kingdom along with the banning of displaying Jewish and Christian symbols have been referred to as apartheid.

en.wikipedia.org...

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Originally posted by Trublue


When we look for the truth about what it is that Saudi Arabia and the Muslim world are trying to convert the whole world to - we should look at -

What is going on inside of Saudi Arabia ...

Freedom of religion does not exist.

Islam is the official religion, and all citizens must be Muslims. The Government prohibits the public practice of other religions. The Government has declared the Holy Quran and the Sunna (tradition) of the Prophet Muhammad to be the country’s constitution. The Government bases its legitimacy on governance according to the precepts of the rigorously conservative and strict interpretation of the Salafi or Wahhabi school of the Sunni branch of Islam and discriminates against other branches of Islam.

Neither the Government nor society in general accepts the concepts of separation of religion and state, and such separation does not exist.

Guess what:

You can't be a citizen of the Vatican without being a Christian either.


But that doesn't matter to you, does it?

Think about this: Sovereign countries can make up their own laws.... That's what the word sovereign means. The US doesn't control the whole world.

Women's rights in Saudi Arabia

Saudi women sometimes face discrimination in many aspects of their lives, such as the justice system. Although they make up 70% of those enrolled in universities, for social reasons, women make up just 5% of the workforce in Saudi Arabia, the lowest proportion in the world.

The treatment of women has been referred to as "Sex segregation" and "gender apartheid". Implementation of a government resolution supporting expanded employment opportunities for women met resistance from within the labor ministry, from the religious police, and from the male citizenry.

In many parts of Saudi Arabia, it is believed that a woman's place is in the home caring for her husband and family. There is also segregation inside their own homes as some rooms have separate entrances for men and women.

Although women are legally not allowed to drive cars in Saudi Arabia, women in rural areas and other areas outside cities do drive cars. Women are allowed to fly aircraft, though they must be chauffeured to the airport.

Women's rights are at the heart of calls for reform in Saudi Arabia - calls that are challenging the kingdom's political status quo. Local and international women's groups are also pushing governments to respond, taking advantage of the fact that some rulers are eager to project a more progressive image to the West. (is this just temporary?)

The presence of powerful businesswomen—still a rare sight—in some of these groups helps get them heard. Prior to 2008, women were not allowed to enter hotels and furnished apartments without a chaperon or mahram. With a 2008 Royal Decree, however, the only requirement needed to allow women to enter hotels are their national ID cards, and the hotel must inform the nearest police station of their room reservation and length of stay, however this happens with everybody staying in the hotel not just women.

Many Saudis believe that allowing women the right to drive could lead to Western-style openness and an erosion of traditional values.

According to the CIA world factbook, 70.8% of females are literate, in comparison to 84.7% literacy rates in males.

en.wikipedia.org...

The above is just a mild version - I will find some other facts.

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Corporal and capital punishment in Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia is one of a number of countries where courts continue to impose corporal punishment, including amputations of hands and feet for robbery, and flogging for lesser crimes such as "sexual deviance" and drunkenness.

The number of lashes is not clearly prescribed by law and is varied according to the discretion of judges, and ranges from dozens of lashes to several hundreds, usually applied over a period of weeks or months.

In 2004, the United Nations Committee against Torture criticized Saudi Arabia over the amputations and floggings it carries out under Sharia. The Saudi delegation responded defending "legal traditions" held since the inception of Islam 1,400 years ago and rejected interference in its legal system.

Saudi Arabia also engages in capital punishment, including public executions by beheading.

Beheading is the punishment for murderers, rapists, drug traffickers and armed robbers, according to strict interpretation of Islamic law.

In 2005 there were 191 executions, in 2006 there were 38, in 2007 there were 153, and in 2008 there were 102.

A spokesman for Saudi Arabia's National Society for Human Rights has said that numbers of executions are rising because crime rates are rising, that prisoners are treated humanely, and that the beheadings deter crime, saying, ""Allah, our creator, knows best what's good for his people...Should we just think of and preserve the rights of the murderer and not think of the rights of others?"

en.wikipedia.org...

Those "Muslims" you guys are talking about in the UK who are like a "mob culture." Selling drugs, driving BMWs, raping, etc. They probably don't pray. There are numerous authentic hadith that state that the difference between a Muslim and a non-Muslim is prayer. Meaning that if you don't pray 5 times a day, and you don't see a problem with that, you have left Islam. Don't call those people Muslims. They are just thugs from another country. They are not there to spread Islam...they are there to commit crimes, and have "fun."

If I was there, I would beat them up myself. Rape is not allowed in Islam. Only the Shia believe such nonsense, and they are out of the fold of Islam.

The Taliban started as a movement to punish and kill rapists. And spread all over the country by popular demand. Learn the truth.

Shar'iah doesn't allow all this madness. These drug dealers would be executed under it, insha'Allah.

Separate the religion from the thugs who come from the place where the religion is prevalent. Your problem is with the race, not the religion, because you believe their race has characteristics which make them likely to be criminals. Religion might actually stop these people, and it certainly doesn't sanction them.

Be reasonable.

Originally posted by Trublue

Call for parts of sharia law in Australia

Updated Mon Mar 8, 2010 3:35pm AEDT

A senior Muslim leader is again calling for elements of sharia law to be legally recognised in Australia.

www.abc.net.au...

You do realize that "calling for elements of sharia law to be legally recognized" isn't the same as "Australia now uses Sharia law"? Right?

Also, those Sharia tribunals aren't official courts. They are small tribunals mostly working out of mosques...and whatever they decide doesn't become official or legal until an OFFICIAL UK NATIONAL COURT sanctions it. So basically, they can meet, make a decision...but as long as it doesn't fit UK law it's basically not legally binding.

It's use is to solve minor disputes that could be settled out of court because of those religious tribunals. But they carry no official legal weight.

Again, in both cases, the UK and Australia...Sharia law isn't the official legal basis. Saying so is plain misinformation.

Also, the people stating problems with Muslims...that doesn't give you the right to condemn the whole people!

Regarding Dubai, yes, the living standards of the workers is atrocious. But it's the same all over Asia...and the US is full of working poors too. It's the result of GREED, the wish to make MONEY...and that's something all people have in common, no matter their religion.

reply to post by Trublue


Yes Saudi Arabia has harsh laws...but the US uses capital punishment as well. And if you've ever seen those documentaries about the privatized prisons in the US, you'd understand that corporal punishment isn't exclusive to Sharia law

Trueblu.

Are you a muslim trying to strike fear into the hearts of the infidels?

reply to post by AbuMusaab



I am trying hard to listen to you and be reasonable in my responses and if it wasn't for knowing a bit about all of this I might believe you.

However how come we have leaders of Islam on video making comments like it is a woman's fault if she gets raped because she didn't wear a head scarf - how can that be a legitimate excuse to rape western woman in western countries?

I draw your attention to an Aussie case -

Another woman was approached by attackers at the Bankstown train station, who proposed she join them in smoking some marijuana at another location. She agreed and went with them, however she was taken to three separate locations by the men, raped 25 times by a total of fourteen men, in an ordeal that lasted six hours. After the attacks the woman was hosed down with a fire hose. The woman, who was known during the trial as 'C' to protect her identity, later told her story to 60 Minutes. She told of how the attackers called her an "Aussie Pig", asked her if "Leb cock tasted better than Aussie cock" and explained to her that she would now be raped "Leb-style".

Conservative commentators such as Miranda Devine have cited the crimes as racially motivated hate crimes.

The Sydney Morning Herald reported that the rapists had stated to a victim, during the attack, "You deserve it because you're an Australian" and "I'm going to fu*k you Leb style".

en.wikipedia.org...

Now I draw your attention to video evidence of your leaders stating that this was OK because the girl in question was simply uncovered meat!!!

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Also, those Sharia tribunals aren't official courts. They are small tribunals mostly working out of mosques...and whatever they decide doesn't become official or legal until an OFFICIAL UK NATIONAL COURT sanctions it. So basically, they can meet, make a decision...but as long as it doesn't fit UK law it's basically not legally binding.

Listen, stop telling lies.

I am getting sick of it ...

ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.

The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence.

Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court.

The disclosure that Muslim courts have legal powers in Britain comes seven months after Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, was pilloried for suggesting that the establishment of sharia in the future “seems unavoidable” in Britain.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

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Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
Trueblu.

Are you a muslim trying to strike fear into the hearts of the infidels?

No, I am not but I can assure you, they have struck fear into my heart.

I have trouble sleeping at night!

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TruBlue,

They were going to smoke marijuana? Practicing Muslims do not smoke marijuana. And a guy blaming a woman for dressing immodestly and getting raped is nothing new. The man is also to blame, and he would receive lashes for it or even be executed in true Shar'iah.

You don't have to believe me. I don't care what you believe. Those thugs have no place in Islam. I don't care who they are, and insha'Allah, when we have gained a secure footing, and are able to hold power, they will punished just like anyone for their stupid and immoral behavior.

Just to show you how real Muslims feel about rape:



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reply to post by Trublue


That tribunal system runs parallel to the UK court system. Nothing they rule can be enforced if it contradicts UK law...and only Muslims are taking advantage of those tribunals. It doesn't hurt non-Muslims in the least.

But continue your fear mongering...funny to watch people shake in their boots because they're scared of a boogieman that doesn't exist.

reply to post by MrXYZ


Do you not realise they are taking over slice by slice?

Little by little, they are deleting our customs and installing their own.

Wake up!!!

Do you see them allowing us to do this in their lands - read the above of what goes on in Saudi Arabia and that is the mild version!

They are the ones forcing us to change our school books, dictionaries, our Christmas celebrations and our way of life and yet, are they changing theirs - NO.








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reply to post by Trublue


Let's see:

- Do they force me to use Sharia in court? NO! (contrary to what you try to tell us)

- Do they prevent me from celebrating Xmas/Easter/kwanza/etc? NO!

- Do they limit my freedom in any way, shape, or form? NO!

Since they don't really limit my freedom in any way, I can't be angry at them. You are just scared of their ways and traditions...but you fail to realize that they don't force you to adopt them.

As for no more religious references in schools outside bible studies...GOOD! Finally!! School should be about logic and rationality, not speculation and beliefs based on old scriptures written by men.

If you wanna celebrate YOUR beliefs, do it PRIVATELY and don't force it upon others. It's only logical to leave religious beliefs outside public places like schools. Christianity isn't any more right than Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, or any other religion. They're pure speculation and if people wanna follow those beliefs, they can do so at church or at home. No need to force us others to take part.

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reply to post by Trublue

You are like Moshe the Beadle warning of the next holocaust.

The white birthrate in Europe of 1.3 and in the USA of 1.8 versus the Muslim Arab birthrate of 4 to 7 and Hispanic of 4 to 7, plus the continued immigration of non whites, means the end of white majority rule in a democratic country in less than 40 years. In one hundred years white people and their culture may nearly be extinct.


Moshe the Beadle
(Beadle, sometimes spelled "bedel" is derived from the Latin "bidellus" or "bedellus," rooted in words for "herald.")

Night is a work by Elie Wiesel based on his experience, as a young Orthodox Jew, of being sent with his family to the German concentration camps at Auschwitz and Buchenwald during the Second World War and the Holocaust.[1]

Night's narrator is Eliezer, a studious and deeply pious Orthodox Jewish teenager, who studies the Talmud by day, and at night runs to the synagogue to weep over the destruction of the Temple.[8] In the synagogue, and to the disapproval of his father who sees him as too young for it, Eliezer discusses the Kabbalah and the mysteries of the universe with Moshe the Beadle, the town's humblest resident—"awkward as a clown" but much loved—Moshe teaching him that "man raises himself toward God by the questions he asks Him," and that "every question possess[es] a power that [does] not lie in the answer."[7] Night returns repeatedly to the theme of faith sustained by questions.

When the Hungarian government rules that Jews unable to prove their citizenship will be expelled, Moshe is crammed onto a cattle train and taken to Poland. Somehow he manages to escape, miraculously saved by God, he believes, so that he might save the Jews of Sighet. He hurries back to the village to tell what he calls "the story of my own death."[9]
“ There was no longer any joy in his eyes. He no longer sang. He no longer talked to me of God or the Kabbalah, but only of what he had seen. People refused not only to believe his stories, but even to listen to him.[10] „

Moshe runs from one household to the next. "Jews, listen to me! It's all I ask of you. No money. No pity. Just listen to me!"[9] The cattle train crossed the border into Poland, he tells them, where it was taken over by the Gestapo, the German secret police. The Jews were transferred to lorries and driven to a forest in Galicia, near Kolomaye, where they were forced to dig pits. When they had finished, each prisoner had to approach the hole, present his neck, and was shot. Babies were thrown into the air and used as targets by machine gunners. Moshe tells them about Malka, the young girl who took three days to die, and Tobias, the tailor who begged to be killed before his sons; and how he, Moshe, was shot in the leg and taken for dead. But the Jews of Sighet would not listen.[11]
“ He's just trying to make us pity him. What an imagination he has! they said. Or even: Poor fellow. He's gone mad.

And as for Moshe, he wept.[10]