The real power in the world is SAUDI ARABIA and they are causing the Islamization of the World.

I wanted to take you seriously but then you used Obama bowing.


I don't know if I believe everything but I won't deny Saudi Arabia as a world power.

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In the first video posted of Obama meeting the Queen you will notice her look away and down as they part... also watch as Phillip steps back after the handshake... this seems to me that they didn't really want to shake hands with Obama...

I'll go view your other vids now...

Ok, just viewed the video with the Labour Muslim MP... this isn't good at all... no wonder Brown still thinks he's going to win... there are probably loads up North who will vote Labour because of these MP's trying to get imto the No10 Downing Street... I really hope people open their eyes and wake up!!

That vid on Sweden is something new... i used to go out with Swede... i visited Sweden and never saw any Muslims over there... not in Stockholm anyway... don't know about Malmo as i never visited that part of Sweden but if that vid is true than they better start to open their eyes there too...

BTW I'm also against Islamification and hope it dies out... this looks like the Nazi's all over again...



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There are trouble makers and power seekers operating under all banners. Your average Muslim, Jew, Christian or Freemason probably isn't really out to seize power or cause any misery and suffering, but people conducting themselves in a wicked way are - quite likely - within all of these groups, it's how the ruling elite maintain their hold. While we're busy playing the blame game with regards to groups of people, the real culprits are only getting stronger. It's how the Devil works, he turns us on ourselves.

No person (human or otherwise) and no nistitution is beyond corruption, in the same way that they're not beyond redemption.

To TrueBlu and All,

I have not read the entire thread because it is just too boring, irrelevant and mostly disinformation. I don't normally post but this thread just was too annoying and pretty much one sided.

Someone is definitely spending WAYYYYYY to much time on the "jihad watch" website. Bob Spencer is a good speaker BUT sometimes a bit out there and very biased, IMO.

I am a US Navy sub vet for eight years during and after 'Nam and have been traveling the world for over thirty five years.

I would say that most of the people posting here do not have a clue as to what they are talking about!! Not just my humble opinion but my experience.
I have lived here in the UAE for over five years, Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Ajman and:
1) My best friend since I have been here is a Syrian.

2) My next door neighbor is an Iraqi.

3) Another close friend is Egyptian. His girlfriend an ex-coworker of my wife's is a very devote Muslim and visits us regularly!! We still have not been killed and she has not made us pay any money for protection! Imagine that!!!

4) I have spent most of 2009 on two Iranian offshore oil rigs, off of Iran and Turkmenistan.

I have never experienced any problems here or the time I went to the Syrian desert two weeks after 9/11 on a Croatian land rig.

Not to mention the numerous times in Cairo and offshore Sinai on Egyptian rigs.

The church I and my wife attend, St. Joseph's RC, is situated directly between a very large mosque and a brand new Coptic cathedral on the other side!!

I could go on and on, but I will not waste anymore of my time or yours.
Just go out and learn for yourselves, not from youtube or Spencer.
BTW, jihad watch is filtered here, have to get there via hotspot and u997.

Thanks for listening,
Tom

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Very much reflect my experiences in Dubai/Abu Dhabi

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Well as you know, MrXYZ, when the oil runs out and the expats leave....
The camels will be once again be traveling on Sheik Zayad Road!!!

Tom

Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by Trublue

 

I managed to get past your spam...erm posts and I'm just curious how many muslims have you actually spoken to in person. Or do you just base everything off youtube videos?

i live in what is now muslim area. from what i can see its an international crime wave posing as a religion. i went to a school that was at least half Muslim now its mostly muslim. yes there are normal people in the area but thay WILL NOT expose there criminals so thay are just as guilty in my eyes. i have spoken to many many muslims some even admit its thay are here to take over " we already own the west its just a matter of time untill your all muslims anyway" the media refuses to cover any muslim crime and the police refuse to do anything against them. heres just a few problems i have

countless heroin dealers, many houses declared as places of worship(bills payed and no tax), forced prostitution of under age girls, intimidation and violence of any who speak against Islam, muslim doctors put other muslims on the sick in droves this entire area is a slum but most have new BMW`s and merc`s. islam is a mob culture. anyone in the north of england who disputes this go walk around glodwick in oldham thay will beat you to hospital or death. here tell my friends mother theres no problem www.theasiannews.co.uk...

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Hi Ace. were are you from ?

I assume England and the Muslims you talk about are mostly from Pakistan. Correct me if I'm wrong ?

What you describe as behaviour aren't Muslim characteristics.
That they are Muslim would not change anything. Well except for the Islamic influence of course.

My own country is mainly ruled by Christian ideas. As far as forcing their ways or rather secretly passing bills .

The overwhelming majority of Muslim here are either Turk or Marroccan.
Turkish people are not causing trouble at all. Verry friendly. ( well the ones I know. ) Marroccan adult and elderly are not a problem.
Their youth is known to provoke and troubles.
However this is more of an aditude thing. A couple of my friends are Marroccan and they are verry warm and friendly people.

I've not had troubles with Marroccans then I've had with Dutch guys.
Mostly positive.The same kind of problems we had with Marroccans we also had with Antillians and Molukkers. These last ones even committed terrorist acts taking a class of children and a train hostage.in the seventies.

Dutch marines eventualy ended it and on the train they were killed. along with an innocent girl who was hit alot.
These Mollukers are now a succesful and fully adapted subgroup in our society. They taged along from our colonial era. after choosing our side ( christians ) they were no longer welcome in Indonesia.

Everyone has their religions, I respect that and you should believe in what YOU want, so in regards to the OP good job researching all this, having said that good luck if you want to change anything...yes that religion is a "MONSTER" to try and tackle. No disrespect to Muslims, but I personally do not agree with some of the ways people are treated when let's say oh I don't know a woman does not have a veil over her face and then gets stoned to death, how if you are not a Muslim but live in a country that has warred with them you are considered an infidel. Let's be rational here, to preach peace you have to make peace, also if someone commits an error it seems like they get their head chopped of...you would think that for such a grown up race of human beings that we would be beyond committing acts like that, were not cavemen. Like I said earlier, everyone has their religion and yea technically we should respect them...I personally don't believe in religious writings from hundreds of years ago, of a time when I was not alive to see and hear these things. A God? or Jesus? of a creator who can be as nice as honey but can wipe me out the next if I don't pray to him? no thank you, but do I believe in something greater, something mysterious, with or without shape that might have given shape to everything...to me that sounds plausible. Am I going to try and find out who or what was it, heck no, why should I?

Back on topic, sorry.
Anyways, I am in the armed forces, have been in the sand box three times, I had a part in helping to teach a small number of Iraqi men how to police themselves(they were new Iraqi police) ..many different police stations. I made some good acquaintances there...many of the people are really nice, some want to kill you by staring at you but overall they never tried to "convert" or impose their religion on me, they fed me a couple of times and gave me shelter a couple of times and we even conducted raids together and yes I was in their country pretty much an "infidel". Most just work to feed their families and don't concern themselves with all these world issues like who has the most nukes or keeping track of the stock exchange. I will say that we received many thank yous and tips on people suspected of making IED's because we helped them. More importantly I respected their culture as best I could, not showing the bottom of my boots to them, or spitting around them, gorging myself around them...you get pretty hungry sometimes out there , talking about religion, or looking at their women.

I mean if I can show them respect, live among them even if it was for a short while, work with them and they do the same towards me then the only barrier that I can see ending that real fast would of been the subject of "religion", so to each his own, I'm going to try and enjoy my life, because I don't know what comes after death, maybe there is nothing(I hope not) so who knows, maybe generations down the road people will get along...maybe that is asking the impossible, but...................why does it have to be impossible?

To all of those people going on about how wonderful Dubai is - have you read this?

The dark side of Dubai

"The thing you have to understand about Dubai is – nothing is what it seems," Karen says at last. "Nothing. This isn't a city, it's a con-job. They lure you in telling you it's one thing – a modern kind of place – but beneath the surface it's a medieval dictatorship."

III. Hidden in plain view

There are three different Dubais, all swirling around each other. There are the expats, like Karen; there are the Emiratis, headed by Sheikh Mohammed; and then there is the foreign underclass who built the city, and are trapped here. They are hidden in plain view. You see them everywhere, in dirt-caked blue uniforms, being shouted at by their superiors, like a chain gang – but you are trained not to look. It is like a mantra: the Sheikh built the city. The Sheikh built the city. Workers? What workers?

Every evening, the hundreds of thousands of young men who build Dubai are bussed from their sites to a vast concrete wasteland an hour out of town, where they are quarantined away. Until a few years ago they were shuttled back and forth on cattle trucks, but the expats complained this was unsightly, so now they are shunted on small metal buses that function like greenhouses in the desert heat. They sweat like sponges being slowly wrung out.

Sonapur is a rubble-strewn patchwork of miles and miles of identical concrete buildings. Some 300,000 men live piled up here, in a place whose name in Hindi means "City of Gold". In the first camp I stop at – riven with the smell of sewage and sweat – the men huddle around, eager to tell someone, anyone, what is happening to them.

Sahinal Monir, a slim 24-year-old from the deltas of Bangladesh. "To get you here, they tell you Dubai is heaven. Then you get here and realise it is hell," he says. Four years ago, an employment agent arrived in Sahinal's village in Southern Bangladesh. He told the men of the village that there was a place where they could earn 40,000 takka a month (£400) just for working nine-to-five on construction projects. It was a place where they would be given great accommodation, great food, and treated well. All they had to do was pay an up-front fee of 220,000 takka (£2,300) for the work visa – a fee they'd pay off in the first six months, easy. So Sahinal sold his family land, and took out a loan from the local lender, to head to this paradise.

As soon as he arrived at Dubai airport, his passport was taken from him by his construction company. He has not seen it since. He was told brusquely that from now on he would be working 14-hour days in the desert heat – where western tourists are advised not to stay outside for even five minutes in summer, when it hits 55 degrees – for 500 dirhams a month (£90), less than a quarter of the wage he was promised. If you don't like it, the company told him, go home. "But how can I go home? You have my passport, and I have no money for the ticket," he said. "Well, then you'd better get to work," they replied.

Sahinal was in a panic. His family back home – his son, daughter, wife and parents – were waiting for money, excited that their boy had finally made it. But he was going to have to work for more than two years just to pay for the cost of getting here – and all to earn less than he did in Bangladesh.

He shows me his room. It is a tiny, poky, concrete cell with triple-decker bunk-beds, where he lives with 11 other men. All his belongings are piled onto his bunk: three shirts, a spare pair of trousers, and a cellphone. The room stinks, because the lavatories in the corner of the camp – holes in the ground – are backed up with excrement and clouds of black flies. There is no air conditioning or fans, so the heat is "unbearable. You cannot sleep. All you do is sweat and scratch all night." At the height of summer, people sleep on the floor, on the roof, anywhere where they can pray for a moment of breeze.

The water delivered to the camp in huge white containers isn't properly desalinated: it tastes of salt. "It makes us sick, but we have nothing else to drink," he says.

A Human Rights Watch study found there is a "cover-up of the true extent" of deaths from heat exhaustion, overwork and suicide, but the Indian consulate registered 971 deaths of their nationals in 2005 alone. After this figure was leaked, the consulates were told to stop counting.

The work is "the worst in the world," he says. "You have to carry 50kg bricks and blocks of cement in the worst heat imaginable ... This heat – it is like nothing else. You sweat so much you can't pee, not for days or weeks. It's like all the liquid comes out through your skin and you stink. You become dizzy and sick but you aren't allowed to stop, except for an hour in the afternoon. You know if you drop anything or slip, you could die. If you take time off sick, your wages are docked, and you are trapped here even longer."

Ahmed al-Atar is a handsome 23-year-old with a neat, trimmed beard, tailored white robes, and rectangular wire-glasses. He speaks perfect American-English, and quickly shows that he knows London, Los Angeles and Paris better than most westerners. Sitting back in his chair in an identikit Starbucks, he announces: "This is the best place in the world to be young! The government pays for your education up to PhD level. You get given a free house when you get married. You get free healthcare, and if it's not good enough here, they pay for you to go abroad. You don't even have to pay for your phone calls. Almost everyone has a maid, a nanny, and a driver. And we never pay any taxes. Don't you wish you were Emirati?"

It is an open secret that once you hire a maid, you have absolute power over her. You take her passport – everyone does; you decide when to pay her, and when – if ever – she can take a break; and you decide who she talks to. She speaks no Arabic. She cannot escape.

I will post some more in a moment.

More on Dubai ...

The only hostel for women in Dubai – a filthy private villa on the brink of being repossessed – is filled with escaped maids. Mela Matari, a 25-year-old Ethiopian woman with a drooping smile, tells me what happened to her – and thousands like her. She was promised a paradise in the sands by an agency, so she left her four year-old daughter at home and headed here to earn money for a better future. "But they paid me half what they promised. I was put with an Australian family – four children – and Madam made me work from 6am to 1am every day, with no day off. I was exhausted and pleaded for a break, but they just shouted: 'You came here to work, not sleep!' Then one day I just couldn't go on, and Madam beat me. She beat me with her fists and kicked me. My ear still hurts. They wouldn't give me my wages: they said they'd pay me at the end of the two years. What could I do? I didn't know anybody here. I was terrified."

My patience frayed by all this excess, I find myself snapping: doesn't the omnipresent slave class bother you? I hope they misunderstood me, because the woman replied: "That's what we come for! It's great, you can't do anything for yourself!" Her husband chimes in: "When you go to the toilet, they open the door, they turn on the tap – the only thing they don't do is take it out for you when you have a piss!" And they both fall about laughing.


The water quality got worse and worse. The guests started to spot raw sewage, condoms, and used sanitary towels floating in the sea. So the hotel ordered its own water analyses from a professional company. "They told us it was full of fecal matter and bacteria 'too numerous to count'. I had to start telling guests not to go in the water, and since they'd come on a beach holiday, as you can imagine, they were pretty pissed off." She began to make angry posts on the expat discussion forums – and people began to figure out what was happening. Dubai had expanded so fast its sewage treatment facilities couldn't keep up. The sewage disposal trucks had to queue for three or four days at the treatment plants – so instead, they were simply drilling open the manholes and dumping the untreated sewage down them, so it flowed straight to the sea.


"The expats are terrified to talk about anything. One critical comment in the newspapers and they deport you. So what am I supposed to do? Now the water is worse than ever. People are getting really sick. Eye infections, ear infections, stomach infections, rashes. Look at it!" There is faeces floating on the beach, in the shadow of one of Dubai's most famous hotels. "What I learnt about Dubai is that the authorities don't give a toss about the environment," she says, standing in the stench. "They're pumping toxins into the sea, their main tourist attraction, for God's sake.


I ask the Filipino girl behind the counter if she likes it here. "It's OK," she says cautiously. Really? I say. I can't stand it. She sighs with relief and says: "This is the most terrible place! I hate it! I was here for months before I realised – everything in Dubai is fake. Everything you see. The trees are fake, the workers' contracts are fake, the islands are fake, the smiles are fake – even the water is fake!" But she is trapped, she says. She got into debt to come here, and she is stuck for three years: an old story now. "I think Dubai is like an oasis. It is an illusion, not real. You think you have seen water in the distance, but you get close and you only get a mouthful of sand."

www.independent.co.uk...

near oldham and yes mostly pakistani people but thay come under the banner of islam so thats why its a problem. and the turks here have caused the swimming pool to ban spectators because thay were takeing pics of realy young girls with there phones. sick. if the islamic world can`t deal with there criminals then the whole lot need to be stoped from spreading this crap. sad i know but its the only way i see if you know abetter one please share it

Originally posted by JackJack
reply to post by Trublue

 

Hi Trublue,

I have a question or two for you. Your opening statement says that it is Saudi Arabia causing the Islamization of the World. It would seem to me that all of the Islamic nations are causing the Islamization of the World? Or do you think it is specifically Saudi Arabia at the head of the movement?

Also, I was wondering if you thought that all of the Islamic nations are trying to rebuild the old Babylonian Empire? Or if the Islamization of the World and rebuilding Babylon are separate movements?

For Example Saddam's interest in Babylon, from Wikipedia article on Babylon:

"In 1983, Saddam Hussein started rebuilding the city [of Babylon] on top of the old ruins ... , investing in both restoration and new construction. He inscribed his name on many of the bricks in imitation of Nebuchadnezzar. One frequent inscription reads: 'This was built by Saddam Hussein, son of Nebuchadnezzar, to glorify Iraq'."

Full Article Here:

Babylon wiki

Many Thanks.

Thanks for your post that is very interesting.

I think Saudi Arabia is the head of the movement yes, not the only power in it.

As for the rebuilding of an empire, yes of course but Islam has always had it as it's goal, to rule the world they are even very open about it.

If we came out and said such a thing, there would be a huge out cry.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Trublue

 

You keep stating that Europe and Australia are introducing Sharia law. That is total bull# since it would contradict our previous legal basis. No new resolutions or laws relating to Sharia law have been introduced either in the UN, or national governments.

ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.

The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence.

Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court.

The disclosure that Muslim courts have legal powers in Britain comes seven months after Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, was pilloried for suggesting that the establishment of sharia in the future “seems unavoidable” in Britain.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

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reply to post by Aceofclubs


Whatever rocks your boat.
It's silly to accuse Islam for the Moslims that you encounter.

After all there are about a billion of them.
However... Who am I to judge.

Now be sure to watch this video it tells you that once you become a Muslim the sentence for leaving the faith is death!

Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by Aceofclubs

 

Whatever rocks your boat.
It's silly to accuse Islam for the Moslims that you encounter.

After all there are about a billion of them.
However... Who am I to judge.

so what do you propose we just wait untill we are out numbered in our own lands and then see what happens. i don`t think so thats asking for trouble a muslim on here keeps saying we`re immoral for following our desires dose that not give you a hit of what will come when that happens the vids trublue puts show the bad guys rule islam and there good guys just keep there mouth shut because thats what keeps them safe

edit to add i reply later or tomoz. i`m off to enjoy my weekend

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Call for parts of sharia law in Australia

Updated Mon Mar 8, 2010 3:35pm AEDT

A senior Muslim leader is again calling for elements of sharia law to be legally recognised in Australia.

www.abc.net.au...