The real power in the world is SAUDI ARABIA and they are causing the Islamization of the World.

Originally posted by Trublue

 

I only consider myself Christian because I am white
and live in a white Christian land.

To me like I said, this is not about religion and Islam is not
really about religion either, it's a system of power.

I don't know where you live, but there is no such thing as christian
land unless you mean Vatican City. Even in that case it can not be
considered white by any means.
As for control, I some how doubt that the Builderburg's Group,
or the World Bankers (those that really are controlling the world affairs)
are interested in Islam, other than vilifying it for their own agendas.
In fact, Muslims believe that these same 'non-believers' will
indeed rule the world (temporarily), destroy most of civilization as
we know it,
including all the sacred mosques (Islam knows this will happen);
This is why in Islam the after life is more important
than worldly attachment.
(no brainer)

Beware of agents trolling the internet


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Well... The afterlife huh... No brainer huh...

You will probably agree with me that power and specificly the will to do anything for getting as much of it as possible is our biggest issue.

I'm sharing with you my thougts on power.
There is no higher or ultimate power then the power over one who will happy to please you. Power is when you get people that will give there life for you willing and convinced he's doing the right thing.

Fundamental religion can give you this power

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas

 

There is no higher or ultimate power then the power over one who will happy to please you.

That's is exactly why personal belief is the ultimate freedom,
unlike the imperialistic hierarchy and the monarchy system,
and the unfortunate failed for the people by the people system.



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Could you give me your own thougts cause I might misunderstand where you stand in this ?

Iv'e been reading most (but not all) of the comments on this thread, excuse me if this has already been said:

The OP linked to a video from Sweden and claimed that Islam is destroying the swedish society. That, however is untrue. Neither Islam, Muslims or Immigrants are destroying our country (im swedish). There is however a problem, and that seems to be the way our immigration politics is carried out, not the immigrants themselves.

I see there is also some other debates going on. I'm no follower of any religion, nor am I an atheist, I simply don't feel the need to devote myself to any god(s). When we read a text we are interpreting it, it is a way to try to understand its meaning. No text, regardless of its length, can only be interpreted in a single way. Instead, any text could have many different (perhaps even infinite) interpretations. The problem arises when one interpreter argues that he/she has found the correct interpretation of the text and tries to convince others (either by force or by argument) that his/hers interpretation is correct. [I'm not even going to argue that my views are correct , they are simply my view on the matter]

Anyway I think we should realize that there is no correct interpretation of anything. What we have instead are infinite possibilities.

Perhaps if all religious works began with the disclaimer: "Be aware that any reading of this particular work will result in different interpretations among the readers themselves, neither of which is the correct one, but all are" There might be no problems?

But in the end, what do I know?

Originally posted by space cadet

Are you trying to say that all of the above is caused by one religious group or country? That is insane to say or believe. God is the one who gives the capacity to learn, and that is given to all. There is no one country or religion who has learned more or has the right to learn more , have more knowledge than another. It is ignorant to think disease, obesity, divorce, immorality or homosexuality is all the infuence of a single country or religion, all these conditions have existed forever on earth! To state this as you have, as fact, is insane. Is that what you are taught as a Muslim?

I wasn't blaming one country or one religious group. It is characterized by the West in general. They are the leading power and in those countries, some tried to ban alcohol at one time or another, such as Prohibition in the US, but their people's love for it overran them. So they gave up. Then they held onto banning alcohol sales only on Sunday, but that is going away, too.

Islamic Law doesn't allow the society to backslide like Western Law does. Alcohol is prohibited. 1500 years ago. Today. Always.

On a side, yet related note (not directed at anyone in particular): The one misconception I am absolutely tired of is the following:

People who say Islam is backwards, and medieval.

Do you know what is actually backwards and even more ancient? Current western society. The only difference is technology.

Before Islam, the Arabs drank, mixed freely between men and women, and engaged in all sorts of immorality and stupidity. And that was not just the Arabs. The people of the surrounding areas were the same. Persians were worshipping fire. Turks were worshipping stars. Christians are worshipping a man. Jews are worshipping wealth. This is not new.

Women wearing revealing clothing is not modern. People charging interest is not modern. Drinking alcohol is not modern. Gambling is not modern. Being gay is not modern. All the sins which are glorified in western culture are not modern. Yet they are widely accepted. Why is this?

Islam is actually newer than all of these things. Islam is truly modern. The only difference between the West and the people acting like animals before Islam is the technology. We have cell phones now. Guess what? The Taliban have cell phones, too. They use them to detonate IEDs. Pretty clever, eh?

The only backwards people on this earth are those who do not worship their Creator and follow the Laws He has given us. These types of people are as old as time. Do not consider yourself intelligent, or that you have figured everything out, or that there is no Creator or that is a Creator, but you just make up your own way to worship him (this leads to extreme trouble). People much smarter than you have thought and said all these things long before your ancient ancestors even took a breath.




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Perhaps if all religious works began with the disclaimer: "Be aware that any reading of this particular work will result in different interpretations among the readers themselves, neither of which is the correct one, but all are" There might be no problems?

This is actualy the funniest and most logical I came across in a long time.
Brilliant.

Originally posted by AbuMusaab

Originally posted by space cadet

Are you trying to say that all of the above is caused by one religious group or country? That is insane to say or believe. God is the one who gives the capacity to learn, and that is given to all. There is no one country or religion who has learned more or has the right to learn more , have more knowledge than another. It is ignorant to think disease, obesity, divorce, immorality or homosexuality is all the infuence of a single country or religion, all these conditions have existed forever on earth! To state this as you have, as fact, is insane. Is that what you are taught as a Muslim?

I wasn't blaming one country or one religious group. It is characterized by the West in general. They are the leading power and in those countries, some tried to ban alcohol at one time or another, such as Prohibition in the US, but their people's love for it overran them. So they gave up. Then they held onto banning alcohol sales only on Sunday, but that is going away, too.

Islamic Law doesn't allow the society to backslide like Western Law does. Alcohol is prohibited. 1500 years ago. Today. Always.

On a side, yet related note (not directed at anyone in particular): The one misconception I am absolutely tired of is the following:

People who say Islam is backwards, and medieval.

Do you know what is actually backwards and even more ancient? Current western society. The only difference is technology...

Here you have a point but most of this is not any citizen in the Wests fault, it is the fault of the leaders.

Woman's lib for example has never really been about woman's lib, it was about exploiting woman, getting more people to tax and reducing the birth rate, one of the things which has lead to the Wests immediate downfall.

Almost all the decadence and self destructive behaviours you see in the West are mostly a new thing which arrived about 50 years ago when ploters wanted to destroy our socitey.

They have done a damn good job of it and most in the West are not happy with the situation at all.

I will not name the plotters everyone accuses one group or another but this thread is about the Islam's plot against us which none can deny.

As for God, many of us believe in God but choose to do so in our own way, it does not make it any less valid.

You do not have to be a believer to be a good and moral person, my own experience has been that many so called Christians are less moral then non believers.

Dhimmi Alert-Episode 1: 7th Graders Learn Jihad in America




Dhimmi Alert: Episode 2 - Life as a Dhimmi, The Pact of Umar

As for who is bowing down to whom and who is at the top of the political power structure -

I don't think you can get a better picture than the below.

There we have the pope kissing the Qu'ran.

The below lecture by Walter Veith is very good but I think he is misguided in thinking it is Islam who bows to the pope and not the other way around.

After all - all that is shown is the pope kissing and stooping before Islam.

However the lecture is awesome and well worth watching.

He covers a lot of Mason stuff and has a copy of the real Albert Pike book MORALS and DOGMA which he refers to and quotes quite a bit.

Video - New World Order

Google Video Link

[edit on 1-5-2010 by Trublue]

Originally posted by Mahasamadhi
Iv'e been reading most (but not all) of the comments on this thread, excuse me if this has already been said:

The OP linked to a video from Sweden and claimed that Islam is destroying the swedish society. That, however is untrue. Neither Islam, Muslims or Immigrants are destroying our country (im swedish). There is however a problem, and that seems to be the way our immigration politics is carried out, not the immigrants themselves.

While I respect what you have to say, it turns out that most of us are very unaware of what is going on in our own lands because the media is sweeping it all under the carpet and has a very bias way of presenting the news.

This is not their fault, it is directed to them from above, they simply are unable to report the news fairly.

Western Muslims' Racist Rape Spree

By Sharon Lapkin FrontPageMag.com 12-29-5

In Australia, Norway, Sweden and other Western nations, there is a distinct race-based crime in motion being ignored by the diversity police: Islamic men are raping Western women for ethnic reasons. We know this because the rapists have openly declared their sectarian motivations.

When a number of teenage Australian girls were subjected to hours of sexual degradation during a spate of gang rapes in Sydney that occurred between 1998 and 2002, the perpetrators of these assaults framed their rationale in ethnic terms. The young victims were informed that they were "sluts" and "Aussie pigs" while they were being hunted down and abused.

In Australia's New South Wales Supreme Court in December 2005, a visiting Pakistani rapist testified that his victims had no right to say no, because they were not wearing a headscarf. And earlier this year Australians were outraged when Lebanese Sheik Faiz Mohammed gave a lecture in Sydney where he informed his audience that rape victims had no one to blame but themselves. Women, he said, who wore skimpy clothing, invited men to rape them.

A few months earlier, in Copenhagen, Islamic mufti and scholar, Shahid Mehdi created uproar when * like his peer in Australia * he stated that women who did not wear a headscarf were asking to be raped. And with haunting synchronicity in 2004, the London Telegraph reported that visiting Egyptian scholar Sheik Yusaf al-Qaradawi claimed female rape victims should be punished if they were dressed immodestly when they were raped.
He added, "For her to be absolved from guilt, a raped woman must have shown good conduct."

In Norway and Sweden, journalist Fjordman warns of a rape epidemic. Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen stated that the steady increase of rape-cases and the link to ethnicity are clear, unmistakable trends. Two out of three persecutions for rape in Oslo are immigrants with a non-Western background and 80 percent of the victims are Norwegian women.

In Sweden, according to translator for Jihad Watch, Ali Dashti, "Gang rapes, usually involving Muslim immigrant males and native Swedish girls, have become commonplace." A few weeks ago she said, "Five Kurds brutally raped a 13-year-old Swedish girl."

In France, Samira Bellil broke her silence * after enduring years of repeated gang rapes in one of the Muslim populated public housing projects * and wrote a book, In the hell of the tournantes, that shocked France. Describing how gang rape is rampant in the banlieues, she explained to Time that, "any neighborhood girl who smokes, uses makeup or wears attractive clothes is a whore."

www.rense.com...

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Ladies! Gentlemen! Can`t we all just... get along? I see some of you saying religion is nothing a tool being used to control people and you`re right. So what does that mean? Out with religion? OK. Guess we need to get rid of everything else people have been usin` to control eachother. Oh, there goes love right out the window. How many times have I been tricked by "love"? Whoops, there just went knowlegde, too! Wow maybe we should reconsider a few things cause I don`t know if I like this new world we have created for ourselves. Ok so maybe it`s not "love"`s fault people are using it incorrectly to lie to eachother and get what they want. Hey, when it`s done properly, what do ya know? It actually feels pretty good! Feels pretty good once people stopped perverting it and contorting it to serve their own, shallow needs! Ok so let`s look at religion. Wow, what a frightening history we have here! Crusades? Inquisition? Jihad? 9/11? Wow and thats just the past 500 or so years! Yes it would seem that once again, men have seized upon another tool which he can twist around and lead people around by the nose with. So who is at fault here? A few books (ok more than a few but when you compare the main books of the major faiths to all that have been written in time... u get my point)? Remember, Bibles don`t kill people! PEOPLE kill people! Usually at the request of... you guessed it, another person! This is how wars work! One or more persons tells you to go kill some other people you do not know. Does it really matter which books the people ordering you to kill like to read? Or the people you are ordered TO kill? The people ordering you to kill are merely going to use whatever book/faith is popular in that area to control the people. 2b cntnu`d


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Obama Invites Muslim Entrepreneurs from Around the World to Washington Summit

en.islamtoday.net...

22 April 2010

US president Barack Obama will lay a key plank of his strategy to mend ties with the Islamic world next week when he hosts a summit to boost economic development in Muslim nations.

In a step the White House hopes will help shift relations beyond decades of talk about terrorism and conflict, a senior official said Mr Obama will bring entrepreneurs from 50 countries to Washington on Monday and Tuesday to spur economic ties.

The event -- entitled "A New Beginning: The Presidential Summit on Entrepreneurship" -- will take place at the Ronald Reagan International Trade Center in Washington, D.C. (pictured).

The president pledged to host the summit in a landmark speech in Cairo last June, when he also called for a "new beginning" to relations between the United States and the Islamic world. "One of the principal goals of that vision was to broaden our relationship, which has been dominated by a few different issues, a small set of issues, for at least the last decade, and going back further than that," the official told AFP.

NASA plans more outreach to Muslim countries

blogs.orlandosentinel.com... eed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+news%2Fspace%2Fspace_blog+%28Space+Blog+The+Write+Stuff%29

WASHINGTON — NASA Administrator Charlie Bolden said Tuesday that President Barack Obama has asked him to “find ways to reach out to dominantly Muslim countries” as the White House pushes the space agency to become a tool of international diplomacy.

“In addition to the nations that most of you usually hear about when you think about the International Space Station, we now have expanded our efforts to reach out to non-traditional partners,” said Bolden, speaking to a lecture hall of young engineering students.

Specifically, he talked about connecting with countries that do not have an established space program and helping them conduct science missions. He mentioned new opportunities with Indonesia, including an educational program that examines global climate change.

“We really like Indonesia because the State Department, the Department of Education [and] other agencies in the U.S. are reaching out to Indonesia as the largest Muslim nation in the world. We would love to establish partners there,” Bolden said.

As a presidential candidate, Obama espoused a space program that invited more participation from the international community and Deputy NASA Administrator Lori Garver said recently that the next time NASA lands on the moon it would be part of an international exploration effort.

You have to be deaf dumb or blind not to see though all this,

All the topics basing Christians,

The huge topic on Rome,

All deflection and posted to deflect attention from the true situation, this propaganda is all over the net on many forums,

There is no doubt in my mind, now, that Obama is Muslim.

For a short time they will rule, it was all foretold, and the majority will not listen, turning to doctrines of demons, they will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

There will be a great falling away.

They will deny the existence of Christ.

"Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion (apostasia) comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the (Third) Temple of God (in Jerusalem), proclaiming himself to be God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you this?"

You will see the desolating sacrilege spoken of by the prophet Daniel standing in the Holy Place,

a king of bold countenance, one who understands riddles, shall arise. His power shall be great, and he shall cause fearful destruction, and shall succeed in what he does, and destroy mighty men and the people of the saints.

By his cunning he shall make deceit prosper under his hand, and in his own mind he shall magnify himself. Without warning he shall destroy many; and he shall even rise up against the Prince of princes but by no human hand, he shall be broken. The vision of the evenings and the mornings which has been told is true; but seal up the vision, for it pertains to many days hence.

Wow this video is a must see ...



In this video Obama makes statements such as ..

"We are no longer a Christian nation."

and

"America is not at war and will never be at war with Islam."

He goes on and on about how wonderful Islam is and really it was truly sickening.

Our leaders and education system are now educating everyone in how terrible whites have been in their past and how wonderful Islam is.

What is wrong with this picture?

Islam is not better than us, they have done far more imperialism and their history of keeping slaves continues to this very day.








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Originally posted by doctor j and inmate c5779
Ladies! Gentlemen! Can`t we all just... get along? I see some of you saying religion is nothing a tool being used to control people and you`re right.

Islam is not really a religion, it is a system of control.

That is the mistake people make when they think this is about religion, it is not, it is about conquest.

Originally posted by space cadet
As serious as this topic is, I just tried to picture Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee and the Carolina's being taken over by Islamic leaders, being islamized. And I just couldn't do it. I cannot picture it.

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You wont see it.

I agree Saudi Arabia is much more powerful and influential than most people are aware. I also believe there is a worldwide conspiracy for Radical Muslims to take over the world and establish Sharia Law in every country they can. Saudi Arabia is likely playing a direct role in this and pushing for mass immigration of Muslims around the world - especially in Western countries.

...BUT...

Come on guys. Some of you are being so venomous and hateful towards others because of the religion they happen to follow. Most Muslims are decent, friendly people just like most people of any religion or culture. Extremism is a serious problem in Islam and I agree we the in West should be cautious. But to demonise and have such hatred for people based on the fact that they are Muslims is sad and unreasonable. It is the Extremists we should fear, not the moderate and secular adherents of Islam.

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One of the most putrid things about he above video of Obama is him visiting a mosque in Turkey, that was a christian temple which the Muslims converted after they killed almost everyone, it is truly sickening!

The people in turkey were so desperate they built an elaborate underground tunnel system in the hundreds of years that they held out against the Muslims, only to be almost totally wiped out, their babies heads smashed against rocks - it's revolting and no one is telling the truth about how brutal and cruel the Muslims were, all we hear about is and our apparent sins!

Here is some good videos on what really went on ... past and present.

Islamic Crusades 1: The Occupation of Constantinople



Islamic Crusades 2: Before Islam... Egypt, Iran, Iraq



Islamic Crusades 3: The Co-Option of Jerusalem



Islamic Crusades 4: Lessons From the Thai Jihad



Islamic Crusades 5: Why did they hate us in 1783?





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Here in France we're having this debate about whether or not the burqa should be authorized in public places. Looks like it's going to be banned, like Belgium did a couple of days ago.

I'm afraid for our euro-US culture, which is undermined by islamization. When you try to build a church in a muslim state, you can't... what's wrong? are we gonna let those guys overtake our countries and impose their medieval culture ?
honestly, if Allah or God really existed, we wouldn't care. But they don't, and mankind, instead of evolving, just remains the same.

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I must admit, some of that stuff he says in that video is disturbing. I think it was mostly just to appease the Muslim world and make them feel like he is Pro-Islam. But still, some of those statements are very concerning...

PS: His pronunciation of the word "quran" is freaky. Reminds me of that scene in The Shining where Grady tells Jack that he "corrected" his twin daughters when they tried to burn down the hotel.

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