The real power in the world is SAUDI ARABIA and they are causing the Islamization of the World.

I think it's funny that the "evidence" you post doesn't really prove your point. It proves there's some nutcase Muslims...but there's also some nutcase Christians molesting children and commiting other crimes. Of course in their case you don't generalize.

Again, nothing you can post will justify your racist opinion because you can just post evidence of a minority of Muslims acting stupid. I could easily make a similar thread than yours about Christians...and it would be just as wrong.

Don't for a second think those youtube videos prove you right, or will convince people you're something else but a small minded racist.

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No, the evidence of what is going on is in the secret documents and the way the governments are bending to Islams pressure which I posted on the first page - people who really look - see - others are blind.








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Ohhhhhh, the evidence is in "secret" documents...and the rest is only speculation that fits your world view. Of course that makes it all true.

Extremists on both sides of the fence are really annoying.

Watch this regarding the subject:



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Originally posted by aorAki

Originally posted by AbuMusaab
Your true colors are coming through!

You cannot defeat Islam. It is an unstoppable force.

I would contest that it is an unstoppable farce, along with other religions.

However, as I am allowed to believe what I wish, I have no problem with others believing what they wish....until it impinges upon my life to such an extent that I am no longer allowed the freedom of my thoughts.

And that is exactly what it coming.

Shame people refuse to see it.

I guess things have been so good for so long, people think that is how it will always be -

However Islam never sleeps, they press on ....

You CAN say the same about fundamentalist Christianity....it's FUNDAMENTALISM which is the problem.

Originally posted by AbuMusaab
I am being sarcastic people. Rational conversation doesn't work with her, and she has proven herself to be a madwoman. So who cares...? Let her die in her anger.

Chapter 3 of the Quran Verse 119.

"... and when they are alone, they bite the ends of their fingers in rage against you. Say: Die in your rage!; surely Allah knows what is in their hearts."

By the way I am not that angry - I notice when you lose an argument you have to resort to calling people mad and throwing around insults. I wonder what that says about you. Of course you are just trying to deflect from the fact that you totally lost the argument.

How about some more wonderful Quran verses just for fun..

The Koran says that non-Muslims are against Allah

(25:55). Non-Muslims, according to the Koran, are not considered innocent civilians. They are "guilty" of disbelief

(45:31, 83:29) - the worst crime. The Kafir (non-believers), are on the side of the Satan and are fighting for him

(4:76-77); hypocrites (4:61); "unclean" (9:28), evil" (16:27, 2:91, 2:99); the "wrong-doers" (2:254, 5:45); the "enemy", "perverted"

(63:4); and "wicked"

(80:42, 9:125). The quran may not even consider kafirs to be completely human. It claims that the non-believers are "miscreants"

(2:99, 24:55); "the worst beasts in Allah's sight"

(8:55), "apes" and/or "pigs"

(2:65-66, 5:58-60, 7:166), and are the "worst of created beings"

(98:6). Koran verse 60:4 states that followers of Allah will hate the disbelievers forever, unless the disbelievers come to believe in Allah only.

Qur'an (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Qur'an (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Qur'an (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Qur'an (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Qur'an (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Qur'an (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Qur'an (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Qur'an (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"




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I think it is in a more gang like power structure spanning regions with a few loony leaders allowed to operate (who are essentially not impeding globalization).

Originally posted by aorAki
You CAN say the same about fundamentalist Christianity....it's FUNDAMENTALISM which is the problem.

The trouble is it isn't fundamentalist in Islam - it is just Islam, they have no separation between church and state in Islam.

People really need to wake up - listen to this woman, just listen and she will explain it to you.



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Abu, and to all I have been discussing this very issue for many years and have many post regarding Shariah Law and there Courts. No matter what anybody shows you, you will be defensive and I agree with you that you should be of your chosen religion. I will call you Muslim light as I am Christian light, meaning we do not follow all the rules of our chosen religion. As you mentioned your parents do not follow the whole praying thing so many times a day and enjoy the occasional drink and casino as do I.

I try not to post videos of others outside of your religion to make my points and only use video of your own people and those using there own words.

Undisputed facts but might be a little off since I am going by memory so please forgive me for that and make correction where I am mistaken.

One of your high representatives cant remember there name like I said I am going by memory, but did he not marry a six year old child and consummate the marriage by her age of nine?

Is it not true that a woman is only worth half of the man and in your courts they have only a half a vote, in other words it take multiply women to speak out over one mans word?

Can you not have four wives? And to divorce any one of them simple apply for to the leader of the community counsel and that one is gone and you are free to marry a different one?

Is it not true that the black man is looked upon as a slave and even has less value than a women? As our men in the services as black walks with white do you not call out (can’t remember the word) because you are shocked to see black as equal with whiteman? That’s why I find it so hard to believe that any person of color has been duped into doing any kind of suicide mission in the name of Allah. Because Allah does not except the black man.

Is it not true that Allah calls for the death of all homosexuals? It is not true that for a crime of theft the offenders hand is chopped off? I for one have no problem with that one.

After death are you not promised by Allah, 7 virgins on 7 mats to have sex with for all eternity? Course I don’t mind that one either.

My point being here in America you should have no problem recruiting all the adultery and pedophiles we have to your cause.

Shariah Law is a tribal law and for more details on anything I mentioned simple look me up. I believe you will be most informed in my thread Shariah Law verses the Constitution. With links to bylaws of many Muslim communities and direct news article interviews with there leaders again sorry for not remembering there title.

Also if I am not mistaking, as a Muslim light, would not you also be a target for the so called radicals of your religion?

Does not Allah call for death to all infidels? And is not an infidel any person whom does not believe as Allah and refuses to convert and except Allah as the one true God?

My point is I personally have no problem with any religion in America that is what our Constitution is all about freedom for all, but I do have a problem when a religion does not except the laws of the land they are practicing in. Example is not the KKK a religion or Wicca, heck I think Wicca predates Christianity or Satin Worshipers? If you believe in the bible and Christ you have to believe in Satin there is no way around it. But we don’t see them setting up communities with bylaws and requesting tax exemption or setting up there own tribal courts like your people have done in Europe over 85 so far and are trying to do here. Your courts are set up to avoid the court system of the land you occupy plain and simple.

Looking forward to your responses, thank you and would encourage you to check out my other threads.

I think it is time for some more wonderful educational "You tube" videos!!!

Oh praise be to "you tube"!!!

Moderate Islam: MODERN DAY SLAVERY, GENOCIDE Moderate Islamic Sudanese Govt



Islam: Women are slaves



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Originally posted by drmeola

Looking forward to your responses, thank you and would encourage you to check out my other threads.

I'll go one by one:

First, you should not call me Muslim light. I do not consider my parents to be Muslims until they start to pray. Right now they are not Muslims. I do not drink, I do not smoke, I never gamble, and I was a virgin until I was married.

We do not have "high representatives" but I will take your issue anyway. The hadith reports that yes, she was agreed to marriage with him (saw) by her father and the marriage was consummated at age 9 by 'thighing' (no penetration). It was not abnormal at their time, and has only become so in more recent times. My grandma gave birth to my aunt at 14. Her parents were probably even younger when she was born. As soon as people reached puberty, they were married off. And they reached puberty early. Boys went to work with their fathers at very young ages and took on many responsibilites at very young ages. The West is the one who has changed. We haven't. We marry women who have reached maturity, and they have rights on us, and we have rights on them.

It takes the testimony of two women to equal that of one man. Yes. Women tend to be more emotional than men, and so it is said, that in case one woman errs in her recollection, the other is there to remind her. You may not agree, but that's just how it is. You don't have to agree.

The rules for divorce are a bit more complicated than the way you say it. And regrettably as we have become more influenced by Western culture, divorce rates have increased. But yes, and when a woman is divorced the man is required to take care of her financially for a period of time and provide for her with dignity, although she no longer has to perform any wifely duties. And they are told to be kind to each other and not speak ill. Usually divorces are arranged between the two families if both parties wish for it, otherwise they try to work it out first between the families and if that doesn't work, then they will give consent. But we do not take it lightly as you do in the west.

As for multiple wives, the wisdom of it is so we don't have any old single women. If an old woman's husband dies, the family will find someone for her to get married to so she is protected, and provided for. We are constantly fighting for our protection from aggressors (lets agree to disagree on this point) and so many of our men die and leave widows behind. By a man taking multiple wives, he may have a younger wive who can reproduce, and he marry an older women in addition to her, to take care of her, but not for having children since she may be past child bearing age.

The thing about black people is 100% wrong and I have no idea where you got that. The Prophet (saw) said in his last sermon (before his death):

"O people, Remember that your Lord is One. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a black has no superiority over white, nor a white has any superiority over black, except by piety and good action (Taqwa). Indeed the best among you is the one with the best character (Taqwa). Listen to me. Did I convey this to you properly? People responded, Yes. O messenger of God, The Prophet then said, then each one of you who is there must convey this to everyone not present. (Excerpt from the Prophet's Last Sermon as in Baihiqi)"

The first person appointed to do the prayer call was a black man named Bilal and that was a highly honored position. There is no racism between Muslims. My wife is half-north african, and our children one day, insha'Allah, will also be. They are the same as any Muslim.

Yes, homosexuals caught in the act, or who have sufficient witnesses/evidence against them are executed. Thieves have one hand chopped off, the first time, and the other the second time. (Unless they steal food because their hungry because we consider the food as their right)

7 virgins on 7 mats? Never heard that one and I study my religion. However, there are what are called 'Houris' (hoo-ries) which are "pure mates" who have no stool, or menses. There are the higher rewards for martyrs, and some people in Heaven will have those who they love, such as their wives and family. Or maybe a combination. No specific number, except perhaps the 72 virgins for martyrs, but you realize things in Heaven are not exactly like they are on Earth, so it's not really possible for us to compare the two.

The punishment for adultery is death. Man or woman. The pedophile thing is kinda stupid because many countries on Earth (non-Muslim ones) have much younger ages of consent, some around 15, some at 13...so it's relative to cultures. Nice insult, though.

Again, I am not a Muslim light. I am the radical you are referring to. So...

Your question about Allah demanding death to all infidels is clearly false, since we have a thing called Dhimmi...which are the protected non-Muslims who live in a Shar'iah state. Muslims pay a tax called Zakat which is a religious obligation. Non-Muslims pay a tax called Jizyah (similar amount) which provides for government services. This is int he Qur'aan and has been in practice through all of Islamic history until the Caliphate was abolished in 1924.

People we are at war with is a different story. I would not randomly kill, but attacking targets to defeat the enemy is commanded. Westerners have been causing mischief in our land for centuries. The reason we fight is to discourage them. (You might disagree).

The Qur'aan cannot be understood by just anyone with a cheap translation. There is no true translation and it has to be read in Arabic to truly get it. Also, many verses have specific events tied to them which are taught in what we call tafsir. A non-Muslim cannot just pick up a Qur'aan, pick out a couple scary verses, and then make judgements on them without understand the context of revelation and what certain verses are referring to and the lessons to be gleaned for them. That would take a lot more study than listening to some non-Muslims who are terrified or who have an agenda that Islam is impeding.

We do not wish to please you. You must stop your leaders from pursuing the paths they are on. Otherwise the fighting will never end.

Women's Rights and the Sharia

According to the Sharia, despite declarations of the equality of the sexes before God, women are considered inferior to men, and have fewer rights and responsibilities.

A woman counts as half a man in giving evidence in a court of law, or in matters of inheritance.

Her position is less advantageous than a man’s with regard to marriage and divorce.

A husband has the moral and religious right and duty to beat his wives for disobedience or for perceived misconduct. A woman does not have the right to choose her husband, or her place of residence, to travel freely or have freedom in her choice of clothing. Women have little or no autonomy and are deemed to need the protection of their fathers, husbands or other male relatives throughout their lives. Any conduct that undermines the idea of male supremacy will fall foul of the Sharia.

The legal age of marriage varies from country to country, ranging from 9 in Iran to 13, 15 or 17 (in Tunisia).

This follows from the marriage of Mohammed to Aisha, a 9-year-old girl, when the Prophet was 53.

It should be noted, however, that the Prophet was allowed many actions by Allah that were denied to the other faithful, and not all Muslim scholars would accept the Aisha marriage as a precedent.

The various Sunni schools of law and that of the Shi'ites differ on a number of points important to women. In all schools, however, marriage is a contract according to which the husband should perform sexually and provide materially for the wife.

The wife must have sex whenever the husband wishes.

A man can easily divorce a woman by pronouncing that he is divorcing her three times. Polygamy with up to four wives is permitted, and in the Shi'ite sect, temporary marriage is allowed whereby a man can have access to an unlimited number of women. The practice is known as Mot'a or Sigheh. Men are also permitted concubines and female slaves.

In many Islamic countries a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a non-Muslim man whereas Muslim men are allowed to marry non-Muslim women.

With the object of protecting morality and preventing sexual anarchy, women are expected to cover their whole bodies bar their faces and their hands up to their wrists.

The Sharia is totally opposed to freedom of dress – for women. This is obviously a huge barrier to the personal development of women, not allowing them to develop sexually and as people. It is inhumane to imprison women behind veils when it is the men who according to Islamic law cannot be trusted to control themselves. On the pretext of protecting their honor women are kept locked up, isolated and unable to enjoy a full life or to develop their potential.

In order to protect their morality women can have no contact with men to whom they are not related without the presence of a male relative. The segregation of sexes in this way makes it very difficult for women to leave their houses and participate in society in any way at all. Under the Taliban many war widows were forced into starvation. Their crime? Had they prayed harder their husbands would have survived!

Many apologists for Islam, women among them, argue that women are happy in their roles in Islamic society, happy to be afforded the protection of their menfolk and to be kept away from the gaze of other men. But this of course is a false argument. If some women want to stay at home under the protection of their men they can do so. But do the apologists for Islam have the right to tell all other women, including non-Muslims, how they should behave? Women deserve to be treated as autonomous human beings and for this reason alone misogynistic Political Islam and its imposition of the Sharia should be opposed.

www.ntpi.org...

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How Widespread Is Female Genital Mutilation?

The discovery of widespread FGM in Iraqi Kurdistan suggests the assumption to be incorrect that FGM is primarily an African phenomenon with only marginal occurrence in the eastern Islamic world. If FGM is practiced at a rate of nearly 60 percent by Iraqi Kurds, then how prevalent is the practice in neighboring Syria where living conditions and cultural and religious practices are comparable?

According to Fran Hosken, late founder of the Women's International Network News and author of groundbreaking research on FGM in 1975, "There is little doubt that similar practices—excision, child marriage, and putting rock salt into the vagina of women after childbirth—exist in other parts of the Arabian Peninsula and around the Persian Gulf." That no firsthand medical records are available for Saudi Arabia or from any other countries in that region does not mean that these areas are free of FGM, only that the societies are not free enough to permit formal study of societal problems.

That diplomats and international aid workers do not detect FGM in other societies also should not suggest that the problem does not exist. After all, FGM was prevalent in Iraqi Kurdistan for years but went undetected by the World Health Organization, UNICEF, and many other international NGOs in the region. Perhaps the most important factor enabling an NGO to uncover FGM in Iraqi Kurdistan was the existence of civil society structures and popular demand for individual rights. Such conditions simply do not exist in Syria, Saudi Arabia, or even the West Bank and Gaza where local authorities fight to constrain individual freedoms rather than promote them.

www.meforum.org...

Female Genital Mutilation Rampant in Britain - Free Reconstructive Surgery Offered

The UK taxpayers will now be paying thousands of pounds to provide free surgery for women who have been the victims of female genital mutilation. Advertisements will be placed so that women who have suffered through this abomination to their sexuality can hear of and take advantage of the program.

So why has female castration, which has been illegal in Britain since 1985, now being inflicted upon women and young girls in epidemic proportions? The answer, though deceptively left out of the below/last article, is clear = the huge increase in muslim immigrants into Great Britain and the subsequent high birth rate their immigration brings. "Female genital mutilation is forced on girls as young as three. And it is happening more and more often.

Today, the South London Press can lay bare the shocking truth of its extent here within our West African communities. Five hundred girls a year are treated for mental and physical complications at the UK's only specialist clinic at Guy's Hospital in London Bridge. A further two to three operations are carried out every week to correct mutilations which have taken place without surgical instruments, anaesthetic or medical care.

But experts believe these figures are just the tip of the iceberg because a significant number of victims will never seek medical help. But the other glaring question is - whilst female genital mutilation is illegal & with the mushrooming number of cases of needed reconstructive surgery - why has no one been prosecuted for breaking British law? (Even when a $40,000 bounty is offered for the first prosecution)

Other European countries, with increased muslim populations, have also been forced to deal with the abomination of female genital mutilation (FGM). French hospitals, also funded by national welfare, are being sought by castrated women for gential reconstructive surgery.: "In recent years around 2,800 women who immigrated to France from Africa or second generation immigrants, of the age group between 18 and 50, have turned to hospitals and centres in Paris and Nantes funded by national welfare to have their genitals reconstructed, devastated by the practice of female genital mutilation (FGM).

Strangely, immigrant families often resort to inflicting this perverse on their own daughters in order to deal with difficult living conditions in a foreign country"

theopinionator.typepad.com...

Female circumcision is not allowed in Islam. That is a cultural practice in some areas that was in practice before Islam. They did not leave it even though they were supposed to. Some stopped, some didn't and as time went on, they started doing it again.

Only men are supposed to be circumcised in Islam.

Do not take the misguided actions of some people from a Muslim place, or the words of non-Muslims attributing something to Islam, as "gospel."

It is NOT ISLAMIC to circumcise a woman.

America: Break the Silence on Islam

America, with a long history of protecting religious freedom, still clings to the “hands off” practice of leaving alone any doctrine or practice billed as religion. A thorny problem is in deciding what constitutes a religion and who is to make that call. The dictionary supplies a sociologically useless definition for religion: “The expression of man’s belief in and reverence for a superhuman power recognized as the creator and governor of the universe.” Just about anyone or any group under this definition can start a religion, and they indeed do—and some do so at significant costs to others.

Muslims, under the banner of religion, are infringing blatantly on the rights of others, not only in Islamic countries, but also in much of the non-Muslim world. By their acts of dogmatic barbarity, Muslims are slowly awakening the non-Muslim democracies to the imminent threat of Islamic terrorism keen on destroying their free secular and free societies.

As more and more Muslims arrive in American land, as they reproduce with great fecundity, as they convert the disenchanted and minorities, and as petrodollar-flush Muslims and Muslim treasuries supply generous funds, Muslims gather more power to undermine a serious challenge to the American system of governance—democracy. As for democracy, the rule of the people, Muslims have no use at all. Muslims believe that Allah’s rule must govern the world in the form of Caliphate—a theocracy. Making mockery of democracy, subverting its working, and ignoring its provisions is a Muslim’s way of falsifying what he already believes to be a sinful and false system of governance invented by the infidels.

Quran 5:50 "Do they then seek the legislation of (the Days of) Ignorance? And who is better in legislating than Allah for a people who have Faith."

Quran 5:45 "And whoever rules not by what Allah has revealed, those are the wrongdoers."

Quran 12:40 "The rule is only for Allah."

Quran 18:26 "And He (Allah) allows none to share in his rule."

Quran 2:85:”Do you, then, believe in some parts of the divine writ and deny the truth of other parts? What, then, could be the reward of those among you who do such things but ignominy in the life of this world and, on the Day of Resurrection; they will be consigned to most grievous suffering? For God is not unmindful of what you do.”

Therefore there is no such thing as “radical Islam.” And those who take a “liberal” view of Islam should be forced to back up their nouveau interpretation with unabrogated scriptural facts.

More at

www.amilimani.com...

I agree with your last post. Yes, the rule is for Allah (swt) alone. Man made law is unacceptable. All law must be taken from the Qur'an and the Sunnah.

And soon, insha'Allah, that will be the case.

ALERT ... ALERT ..

THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY MUST WATCH ...

This programme was done in New Zealand and shows what goes on in Islamic communities in our lands...

It's a real eye opener, don't miss it ..

It pertains to girls being forced into marriages as young as fourteen and even if raped by the Muslim guy she is being forced to marry ...

Like I say, don't miss this ...

tvnz.co.nz...

reply to post by Trublue


So I guess all you do is troll the internet for anti-Muslim stories and use them to pump up your own xenophobia and then consider yourself someone who is learning? It is consuming you. Don't you feel the madness coming over you? You are feeding yourself a steady diet of terror.

No Muslim needs to terrorize you. You are doing it to yourself.

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Originally posted by AbuMusaab
reply to post by Trublue

 

So I guess all you do is troll the internet for anti-Muslim stories and use them to pump up your own xenophobia and then consider yourself someone who is learning? It is consuming you. Don't you feel the madness coming over you? You are feeding yourself a steady diet of terror.

No Muslim needs to terrorize you. You are doing it to yourself.

Troll the internet - hardly the information is coming out all over the place.

I am just really good and collecting it and keeping it in one place.

What you are looking at has been collected over the last wee while.

Don't worry I have plenty yet!

So what your game?

Trying to throw off any bad press that Islam might get keep the agenda hidden?

You have met your match here - I know a hell of a lot and better yet I have the video and written evidence.

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