Freemason Knights Templar meeting here in Italy 2 days ago, changed my life...

reply to post by muzzleflash

The Knights Templars worked for the Vatican. As all knightly orders did. They were commissioned by the Vatican directly.

Actually we should be so lucky. The original Grand Masters of the Poor Knights of Christ, who would later become the Knights Templar were dubbed by the Prince Abbot of the Abbey that sits atop the recessed hill of Seborga, which in earlier times, was reputed to be Mt. Olympus the home of the Gods.

Seborga, a small tiny principality, is an uninterrupted, in fact the only uninterrupted original State of the Roman Republic, Roman Empire, and the Holy Roman Empire, that has never ever been anything but a Roman State.

It is also the reputed resting place of the Holy Sepulcher and the Roman Imperial Scepter, and was granted the right in the 900’s when the Holy Roman Empire formed under Charlemagne to reject any God or Icon.

Unlike the Vatican which simply exists as a religious front for Rome and its principles and principals, Seborga is truly Roman and still ruled by a Roman Prince to this day. Its minted currency also happens to have the highest exchange rate in the world.

It is also home to the original Council of Eight, the supreme ruling body that runs the World’s Shadow Government that can only be vetoed or overruled by Caesar himself.

Like Rome itself has faked it’s death on several occasions to minimize it’s operating costs, and prevent rebellions against it, the Knights Templar have also faked their own deaths as an organization, after first setting up a Shadow Government throughout Europe, and the world’s International Banking Cartel.

The Masons do pretend to be at odds with the Vatican and Rome, but that is all just part of the ruse, to make sure whether you turn to the left or to the right, all Roads lead to Rome.

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Which is why three days from now on April 25th, 2010, right here on ATS, to celebrate the Anniversary of the Founding of the UN, and Earth Day, I shall be unveiling my quintessential and seminal work on Rome and the Roman Conspiracy in an epic thread that shall leave no stone unturned on the roads to Rome!

Be there or be square!



[edit on 22/4/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by muzzleflashI would like to know how influential this group is. Are the real movers and shakers participating in this stuff??

From the looks of his website, the International Order of Gnostic Templars is one guy and his wife, selling degrees, making videos, and offering tours of the "sacred" places in Europe.

I don't see how it could appear any different. Just because Mark Amaru Pinkham started a club, and elected himself Grand Prior doesn't mean he actually has any followers...

Originally posted by muzzleflash

It's not a mistake.

Read the flyer.

It claims ALL Initiatic societies congregate at this conference. [snip]

muzzleflash,

I would strongly recommend you read Umberto Eco's "Foucault's Pendulum". The more I read this thread, the more this sounds straight out of the plot.

Originally posted by afaik
Sorry emsed, I have no idea who you are or your kind of heart, and I really hope I don't offend, but do you realise how this sounds??

Given all the suspisions non masons have in regards to masonry, don't you thinks it's like the fox guarding the hen house thingy?

IF, and I say again in caps. IF masonry is what some believe. who's to say that you making enquiries, based on his personal details, wouldn't lead to something more nefarious, even if this was done without your knowledge or understanding???

You said you wouldn't disclose their details, but you didn't say to whom.

How else do you verify membership?

I'm simply saying that a person painted a giant fantastic lie about an organization to which I belong.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Why is it so easy to believe all the fictitious crap on here from non-masons about masonry, yet so easy to dismiss what true Freemasons say?

Would it not stir up some feeling of loyalty in you if I were to create a post saying "I am a member of AFAIK's family. I found out his family does horrible things to people, has a secret agenda, and worships Satan."?

Would you not want to find out who I am? Why I'm saying terrible things about your family?

If Vinny were truly a Mason he would welcome the opportunity to speak to me.

And, whether you realize it or not, if Vinny were a Mason I would take every single word he said as fact and urgently begin investigating it myself.

I hope this helps.

I know it can be hard to understand but one of the tenets that we live by is being able to recognize each other at any time or place, and lend assistance if we are able.

If Vinny were truly a Mason then this story would concern me very deeply.

I cannot see how what the OP says is possible.

If you are not initiated to a certain degree you cannot enter a lodge being held in that degree. It doesn't happen.

...and before we start saying Freemasons are all lovey-dovey with the Pope, let us remember that we are technically still excommunicated under a Papal Bull from the 1300s.

And, lest we forget, the Knights Templar were roasted alive, tortured and crucified by King Philip at the behest of the Pope because they would not break their sacred vows.

Even living in our enlightened politically-correct lovey dovey society of today I know catholic Freemasons who are afraid that the church will find out about them and excommunicate them.

reply to post by Fitzgibbon

This is how you define ferocious? Please! Pointing out obvious inconsistencies and impossibilities hardly qualifies as "ferocious" is the normal person's lexicon.

Care to define normal for us too?

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Can anyone get access to this website??

wape.okghg.org/

My access is restricted and I cannot view it.

It is the home page for the "World Alliance for Planetary Enlightenment".

I would LOVE to see what is on this webpage.

But alas, restricted.

Anyone else have access and can either help me break in or make screenshots of the pages and post links to those screenshots???

Thanks.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Fitzgibbon

 

This is how you define ferocious? Please! Pointing out obvious inconsistencies and impossibilities hardly qualifies as "ferocious" is the normal person's lexicon.

Care to define normal for us too?

You know...normal, average, every-day, typical, run of the mill, usual, majority.....that's how most people define normal. Do you define it differently?

Messenger's live very difficult lives here on Earth! I recommend that you try not to spend your time here trying to prove to blind people.

Know that your message has been received by the right people who seek the information. Right or wrong..it doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is what it triggers.

I had mysteriously type knight templar in google yesterday morning for no apparent reason. So I believe, I was meant to see your message. There are others who are meant to see it as well.

But do yourself a favor. Ignore people who demand proof, they only hold you back. Mice in a maze with no reward and no ending.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Here's the cached link...

World Alliance for Planetary Enlightenment

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Care to define normal for us too?

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Well, judging by his jewel and apron, he's the tiler of his lodge. Yeah. That old guy is the one guarding the door against anyone who's not allowed to enter. Beware his fierce ninja skills.

And here's the "Holy Grail" site mentioned in that link...

Guardians of the Holy Grail

reply to post by muzzleflash


Here is a Cached Version

I can't get access eother.

reply to post by Saurus


Oh thank you so much!

Now it's time to dive in!

That was very fast

First statements on that page.

"We are an affiliation of organizations known popularly as the Knights Templar, the Freemasons, the Rosicrucians, etc., which were formed before, during, and after the Crusades. For the past two thousand years we have served as guardians of the ancient path of alchemy that leads to human evolution and inner, divine wisdom or gnosis."

So they are claiming to be the Umbrella that covers all of these organizations essentially.

Time to find some facts. I wonder what the veracity of all of this is???

And why did they make a website out in the open? (Well it was not really in the open I was restricted). But I still got in.


Edit to add another Gem.
"Our ultimate goal is to unite all of humanity into a one-world family. But to accomplish this, the boundaries that separate us must be dissolved."

They sure have BIG goals eh?

[edit on 22-4-2010 by muzzleflash]

Originally posted by RealityisanIllusion
What a load of crap!!!! Dude, when you graduate grade school and reach a level where correct spelling and grammar are a requirement of daily life, try this little BS trick again. There is nothing more telling of a fake than bad grammar and terrible spelling. Let's see, you are a jewelry dealer on a trip from Chicago to Italy, can't spell, you are alledgedly asked to be an interpreter for "diplomats", ha ha (I didn't see anything about a background check mentioned), and I'm sure you speak as well as you type. Considering all of this, and if you take my advice, I'll hear from you again in about 6 years.

It's kind of ironic that you talked about bad grammar and spelling and then you go and misspell allegedly....

Jaden

reply to post by Fitzgibbon

You know...normal, average, every-day, typical, run of the mill, usual, majority.....that's how most people define normal. Do you define it differently?

Ah entreaties to the herd mentality, those warm fuzzy feelings of communal validation and absolution by peers, that makes me all tingly inside!

That typically stiffening and indoctrinated perception of reality meant to create a homogenous and predictable easy to manipulate mass!

Truth be known I prefer my dearly departed maternal grandmother’s definition on this subject

“The whole world is queer but me and thee, and sometimes I wonder about thee”

Normal as you would define it is simply one's acceptance of what your own perceptions for them, and noticed how I said them, and not you, would be.

Originally posted by JoshNorton
I don't see how it could appear any different. Just because Mark Amaru Pinkham started a club, and elected himself Grand Prior doesn't mean he actually has any followers...

Followup... Mark Amaru Pinkham isn't JUST the Gnostic Templars, he's also the Khemit School of Ancient Mysticism and a group called the Serpents of Wisdom. All falling under an umbrella group called "Heartlight Fellowship."

Funnily enough, you can't google "Heartlight Fellowship" without almost all the hits coming back with the phrase "Checks must be made payable to..." preceding it.

What's the Knights Guardian of the Holy Grail? Can't access that page.

Second line.

reply to post by JoshNorton


So are you saying this group is just a nobody nothing group for wanna-bes?

You kind of sound like you are claiming it is little more than a religious con.

Although I agree it is a religious con; I am not sure about their influence yet. There is a possibility this may be the real deal here.

We just don't know enough about it yet to say for sure.

That is why I am going to continue reading and looking for connections.

It does sound very "NWO-like" for sure. One world this and that talk....